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CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:37 pm

Anyone know how Continental's daily EWR-GVA route performs? Continental is the only US airline flying to Geneva, and the only US carrier to serve both Geneva and Zurich. The route was introduced in March of 2004 (or, 2003, but I think it was '04) and has consistently been flown with the 767-200ER.

I was just curious as to how it performs? It competes with the LX flight from JFK, which is operated with Airbus A330-200's.
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Thread starter):
The route was introduced in March of 2004 (or, 2003, but I think it was '04) and has consistently been flown with the 767-200ER.

March 5th, 2003.

CO does very well on the EWR-Geneva and EWR-Zurich flights because of the large pharmaceutical traffic between New Jersey and Switzerland. New Jersey is the center for the pharmaceutical industry, based in New Jersey are..

Merck (Rahway, Whitehouse Station) , phizer (Basking Ridge) , Roche (Nutley), Bristol Meyers Squibb (Princeton) , Johnson & Johnson (New Brunswick, Novartis (East Hanover) etc..

CO has served Zurich since 1999, and Geneva from 2003. Eventually either CO or another operator is going to launch EWR-Basel a route previously operated by Swiss Air with either an A310 or A330 nonstop. Basel and New Jersey have strong pharmaceutical Industry ties, with large Corporations such as Novartis demanding service between the two markets.
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:50 pm

Maybe DL or PrivatAir will look into these markets
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
Eventually either CO or another operator is going to launch EWR-Basel

It has been noted here on a.net a few times that CO was seriously looking into starting EWR-BSL with a 752, but there was such high demand for J seats that they were even considering expanding to 24 BF seats instead of the typical 16 on a 752. They couldn't go to a 762 due to a lack of widebody aircraft, but I guess that they decided that it would be too much of a scheduling headache to have three types of 752 configurations floating around the CO system. As it currently stands, having a domestic type with 24 F and an int'l type with 16 BF already creates enough headaches with aircraft swaps and class downgrades.
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 2):
Maybe DL or PrivatAir will look into these markets

The route would have to be from EWR since all the pharmaceuticals are in New Jersey, Privatair is possible.

DL, not a chance.
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
based in New Jersey are..

Merck (Rahway, Whitehouse Station) , phizer (Basking Ridge) , Roche (Nutley), Bristol Meyers Squibb (Princeton) , Johnson & Johnson (New Brunswick, Novartis (East Hanover) etc..

Actually.... Pfizer and BMS are both based in Manhattan, and Roche and Novartis are both based in Basel, Switzerland. Out of those above, only JnJ and Merck actually have their headquarters in NJ.

That being said...it's pretty much a moot point since all the facilities above do exist, they're just not headquarters. And since Novartis and Roche have HQ in Switzerland and facilities in NJ -- that pretty much defends the route.

In fact, I've heard someone has done Basel-EWR before literally just for the pharma companies...maybe even an all J-class configuration. Anyone know anything about that?
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:34 pm

I flew the GVA - EWR route in February of 2005 and I was very surprised to see that the flight was full in both directions.

The seats were more comfortable than on LX. The food however was unedible; at least on LX the bread, cheese and mini titsy witsy bitsy sized cakes are edible. On the return we fortunately bought our own sandwiches.

The LX crews are much friendlier, though CO were OK.

From GVA the flight leaves very early at 9.30 am compared to LX at Noon.

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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:38 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
phizer (Basking Ridge) ,

I live in Basking Ridge and Phizer is not based there. However, AT&T used to headquarter there. Verizon now has a somewhat large operation there. But you're absolutely right, NJ does have a large amount of pharmacutical business based all around the state.

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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:42 pm

About the only thing I remember for the EWR-ZRH and GVA flights is the first ttrans-atlantic crossing CO did with the 762 was to ZRH in 2001, replacing a DC-10.
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Thread starter):
Continental is the only US airline flying to Geneva, and the only US carrier to serve both Geneva and Zurich. The route was introduced in March of 2004 (or, 2003, but I think it was '04) and has consistently been flown with the 767-200ER.

EWR-GVA was flown at least once with a 752 as well.

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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:57 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
EWR-GVA was flown at least once with a 752 as well.

I don't think that the 752 was ever a scheduled aircraft on the route. I would almost guarantee that those pics were from an unscheduled aircraft swap.
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:49 pm

oh yes a MX problem on the 762 would have caused a swap to a 752
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:59 pm

There are so many rumours about the route BSL-EWR v v. but nothing has happend so far. Does anyone know if it will ever come?
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
EWR-GVA was flown at least once with a 752 as well.

A 764 was used a couple of times, as well.


Regarding the competition with the daily LX GVA-JFK, I heard that LX is more used for O&D traffic and CO for transit at EWR. Maybe somebody could confirm it.
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting Dartland (Reply 5):
Actually.... Pfizer and BMS are both based in Manhattan, and Roche and Novartis are both based in Basel, Switzerland. Out of those above, only JnJ and Merck actually have their headquarters in NJ.

Novartis has their North American headquarters in New Jersey, as does Roche which is why they need flights to Basel from EWR. Pfizer's Corporate offices might be in Manhattan but the majority of their workforce is in New Jersey.
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:11 pm

well larry boy has stated that we would like to announce 1 more international city...............so we will have to wait and see..............
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:59 pm

A333X when I took CO to EWR the person sitting next to me was going on to Cancun and another person on to somewhere in the US. So yes it seems they benefit a lot from their connections.

On LX I think the majority is local point to point traffic. Very few head for the transit desk. However when I took LX a few were connecting to Tel Aviv on El Al which has a code share with LX, Marseille and the person next to me to Warsaw (LOT).
 
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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:11 am

I flew ZRH-EWR a few days ago (762). Judging from the luggage tags at baggage claim, I could see many were actually ending in NYC (maybe around 60%). Those who were connecting seemed to be connecting to the bigger cities such as ORD/MDW, BOS, and DCA as well as SFO/LAX. Myself, I was connecting to FLL. I suspect GVA is much the same thing. Although I doubt ZRH has ever been downgraded to a 752, several times it has been upgraded to a 764.

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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 16):
when I took CO to EWR the person sitting next to me was going on to Cancun and another person on to somewhere in the US. So yes it seems they benefit a lot from their connections.

Yes. A colleague of mine used to take LX for the GVA-JFK and then US to CLT but switched for CO since they were cheaper.

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RE: CO EWR-GVA

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting N864DA (Reply 17):
Although I doubt ZRH has ever been downgraded to a 752,

The 752 has been used on ZRH-EWR a few times, though mostly as an equipment sub.

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