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Chinese Govt. And TPE

Sun May 28, 2000 1:45 pm

What is the deal with TPE and HKG ... i heard something a while back about not being able to serve both cities with one airline ... example:
QANTAS and their Asian subsidiary that served TPE
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RE: Chinese Govt. And TPE

Sun May 28, 2000 1:57 pm

With the politics involved between other Countries and China, the Governments of most countries that had a "designated Flag Carrier" (i.e. - a pseudo instrument of a country by default) found that the Government of China would be offended if their flag carrier served both mainland China and Taiwan. As a result, most designated flag carriers came up with spin offs to appease the Politicians on both sides. In QF's case, they painted up 2 of their fleet in Australia Asia colours, which effectively for all intents and purposes became a seperate airline within an airline, even though nothing else had really changed apart from the paint job. Again in QF's case, once Ansett was allowed to start International operations QF lost their designated flag carrier status due to two Oz carriers now flying International routes, so the Australia Asia brand was killed off and the aircraft reverted back to normal QF livery.
Some countries (USA, Canada for example) had no designated flag carrier so none of their airlines were affected.
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RE: Chinese Govt. And TPE

Sun May 28, 2000 2:03 pm

so by that ... DL for instance could fly to TPE and HKG without a hitch ... but QF could not because they were the "flag carrier" if i am taking you correctly, right?
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RE: Chinese Govt. And TPE

Sun May 28, 2000 2:06 pm

Hong Kong is being administered under it's one country, two system policy.

QANTAS formed Australia Asia Airlines to operate exclusively to TPE from BNE and SYD. After a couple of years operating this route, they merged AAA into the parent company, as half of the flights were being operated with QF aircraft anyway. Australia has a good relationship with mainland China, and as such no longer felt the need to pander to the Chinese government. It is amazing that European airlines such as BA, SR, KL, AF still operate into TPE under *subsidiary* companies.

The main route where what you mentioned isn't the case is into/out of Japan. Japan Air Lines formed Japan Asia Airways to operate flights into Taipei and Kaohsiung, so that the parent airline could continue flying into mainland China. These flights continue today.

The Chinese government demanded of Japan, that only their aircraft would be allowed to operate into Narita Airport, thereby leaving China Airlines operating into Haneda (and still the only foreign carrier operating into HND). CI is on a bonus, as congestion takes it toll at NRT, they are able to increase their services at demand requires, without having the problems of slots.

Also under the political system I mentioned above, flights continue between HKG and TPE/KHH. The mainland Chinese government really could not afford to stop these flights, as the Taiwanese have billions of dollars of investments on the mainland, and the money makes it way thru Hong Kong. The same goes for any other country whos airlines serve both mainland China and Taiwan.
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Another Q

Sun May 28, 2000 2:16 pm

what about haneda ... int'l airlines can fly in their right? because it was my understanding that NRT was the international airport and HND was the domestic.
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