KarlB737
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RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:34 am

Courtesy: The Parkersburg News

RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

http://www.newsandsentinel.com/news/...1202006_new02_regionsair011106.asp
 
higney85
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:46 am

Yea Regions is based out of an airport just a few miles from me. I have alot of fellow instructors who work for them. They fly Jetstream 32's and Just purchased some sabb 340's and are looking to expand.
 
masseybrown
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:00 am

In another pending case, Regions has submitted the lowest cost proposal for EAS subsidized service from Jamestown, NY, and Bradford, PA, to Cleveland, switching the service from Pittsburgh.

DAL's reluctance to support a Cincinnati service makes me think that CVG service patterns are still under review.
 
Tornado82
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:07 am

C'mon Morgantown, agree! My prayers have been answered. Fly to MGW from ABE, on my favorite airline in my favorite plane for half the trip, and get OnePass miles!! That made my otherwise gloomy day!  Big grin
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:46 am

hmm..Maybe Cle is getting bigger after all, this is todays news about the Continental baggage room expansion!

BMU Expansion Project: Continental, the TSA and the City of Cleveland have been working together to get approved our plan to expand the existing BMU. We have now received approval to proceed and will in fact be doing so this coming Monday, January 16, 2006. When complete, Continental will regain approximately 90% of the makeup belt area currently occupied by the TSA not to mention the fact that we will have a much improved inline baggage screening system/process. This means all bags will be pre-screened prior to being inducted onto our main makeup belt. This fact alone will go along way towards maintaining the integrity of our scheduled departures and our ability to sort and deliver locally check bags out to the departing aircraft. Construction for the expanded BMU will begin this Monday and will continue thru until approximately November 2006. The first weeks of the construction project will entail prepping the site for the building of the exterior shell. The exterior shell itself has an anticipated completion date of April 2006. The first order of business will be to move the current perimeter fence, demo the existing pavement, rerouting the BMU driveway entrances and the staging of the construction equipment and materials. The first change to the way we operate, specifically how we enter the BMU, will not take place until the few first days in February. During this initial phase of construction the TSA and Continental will work together to ensure a seamless transition. Everyone is asked to recognize the need to pay closer attention when traveling through or near the construction area and anyone seeing a potential unsafe area or act to get a member of the Leadership team involved immediately. Working Together Works!
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optionscle
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:59 am

Great news that the baggage expansion is taking place! Another piece of that project was at one point planned to be an expansion of the meet and greet area outside of C security. Is this still the goal?
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:04 am

What they need to do is take down the glass wall at the end of the check in area and extend the outside-security concourse into there with maybe some restaurants/shops. Heck you could even add check-in desks without changing much around.
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optionscle
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 6):
What they need to do is take down the glass wall at the end of the check in area and extend the outside-security concourse into there with maybe some restaurants/shops. Heck you could even add check-in desks without changing much around.

We're talking about the same thing here. I don't believe there were ever supposed to be shops there but the terminal exit was supposed to be built out over the TSA expansion.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 6):
What they need to do is take down the glass wall at the end of the check in area and extend the outside-security concourse into there with maybe some restaurants/shops. Heck you could even add check-in desks without changing much around.

I think thats exactly what the plan is, because the baggage room is underneath that area and that is being expanded.
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 8):
think thats exactly what the plan is, because the baggage room is underneath that area and that is being expanded.

Hmm... should be interesting. I'll hafta drive under there sometime when I have a break and see how things are going.
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Tornado82
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:18 am

The irony about this codeshare is that Commutair, who already is a CO connection carrier, didn't apply for this EAS contract with their smaller B1900's, that they already overfly MGW/CKB/PKB's general area with on their way to CRW.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:57 pm

Commutair tried to get JHW and BFD about a year ago. They were higher cost than Air Midwest or Colgan, not just because the CLE routes were slightly longer but on every other metric as well. Regions, on the other hand, is winning the JHW/BFD route outright on the lowest cost basis.

If CO goes ahead with a codeshare (and KarlB737's news citation makes that sound quite possible), they could be a good addition to CO's stable. From a passenger viewpoint, are Jetstreams any less comfortable than the Beeches?

Since Commutair last tried for EAS routes, they have reorganized quite a bit, but I don't know what that did to their costs. They did win Boston-Rutland, I believe; but they may have concluded they could not offer a competitive proposal on the CLE routes.

On the baggage topic, it's hard to believe CO could get much better in CLE. Unless I arrive at a very low-numbered C gate, my bags consistently beat me to the carousel.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 11):
From a passenger viewpoint, are Jetstreams any less comfortable than the Beeches?

RegionsAir is buying Saab 340A's for this service, not the old Junkstreams. At least that was part of their proposal, and digging around their website it seems they're already making Saab manuals.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:47 pm

Bradford civic parties have, at last (hope they had a nice Christmas), weighed in with their preference: Colgan to Dulles, which costs about a million more in subsidy than Regions to Cleveland. Sen. Spector has written a letter in support, which arrived at the DOT before Bradford's preference.  Smile
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):
which costs about a million more in subsidy than Regions to Cleveland

Considering its OUR taxmoney going to this... the heck with that town of a population of like 7000, they go where it makes the most economical sense for the Federal Government, not where they want to go. If they don't like CLE, back to PIT they go.

It's ironic now that the formerly-maligned for picking Regions without a codeshare West Virginians are saving face and looking smarter than BFD.

If Colgan's (non EAS) ops @ ABE are any indication... they'll have a 60% on time rate, and about a 95% controllable completion rate as well... and occassionally they'll have 2 birds at a time dead on the ground in BFD awaiting mx... although whos to say Regions would be any better. I somehow think though that with the rules of EAS... Colgan might pick their non-EAS flights like ABE to cancel when some mx bugs creep up, because it costs them less money.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:37 am

yes they are getting the sabbs, I have some buddies who just got hired to fly them, i think training began this week as a matter of fact...only 8 month upgrade time and 12K a year FO and 20K a year capt...rough, but the costs are low for the carrier
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Higney85 (Reply 15):
and 12K a year FO and 20K a year capt...rough,

Rough... you can say that again. Dear God. $12k/yr is under the poverty level.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:59 am

Is the $20/12K some sort of probationary salary, such as during training or transition?
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:36 am

Anybody and especially the folks in Bradford who think the DOT will select Colgan to Dulles should read the opinion in this case in which Cedar City, Utah, preferred Sky West at a high cost over Mesa, the low bidder.

The low bidder won.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=383254&docketid=16395

Apart from the issue of carrier selection, CAL does seem to be playing hard-to-get on the subject of a codeshare.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 11):
are Jetstreams any less comfortable than the Beeches?

YES YES YES YES! After an hopur or so, the 1900 starts to get kind of small, but the J32 from the moment the engines start is a full-on assault on the senses! The noise, vibration and squirrely ride of the J-ball is legendary!
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masseybrown
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:28 am

The DOT has decided to establish a pilot program to "force" codeshares in support of EAS cities.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf95/384018_web.pdf

If you don't want to read all the discussion, the last paragraph has the operative language. Maybe Regions and Continental can be the first participants.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:23 pm

 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:10 am

CO has announced internally that a codeshare agreement with Regions has been struck and that service to the West Virginia points will begin in May.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:19 am

Wow... CRW will have B1900s to CLE and those other cities will have Saabs.. hmmm. Thats not cool.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 23):


Wow... CRW will have B1900s to CLE and those other cities will have Saabs.. hmmm. Thats not cool.

Size/seats for your city aside, my personal preference is a Beech, and like I often said I wish Commutair would have bid on this EAS from the get-go, they'd already be operating it.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 10):
The irony about this codeshare is that Commutair, who already is a CO connection carrier, didn't apply for this EAS contract with their smaller B1900's, that they already overfly MGW/CKB/PKB's general area with on their way to CRW.

Am I the only one here who has no intentions of flying a CommutAir-operated flight again? Every CommutAir operated flight I've been on has been delayed by at least 90 minutes (and for a one hour flight, I consider that impressive!)... quicker, easier, and less expensive to just drive it if I can't rely on them to operate flights on-time.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 11):
On the baggage topic, it's hard to believe CO could get much better in CLE. Unless I arrive at a very low-numbered C gate, my bags consistently beat me to the carousel.

I don't know that I'm regularly that lucky, but I will agree that of all of the airports I fly into and out of CLE probably has one of the quicker "feet on ground" to "bags out the door" times for a large(r) airport. ONT is probably the worst and LAX is either really fast or really slow depending on factors that can't be predicted.

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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 25):
Am I the only one here who has no intentions of flying a CommutAir-operated flight again? Every CommutAir operated flight I've been on has been delayed by at least 90 minutes (and for a one hour flight, I consider that impressive!)... quicker, easier, and less expensive to just drive it if I can't rely on them to operate flights on-time.

where do you fly from? They seem to be pretty on time at Yeager.
 
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 26):
where do you fly from? They seem to be pretty on time at Yeager.

CLE to points not Cleveland [most recent example is Fort Wayne, IN / FWA]... I haven't really flown them enough to speak authoritatively but with 100% of flown flights being 90+ minutes delayed, I'm not real eager to try them again. Between the delays and how ineffectively the delays were communicated (on the last outbound the flight was showing "On Time" until about 10 minutes after scheduled departure, when it simply disappeared from the boards) they've proved to be more irritation than it's worth.
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RE: RegionsAir May Fly To Cleveland

Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 25):

Am I the only one here who has no intentions of flying a CommutAir-operated flight again? Every CommutAir operated flight I've been on has been delayed by at least 90 minutes (and for a one hour flight, I consider that impressive!)... quicker, easier, and less expensive to just drive it if I can't rely on them to operate flights on-time.



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 27):

CLE to points not Cleveland [most recent example is Fort Wayne, IN / FWA]... I haven't really flown them enough to speak authoritatively but with 100% of flown flights being 90+ minutes delayed, I'm not real eager to try them again.

I've never had problems with Commutair, specifically to FWA and SBN, beyond wx delays for TSRA+ over the terminal... but that's not Commutair's fault and I'd rather not be in the B1900 that challenges a TSRA+  Smile