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2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:35 pm

Having read a flight review complaining about claustrophobic 2-5-2 seating layout in economy, and having once had the misfortune myself to be seated in the middle of a row of five on a long haul flight, I wonder why airlines persist in using this layout instead of 3-3-3. What advantages does 2-5-2 offer?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:38 pm

What size aircraft would that be?
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:45 pm

The review mentions a 777, in my case, it was an MD11 (sometime ago).
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:48 pm

Advantage: If seated in a window seat, only one seat/person to hop over.

I have only once sat in the dreaded middle 2-5-2. A less than one hour hop between HND-ITM on a JAS 777 a few years ago.

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 1):
What size aircraft would that be?

Most likely a/c types are 777s, MD-11s, DC-10s, and L-1011s.
I believe Airbus widebodies can be fitted to nine-abreast like in high-density config but not sure if they can be 2-5-2 and/or 3-3-3.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:07 pm

UAs domestic B772 have 2-5-2 seating.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:10 pm

The idea of 2-5-2 is that now only 1 in 9 seats has two seats between them and the aisle, and you can put big families in the fiver.
3-3-3 has two out of 9 with two seats between them and the aisle, but everyone here will agree these two are more then compensated by their window and probably willing to give up their ease to move around for that.
A compromise is to have 2-4-3 configuration, I believe Swissair MD-11s had these, but that makes the aircraft weight unbalanced and also people might not like the a symetric look.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:45 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
A compromise is to have 2-4-3 configuration, I believe Swissair MD-11s had these, but that makes the aircraft weight unbalanced and also people might not like the a symmetric look.

I used to enjoy this layout on NZ's DC-10-30's back in the late 70's to mid 80's from AKL-HNL-LAX, AKL-NAN-PPT and AKL-PPT-LAX with my three siblings.

Also, from experience, a great thing about the 5 central seats is that on a quiet longhaul, they make for a great bed.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting EconoBoy (Thread starter):
What advantages does 2-5-2 offer?

Less middle seats - the bane of every Y traveler. That simple.

3-3-3 puts a three middle seats in every row. 2-5-2 puts on middle seat in every row. It's that simple.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:13 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
3-3-3 puts a three middle seats in every row. 2-5-2 puts on middle seat in every row. It's that simple.

This is only playing with semantics, you don't count the 2nd and 4th seat of the centre block as 'middle seat' just because it technically isn't, but everyone will agree it is at least as miserable seat then the middle seat of the window block, the 2-5-2 brings at least as many undesirable seats as 3-3-3.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:30 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
you don't count the 2nd and 4th seat of the centre block

Nope - but Seat #3 of the center block is a middle seat.

Not semantics . . . . 2-5-2 has 2/3rds less center seats. Seat #3 in the center of the 5 seat center block is the center seat. . . . the 2 and 2 side blocks have no centers.

3-3-3 has a center seat in each block . . . therefore 3 center seats in each row. . . .

It's not semantics - it's simple math.

Look at this CO 777 Y Cabin. Count the number of center seats in this 3-3-3 config. There are 76.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Con...nental_Airlines_Boeing_777-200.php

Look at this UA 777 Y Cabin. Count the number of center seats in this 2-5-2 config. There are 32 .

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...ited_Airlines_Boeing_777-200_D.php

Look at this DL 777 Y Cabin. Count the number of center seats in this 3-3-3 config. There are 70.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Del...elta_Airlines_Boeing_777-200_B.php
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:42 pm

I agree with MEA-707. Saying the 2nd and 4th seats in the middle aren't "middle" seats is a bit silly really. If I'm in the second or fourth seat, then there is one person on one side and three people on the other. That sounds pretty "middle" to me. Give me 3-3-3 any day!!!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 10):
Saying the 2nd and 4th seats in the middle aren't "middle" seats is a bit silly really

I don't know where you got the idea I said that.

Let me see if I can do a simple graphic here:

XX will indicate a seat. A will indicate an Aisle. CS will indicate a CENTER SEAT

2-5-2 Seat Rows:

XX XX A XX XX CS XX XX A XX XX

3-3-3 Seat Rows:

XX CS XX A XX CS XX A XX CS XX

Now which one do you think has more Center Seats?

2-5-2 or 3-3-3?
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:04 pm

One advantage is ease for the passenger.

A fair bit of travelling is done by people travelling in pairs. Couples travelling together can take the two seats and have some relative privacy. For a couple on a full longhaul flight, not having that third seat (and accompanying stranger) is nice!

Also MD-80/DC-9 family with the 2-3 seating, although not used for longhaul trips.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
2-5-2 Seat Rows:

XX XX A XX XX CS XX XX A XX XX

3-3-3 Seat Rows:

XX CS XX A XX CS XX A XX CS XX

Now which one do you think has more Center Seats?

2-5-2 or 3-3-3?

That depends on how you interpret center. Center as a geometrical center or center as a seat with a seat next to you left and right. The correct one in this case is the latter, as the discomfort of a center seat applies to both #2, #3 and #4, even though only #3 is the geometrical center. That leaves 3 seats with "center properties", thus as bad as 3-3-3, except that you now have one seat without windows with 2 seats to the aisle.

The geometrical definition is irrelevant in this case, as it doesn't express anything about comfort.

The result of the 2-5-2 is that some people are made better off (windows seats and the seat next to), while other are made worse off. The idea could be that people who care when they order the ticket, also do the effort of reserving a seat making them better off (typically FF's). Those that don't, would to a higher degree tend to be indifferent, or closer to indifferent.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
A compromise is to have 2-4-3 configuration, I believe Swissair MD-11s had these, but that makes the aircraft weight unbalanced and also people might not like the a symetric look.

AY and KL still have this configuration on their MD-11's. This is really the best distribution, as it makes the 2 seat row better of, without making anyone else worse off, as the 2 middle seats in the 4 seat row still only have one seat to the aisle. It is also easier to distribute groups easier when row width are different.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:34 pm

I prefer a 3-3-3 config over a 2-5-2.

I can't really say why, I just do.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:52 pm

Much as I agree that being in the "middle" (which is only meaningfully defined as having a passenger to either side, whether you're in the geometric centre of the cabin or not!) is no fun and much as having two passengers to either side is doubly as unpleasant, the plus side of 2-5-2 is that those who always get windows (which, let's face it, we all do) is that you only have one stranger between you and the aisle. I've flown an MAS 777 in Economy with 2-5-2 and a KLM 777 in Economy with 3-3-3 and, with a window seat, I'd probably prefer the former.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:50 pm

Apparently the 2 5 2 configuration was preferred for UA 777s after consultation with pax and crew (this based only on a conversation with crew members). True, fewer seats where you have to climb over 2 people to get to the aisle (rather than calling them middle seats, i opt for this). And if the plane is not fully full necessitating the use of the dreaded center seat in the 5 seat row, no pax would be more than 1 seat away from the aisle.
That said, a friend flew on UA without requesting a seat and was automatically given the center seat of the 5 for a 12 hour flight (SFO to europe)...luckily the plane was not full and she actually got the whole row to herself and had the best flight ! but you would think with the logic of the configuration that they would assign those seats LAST !!!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:05 pm

Advantage of 3-3-3 seating:
During light loads, couples sitting together can share a set of three seats.

Disadvantage of 3-3-3 seating:
More likely to have to climb over 2 people to get to the aisle.

Advantage of 2-5-2 seating:
Less likely to have to climb over 2 people to get to the aisle.

Disadvantage of 2-5-2 seating:
Hmmm... can't really think of one. The middle seat of the five is just as inconvenient as a window seat in a 3-3-3 pattern.

Of course, it is just a matter of preferences, isn't it?
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:57 pm

I guess it really is a question of preferences.

But let me tell you, being "stuck" between two drunk, smelly, snoring 6'6 tall football hooligans in the middle seat of a UA 777 IAD-AMS flight counts as my absolute worst flight ever. I hate 2-5-2! I'll never fly this configuration again and I usually fly at least 50K miles every year.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:02 am

It is done because many passengers travelling together as a couple enjoy having a bit more privacy and being a bit more secluded by sitting by themselves together in a 2-5-2 layout by the window than having a third person sitting next to them, as in a 3-3-3 layout. In addition, while it would be horrible to be sitting in the dreaded middle seat with a pairs of couples on either side, the instance of this happening is fairly rair. Often, the middle seats on lighter load flights are not even filled, and the vast majority of the time, when they are filled, it is with larger groups or families (i.e., the middle 5 seats filled with a family of 3, couple of 2, or a family of 4, and a single person). I am a huge fan of 2-5-2!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:07 am

I flew US Air to Rome in an A330 and it was 2-5-2.
Luckily my girlfriend and I were together on the side.

She told me a story that she once was in the middle seat in a 7-seat wide section. I asked her, "are you sure?" and she was adament. It was when she flew to Hawaii around 10 years ago. I assumed it was a 747.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting Gogodude (Reply 20):
She told me a story that she once was in the middle seat in a 7-seat wide section. I asked her, "are you sure?" and she was adament. It was when she flew to Hawaii around 10 years ago. I assumed it was a 747.

Really? I assume she's getting a bit confused. I cannot imagine ANY plane being configured - or being allowed to be configured - with a block of seats 7-wide!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting PM (Reply 21):
Really? I assume she's getting a bit confused. I cannot imagine ANY plane being configured - or being allowed to be configured - with a block of seats 7-wide!

I am with you, buddy. I find it hard to believe. I still ask her sometimes and she still swears by it. But she was still a kid and a girl that knew nothing about airplanes. Things seem bigger and more annoying when you are a little kid trying not to bother the big people you have to step over to go to the bathroom!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Gogodude (Reply 20):
I flew US Air to Rome in an A330 and it was 2-5-2.

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure? The USAir website shows a 2-4-2 configuration. I'm told that some charter airlines squeeze 3-3-3 into A330s (sounds awful) but I can't imagine that a legacy carrier would do so.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:04 am

EK considers a legacy carrier and their a/c 777 and 340-500 are 3x4x3.
I wonder what seat layout AC will have for their new 777-200LR and 777-300ER?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Gogodude (Reply 20):
She told me a story that she once was in the middle seat in a 7-seat wide section. I asked her, "are you sure?" and she was adament. It was when she flew to Hawaii around 10 years ago. I assumed it was a 747.

Well, she exaggerates a bit. That configuration is not allowed. According to certification rules (emergency wise) there can be no more than 2 seats to the closest aisle, outruling more than a 2-6-2 on a 747, which I have indeed never heard off.


I came to think of another advantage of 2-5-2. It is more efficient for the crew, as they have one seat less in every row where they have to stretch meals etc. over more than one seat, which I believe can be challenging for your back on a 10+ hour flight.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 24):
EK considers a legacy carrier and their a/c 777 and 340-500 are 3x4x3.

No. They indeed have 3-4-3 in 777s but certainly not in their A340-500s. They're 2-4-2 in Economy.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Not semantics . . . . 2-5-2 has 2/3rds less center seats. Seat #3 in the center of the 5 seat center block is the center seat. . . . the 2 and 2 side blocks have no centers.

3-3-3 has a center seat in each block . . . therefore 3 center seats in each row. . . .

It's not semantics - it's simple math.

5: center seat have 2 pax at each side.
3: center seat have only 1 pax at each side.

I choose the 3-3-3 configuration.

For me it's not simple math, it's simple logic.


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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:53 am

I hate the 2-5-2 more than anything else. It has just as many "middle" seats (3/9) as a 3-3-3 except on a 3-3-3 I can get the window and still sit next to my wife and son  Smile

I agree that a 2-5-2 is a better config for singles or couples.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
3-3-3 has two out of 9 with two seats between them and the aisle, but everyone here will agree these two are more then compensated by their window and probably willing to give up their ease to move around for that.

I fully agree. I'd rather be in the window seats on a 3-3-3, than in the middle of a 2-5-2.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Now which one do you think has more Center Seats?

I'd count also seats 4 and 6, since if you sit there you have one person before the aisle on one side, and 3 people on the other. That's more than what you have in the center seat of the 3-3-3. I'd say that both have the same number of center seats, but the fifth seat on the 2-5-2 configuration is horrible  yuck  My choice is with no doubt 3-3-3.  Smile
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:30 am

If you travel in a group of three a lot then 3-3-3 would probably be fine for you, but if you travel a lot by yourself or in a couple, then 2-5-2 clearly wins in my opinion.

Saying 2-5-2 is worse because one of the seats--the very middle seat in the middle block--is worse than any of the seats in a 3-3-3 configuration isn't very sound logic to me, because what are the odds that you're going to end up in that middle seat anyway? The odds of ending up two seats from the aisle are much higher in a 3-3-3 config. in fact. And I don't know who it is that gets stuck in that very middle seat on flights, but I know I would always see to it that I don't.

ANCFlyer, you're indeed discussing semantics and nothing else. Yes there's only one CENTER seat in the 2-5-2 by your logic, but what really matters to people is whether they're stuck between two people or not, as opposed to having an aisle or a wall next to them on one side. So it's irrelevant in terms of comfort and flight experience that there's only one CENTER seat, because in that 5-seat block three people will be seated with two people on each side of them, just like there'll be three people in that position on a 3-3-3.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
The idea of 2-5-2 is that now only 1 in 9 seats has two seats between them and the aisle, and you can put big families in the fiver.

This agrees with what I've heard.

My father worked for UA, and he was told that the block of five was for families.

However, the other argument about only using the center seat on very full flights is also a reasonable one. There is one consolation to being in the center of 2-5-2: The person seated there has a choice of two ways to get out.

Like every aviation buff, I personally prefer the 3-3-3 when travelling alone. However, with my family, the block of five is looking more attractive.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:58 am

Just a thought, but when the L-1011 and DC-10 went into service, they were 2-4-2. Only after deregulation was the 9th seat added to each row, making for 2-5-2.

Likewise, the 747 went into service as 3-4-2. After deregulation, it became 3-4-3.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
UAs domestic B772 have 2-5-2 seating.

Why people call UAL's 777 domestic? On which routes do they fly? Because I don't know single UAL 777 flight that is just domestic.
Even if you fly from IAD to LAX on 777 later that plane is continuing to Japan or elsewere. So its rather Pacific configured not domestic.
From my point of view United owns two types of Boeing 777:
- 777-200 which is used on transatlantic flights
- 777-200ER which is mostly used on Pacific flights
Copule of months ago I had the pleasure flying 777-200ER from IAD to MUC.
- United's 200ERs are very rare at IAD. They come here from LAX and DIA and then to Europe.

Please tell me that UA has 777 on a shuttle flights between ORD and LAX/SFO/DIA, and that they don't fly anywhere else.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:14 am

L1011's are 2-5-2 as well but some airlines tried getting out of this confirguration for example:

Gulf air L-1011's had 3-4-2 as well as KLM MD-11's and Egyptair 777's, all are 3-4-2 or 2-4-3
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:16 am

I really like the 2-5-2 seating arrangement. It's much better than 3-3-3 because many more people can sit by the window and only have one person to climb over. As stated before, only 1 in 9 seats are goin to have to climb over to people.. How can you beat that? 3-3-3 sure doesn't!!

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting PM (Reply 21):
Really? I assume she's getting a bit confused. I cannot imagine ANY plane being configured - or being allowed to be configured - with a block of seats 7-wide!

If it was a US-registered airplane (or if it was regestered in a country that follows US FARs), 7 abreast would not be legal. US FARs (specifically, 14 CFR 25.817 "Maximum number of seats abreast" specifies "On airplanes having only one passenger asile, no more than three seats abreast of may be placed on each side of the asile in any one row" -- and I'm pretty sure there's a similar provision for multiple asiles, that essentially means no more than 2 seats between you and an asile, but I'm too lazy to find it now. Maybe it's an interpertation of 25.817.

On the topic, I prefer 2-5-2... Gives large families space in the middle and those on the outside perceive that they have more room.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:33 am

Ok, I'm officially confused between the semantics and the arithmetic calculations made here. So, I'll just throw my two cents.

MX had its DC-10-15's configured 2-4-3 and it was very comfortable, as I usually travelled in a group of three or as a couple.

I preferr the 2-5-2 as long as I can get in the row of 2!
I feel better off on a 3-3-3 if I get an aisle or a window in any of the lateral rows. I hate an aisle on the center row (much less the center seat) be it a 2-5-2 or 3-3-3, I just hate being in the center of the aircraft. Being on the center row of the aircraft have been the only two times in my life I have become airsick. I just loose it.

Now, I'm surprised at what I've read here. I have personally heard from two different pursers in two different airlines, that they hate the 2-5-2 because of all the difficulty involved in serving the center row passengers. One was CO the other UA. As a matter of fact, CO went for the 3-3-3 on their 777's mainly because of the input by their flight crew representatives. They should know, having operated the DC-10-30 for such a long time.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Not semantics . . . . 2-5-2 has 2/3rds less center seats. Seat #3 in the center of the 5 seat center block is the center seat. . . . the 2 and 2 side blocks have no centers.

Yes it is semantics....the three seats in the middle of a block of five are all middle seats. You see what can be done with semantics?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:50 am

I find these drawings and discussions pretty entertaining. Heh. What it comes down to is this though:

The goal of getting a Y seat for most people is either having a window seat or an aisle seat. The three seats sandwiched between the two aisle seats on an 2-5-2 configuration clearly do not meet that goal. You still have to climb over one (or two) people to get out, and there are no windows. So essentially with 2-5-2 you have simply moved the two "middle seats" from 3-3-3 into the middle of the cabin, retaining the disadvantage of those seats (with the added disadvantage of being further from the window) and ALSO created an additional "very bad" seat in the middle of that 5-seat block. Not advantageous at all, IMO.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:51 am

I've never understood the argument that 3x3x3 is better than 2x5x2. IMHO, 2X5X2 wins. Since the pro 3x3x3 people always use the argument, "Well, in 3x3x3 you are only one seat away from an aisle if you have a middle seat," always tend to forget that every window seat has 2 people to climb over. In 2x5x2, only ONE person per row has more than 2 people to climb over. And seriously, other than a.netters and really curious children, I doubt the average passenger really cares if he's at the window or not. In fact, I'd dare to say that most want aisle seats.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:12 am

Two advantages:

One person instead of two has two people to disturb to reach the aisle.
That person has the choice between two times two people to leave his seat, leaving a greater chance to have people awake, also leaving their seats, etc...


The question now is : why so few airlines use it? Like the 2-4-3 configuration which imo is the best compromise because with the 2-5-2 the people who get the double excuse-me are these lucky bastards with the window seats (or merely smart people who request the windows in advance!)

Nothing beats the 2-4-2 anyway... Nothing worse than 3-3-3 except of course 3-4-3!

For info, AF on their 777s has a few rows of seats in Y with window seats with only one neighbour (eg row 31 on the 773ER). To have tested one of them, I strongly recommend them, since the recline is standard and you can recline without worrying about the guy behind you!
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:51 am

I take 2-5-2 any day, when traveling in this configuration its very nice to sit with my wife by ourselves. I usual make my reservations ahead of time so there's still some seats left.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:41 am

2 5 2 makes more sense because most people who fly, not for business, are either flying with a companion, i.e. wife, or flying with their family. The 5 seats together are for the family. The 2 on the outside are for couples.

It has nothing to do with more/less middle seats

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting EconoBoy (Thread starter):
2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

why not ???
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
I believe Airbus widebodies can be fitted to nine-abreast like in high-density config but not sure if they can be 2-5-2 and/or 3-3-3.

Air Transat's A330-200 has a configuration of 3-3-3!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:46 am

In 3-3-3. 5 people per row have to climb over someone to get to the aisle. 2 of those have to climb over two people.

In 2-5-2, 5 people per row have to climb over someone to get to the aisle, and one of those has to climb over two people.

Amazingly, 2-5-2 has it on math.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:58 am

2-5-2 appears more cluttered and claustrophobic onboard, 3-3-3 appears bright and airy in comparison and even the 3-4-3 on EK 773s appears less so, it's psychological, as much as any other reason given. In general I reckon more Pax wouldn't like the idea of sitting next to 4 strangers more than they do maximum of two strangers.

I have been onboard KE & MH (2-5-2) and NZ,SQ,TG 3-3-3,EK (3-4-3) and just watching the passengers body language onboard as I roamed the length of the cabin showed to me 3-3-3 is preferred.
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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
XX will indicate a seat. A will indicate an Aisle. CS will indicate a CENTER SEAT

2-5-2 Seat Rows:

XX XX A XX XX CS XX XX A XX XX

3-3-3 Seat Rows:

XX CS XX A XX CS XX A XX CS XX

Now which one do you think has more Center Seats?

Your logic is flawed because you're only considering a middle seat to be one in the exact middle of the row. I think that the more agreed upon definition of a middle seat is one where you have a seat on either side of you - going by that definition, the graphic you drew would look more like this:

A B C D E F G H J
XX XX A XX CS CS CS XX A XX XX

While seats D and F may not be "center seats", as you call them, I would still consider them to be middle seats (and thus undesirable). In the 3-3-3 configuration, you still have the three middle seats, but each of them is only one seat away from the aisle - the two window seats get to be two seats away, but that's the tradeoff for getting the window. I would hate to be in the middle of a 2-5-2 row.

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RE: 2-5-2 Seat Configuration - Why?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:36 am

How many abreasts is 787 going to have? The 777 is 7 inches wider than 787 dimensions. I hope they will have 2-4-2. At the end it still up to the airlines.