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Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:19 pm

Yes, the title of this thread sounds ridiculous.

I thought that pilots had to write into their log book after a flight, and wait for every pax to deboard the plane, and finally deboard. But a strange case occured on Jan 9th (Monday) with the pilots onboard on JL12 on the NRT-YVR sector. It was captain Hino and Abe F/O.

I was sitting in 5K (business class) and as soon as the plane arrived in YVR, I stood near the L1 door and was one of the very first ones to get off the plane. I then dashed through the walkways and easily went through Canada customs as JL12 which arrived at 8:33 was one of the first int'l flights to arrive that morning.

Yet, when I was at the baggage claim carousel, I saw two Japanese pilots outside waiting for their bags to come out of another seperate carousel. Can this really have been the JL pilots?

The only Japanese flights that come into YVR are flown by Japan Airlines, unless there were NH pilots onboard another AC flight with their complete uniforms, but can pilots deboard the plane so quick?

And the interesting factor to see was that on flights from NRT-YVR, it is always flown by two pilots, but on the return sector YVR-NRT, the cockpit crew is always three. I saw one veteran looking captain sitting in the A compartment near my seat on that day.

But, it still puzzles me.... Who were those pilots?


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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:40 pm

Hello,

I flew on 4 China Southern flights last december, 2 international and 2 internal flights. I witnessed the same thing as you - almost straight after the engines are cut the pilots would be out at the cockpit, even before the door is opened. And as you can guess, they were among the first to leave the aircraft. They were really quick with everything, the engines are cut immediately after the brakes are applied to stop the aircraft permanently with the aircraft nose still bouncing and the next thing you know they're already waiting at the door.

I've flown a with number of airlines and flights, I've never seen pilots leaving before passengers. CZ's my first experience. Logbook entries aside, I thought the captain is responsible for everyone onboard and should be the last one to leave with the cabin crew? Or am I wrong?

Thanks.
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Mr.BA (Reply 1):
I witnessed the same thing as you - almost straight after the engines are cut the pilots would be out at the cockpit, even before the door is opened.

The thread starter did not witness what you witnessed. He merely saw two Japanese pilots at the baggage claim area rather early and was pondering whether this was the crew from his flight. Obviously, he did not see them get off first or he would have said that. It could be that after all passengers deplaned, then the crew followed and went through a special customs line set up for crew members only.
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:45 am

When travelling wth children I am often slow to deplane, and as such I have seen pilots leave before the last passengers are off. Needless to say, there are always other of the crew who wait to ensure everyone is off.

What's the big deal? It's not like a captain staying with his sinking ship...
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:56 am

Well, it depends where you are and what leg it is for the crew:

1. If you are at an outstation, you will see this only if it is a quick turn and the FO has to jump out to walk around the AC or there is a change of crew during the quick turn.

2. If you are at an outstation, and it's the last flight of the day before a short overnight, you will see the crew running for a hotel bus.

3. If you are at base (the hub), and it's the last flight of the day and a crewmember has to commute home on a flight that leaves in 15 minutes, you will also see them dashing from the plane.

4. If you are at base and it's the last flight of the day and the crew members just want to get the hell out of there, you may see this.

5. Here's the fun one . . . if the crewmember gets back to base and wants to escape a trip extension by crew scheduling he/she will run to avoid the gate agent, the crew coordinator, the chief pilot, or an ops agent. He/She will run, run, run, run . . . right to the parking lot.


That's been my experience...

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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:00 am

Usually, for special occassions such as the first plane to arrive at a new terminal, the pilot will be the first off the plane along with a passenger. They usually get their picture taken, and then carry on their way.

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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:17 am

I know pilots get off the airplane last after all passengers disembark. I know for a fact when I used to go with my dad I always stay seated until my dad comes out of the cabin. Pilots are suppose to wait til all passengers left the a/c. Pilots do enter a/c before or after F/A arrive.
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:12 am

There is no legal requirement for pilots to remain on the aircraft.Some airlines may ask that time permitting pilots greet the pax as they leave after a fight.Domesticly the crew may have an very tight connection for there next leg.On those occasions you can be sure the airline doesn't want them to be last off the aircraft.The other thing I notice from previous posters is that most of what is written here is about international flts .Many of those carry two crews plus numerous deadheading crew members.
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:49 am

Could have been IROs (International Relief Officers) used to augment the crew, to satisfy crew rest requirements, on long, non-stop, international flights.
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:58 am

Perhaps both of them had diarrhea. Or they were claustaphobic. Or they just hate their jobs. Perhaps they were dying for a drink. Or had to pee. Or they believed there was a ticking bomb on board.

Is it bad form to leave before the passengers? Not really. Pilots leave when they are done. What is unusual is that they were done so quickly.
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:02 am

My dad told me that back in Russia, during the Soviet regime, it was common courtesy for the russian passengers to wait in the aircraft and let the pilots exit the aircraft first! in some remote cities, this is still done on a regular basis apparently!

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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 2):
The thread starter did not witness what you witnessed. He merely saw two Japanese pilots at the baggage claim area rather early and was pondering whether this was the crew from his flight. Obviously, he did not see them get off first or he would have said that. It could be that after all passengers deplaned, then the crew followed and went through a special customs line set up for crew members only.

I apologise, I didn't read it carefully enough.
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:16 am

When I took a United flight from NRT to LAX, the Capitan happened to get off the plane right in front of me as we walked through the jet-way and I was sitting in coach. As far as pilots having things to do after shutdown, I don't know but I would imagine that they don't have much to do except gather their belongings. I don't think they log hours, I would imagine the company does it for them. If you were curious why didn't you ask the pilots?
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:35 am

Bear in mind:

1 - Crew just show there ID and Passport and walk thru Immigration..no que
2 - There bags are loaded nearest the door with CREW labeled on there bags: baggage crews look after CREW bags as they never know when they need a deal in return: a coffee on a cold morning...the Jumpseat on a STBY flight...etc

I have seen many crew...longhaul and shorthaul, from myflights, driving off in there cars...as I'm leaving the Terminal.




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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Ktachiya (Thread starter):
And the interesting factor to see was that on flights from NRT-YVR, it is always flown by two pilots, but on the return sector YVR-NRT, the cockpit crew is always three.

I would imagine that this is due to the difference in scheduled flying time eastbound vs. westbound. Eastbound transpacific flights (e.g., NRT-YVR) are usually at least an hour shorter than westbound (e.g., YVR-NRT) due to prevailing winds. So, the eastbound flight is probably just under the maximum flying time for 2 pilots, whereas the westbound flight is long enough to require a relief pilot.
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 9):
Perhaps both of them had diarrhea. Or they were claustaphobic. Or they just hate their jobs. Perhaps they were dying for a drink. Or had to pee. Or they believed there was a ticking bomb on board.

That just made my day!!! Thanks

Quoting Mr.BA (Reply 11):
I apologise, I didn't read it carefully enough

No worries, close enough. BTW, it is interesting because I was sitting in C and was amongst the first to get off the plane. On a few occasions where I have sat in coach, I have seen the crew get off easily before me because of the long immigration line, but I am a bit upset the pilots still beat me this time. And what is interesting is that last time, I saw the crew getting off with the pilots. This time, it was only the pilots.

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):
I would imagine that this is due to the difference in scheduled flying time eastbound vs. westbound.

Yes, on 8 hour flights or less, its two pilots. 9-12 hours is 3 pilots, and 12 or more is usually four pilots (double cockpit crew). At least for Japanese airlines that is what I read.
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:58 am

It comes down to pilot preference. I've seen them the first off, come off in the middle of all the passengers and last off the flight.
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:13 am

My routine was.. Shutdown check complete, GET OFF plane while trying to avoid any dumb quesitions or coments from the people in the back
Now my routine is Shutdown check complete, Get off plane watching the boxes getting off loading. Boxes are way better then passengers.
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 4):
Here's the fun one . . . if the crewmember gets back to base and wants to escape a trip extension by crew scheduling he/she will run to avoid the gate agent, the crew coordinator, the chief pilot, or an ops agent. He/She will run, run, run, run . . . right to the parking lot.

I did this just yesterday! It was the end of a five day trip and I was looking forward to three days off. However, I got snagged for a three hour sit in PHX and then a TUS roundtrip.  hissyfit  While in TUS I made sure my suitcase was immediately accessible and changed into my civilian shirt which I then covered up with my uniform sweater. As soon as the jetway was in place in PHX I took off my sweater, grabbed my suitcase and flight case and disappeared up the jetway with the first few passengers while hoping I would elude anyone waiting for me.  pray 

I went the roundabout way out of the terminal and didn't breathe a sigh of relief until I was in the employee parking lot.  relieved 
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 4):
Here's the fun one . . . if the crewmember gets back to base and wants to escape a trip extension by crew scheduling he/she will run to avoid the gate agent, the crew coordinator, the chief pilot, or an ops agent. He/She will run, run, run, run . . . right to the parking lot.

I read a funny story like that recently in an aviation magazine. It was a 727 and the captain on seeing the gate agent waiting and knowing that it might be required to do a trip extention , he squeezed through the passengers and got out throught the rear stairs and could be seen literally running on the tarmac to 'get away'. The author of the story said hecould hear lots of 'sorry', 'excuse me',''oops' all the way down the plane from the fleeing pilot.
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Ktachiya (Thread starter):
I thought that pilots had to write into their log book

They use PalmPilots now


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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:15 am

I had the same thing happen to me this past summer on Air China, After the plane stopped in Beijing i got up got my things and headed towards the door and sure enough i was the third person off and the pilots were out in the jetway shaking the hands of passengers and thanking them for their business.
 
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:43 pm

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 20):
They use PalmPilots now

Thanks for the correction.

Nevertheless, the flight was hilarious. In that the F/O's captain announcment in English just made me laugh.

These are the precise words that he said

"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board Japan Airlines flight 18 from Tokyo Narita to Vancouver International Airport, this your cockpit speaking. We are currently crusing at an altitutde of 37000 km (meant 37000 ft) or 12 km with a ground speed of 1900 kmph (meant 1090). We will be crossing the international date line in approximately 2h 35 minutes, and fly over the Bering straight in 6 1/2 min (I think he meant 6 and a half hours). Thank you for your attention."

Very entertaining. But nevertheless, the senior cabin attendant, Mr. Kishibe on the flight was very kind and courteous.
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RE: Aircraft Arrives At The Gate, Pilots Off First?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:14 pm

I've seen both the first offs and the last offs. As Aerobnz said, I think its a personal preference.

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