sk601
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Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:50 am

Last week I read something about a possible strike at NW as from 17 January. Does anybody here know more about this?

I am flying with NW next week. Do I need to think about alternative routes??

My flight schedule is as follows:

NW39 AMS - DTW 14 January
NW747 DTW - MSP 17 January
NW56 MSP - AMS 18 January

  

p.s. I know the mechanics are on strike, I am refering to a possible strike from cockpit and/or cabin crew.

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SeaMeFly
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:09 am

Jan 16 is when the Judge will decide whether or not he will throw the employees' current contracts. After that they will have 30 days cooling off period. So if strike is going to happen it will be Feb 16.
 
qqflyboy
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:27 am

I am no expert, but I don't think a 30-day cooling off period would apply here. If the company has the contract terminated, they have in effect exercised self help and therefore the employees can engage in self help immediately. The 30-day cooling off period occurs when national mediators declare an impasse in negotiations. There are no mediators here.
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grrtvc
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:19 am

CRAP!!! I bought a ticket from ANC to MCO leaving on the 17th.
 
filejw
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:22 am

A strike is possible but it will not be that soon.And there is no cooling off period.
 
LUVRSW
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:44 am

I'm sure if there is a strike, other airlines will honor your tickets. I would look at alternate routes on other carriers as a backup plan. Hell, WN may even let you fly free!
 
toltommy
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:38 am

Theres a lot of speculation as to whether the unions can actually strike at all if a new contract is imposed, 30 day cooling of period or not. If a new contract is imposed, and the union chooses to strike, I think you'll see a quick injunction forcing everyone back to work until the courts settle the legality issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go all the way to the Supremes.
 
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:48 am

Someone told me just today, he did NOT think the judge would let NW toss the contracts yet, but give them a little more time to work something out before doing his(the judge) thing.
We shall see....my guess on this is IF the pilots strike, they cannot get organized quick enough to strike in mid January. IF they get the contracts tossed, look for a strike in March during spring break time, a period that will hurt the company.
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wobbles
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:52 pm

If any of these groups agree to the new groundco or newco, just so their unions, like IAM, can keep dues money flowing, I won't see how any of these negotiators will be able to sleep at night.
However, maybe the company won't agree to that, since I think they basically want to chase the unions off the property, except the pilots.
 
Indy
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 6):
Theres a lot of speculation as to whether the unions can actually strike at all if a new contract is imposed, 30 day cooling of period or not. If a new contract is imposed, and the union chooses to strike, I think you'll see a quick injunction forcing everyone back to work until the courts settle the legality issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go all the way to the Supremes.

In America you cannot be forced to work. There is that old issue with slavery. However if they strike they could be terminated. Those involved should realize that if the judge voids your contract and you strike you should consider yourself unemployed.
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m404
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:01 pm

No 30 day cooling off period here. However it's been said the judge may take longer than an instant on these decisions. All three major union are involved. ALPA, IAM and the F/As. It will probably be a race to see who blinks first. If pilots walk the others can say it's shut down anyway and then most likely be locked out therefore keeping a lot of aid alive. As for the timing that was in NWs court from the get go. Once they got the court (no fight at all) to agree or force in IAMs case, the two month extension and plus the 60% concessions it then made a strike in the slowest season - now.

As for the oft asserted slap against the unions just wanting the money flow coming you had better read the proposals for Groundco. "Article 30 Union shops and dues check-off agreement. Amend to open Article in it's entirety.
Article 2 Scope. Amend to expressly recognize the Company's right to subcontract work for economic reasons." These and other "Company Openers" may indicate the demise of the Union within the contracts Duration anyway.

It is the belief of many that the negotiators are trying the very best possible under the circumstances but so far nothing has come out from the Company side. Does the company have the full intention of letting the Judge let them dissolve the contract thru BK abrogation and let them do whatever they want? What powers does that give a negotiator?
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filejw
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:44 pm

The offer is basically the same for all the unions.NWA just wants to run a corporate office with no employees.
 
sk601
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:02 am

Thanks for your replies!  Cool
 
toltommy
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 9):
In America you cannot be forced to work. There is that old issue with slavery.

Wow, who ordered the hyperbole?

Its not about being forced to work without pay. Its about being told that the law isn't on their side, and either return to work or surrender employment.

Besides that, ask an AA pilot about being compelled to return to work via presidential order. Your comment is incorrect on many levels.
 
Indy
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 13):
either return to work or surrender employment

That was my point. You don't have to work. Same goes for an AA pilot. You don't have to fly. You may not have a job the next day but nobody can make you work.

The NW FA's may decide the pay isn't worth all the BS and decide to walk off the job for good.
Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
 
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RE: Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:29 am

Hello SK601  wave 
Hopefully you get out okay. Enjoy the carshow!
I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!

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