richm
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Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:38 am

During a flight in July 2004 from Larnaca (Cyprus) to Cairo (Egypt) onboard an Egypt Air Boeing 737-500, a minute or so after the aircraft rotated, the emergency door handle cover (a plastic cover that covers the handle from being clearly visible) fell off. I was sat in the row behind the emergency exit, and it was clear that the passenger who was sat next to the emergency exit was very uncomfortable. The cover was hanging (on a piece of cord) however, she didn't appear to know what its purpose was, and her partner, was reaching across trying to fix it back into place. However, he struggled and pressed the cabin crew call button as a result of failing to put it back into place. Several minutes later (I assume they were not allowed to leave their seats until the aircraft reached 10000ft) a male F/A came and reached over, and eventually managed to fix it into place once another passenger had informed him that he was trying to put it on the wrong way round.

I was just wondering, how much of a safety concern is this? (if any) as I said, the aircraft had only just rotated, therefore, is it possible that the emergency exit door could have been accidently opened assuming that the pressure may not have been very high? (Sorry, I don't know all of the facts regarding pressurization, hence the reason for this topic)


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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting RichM (Thread starter):
I was just wondering, how much of a safety concern is this? (if any) as I said, the aircraft had only just rotated, therefore, is it possible that the emergency exit door could have been accidently opened assuming that the pressure may not have been very high? (Sorry, I don't know all of the facts regarding pressurization, hence the reason for this topic)

Well, its not in my opinion. It was a bit of plastic that fell off, thats all. To anyone sat nearby it may be slightly un-nerving, but there is no safety issue unless the people sat next to the exit are stupid enough to PULL the handle to open the hatch. Although saying that im sure there would be people out there who would take the placard saying PULL as an instruction and do it anyway,lol. But yes, immediately after rotation the exit could be opened, as the cabin pressure wouldn't be sufficient to prevent it.
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:31 am

At the moment, the story of an AMC 732 (manuf. in 1976 !!) is doing the headlines of the French media.
At the end of dec 2005, during a CAI-Luxor flight, the airplane has encountered a slow decompression due to an engine malfunction and it initiated a rapid descent but it took time for the pilots to acknowledge the situation. Cabin ceiling was icing for more than 10 minutes.
Cabin crew were more frightened than the pax. Also there was no oxygen flow inside the pax emergency masks.

All in all, the reputation of the Egyptian civil aviation safety sucks here in Europe. I wouldn't take an Egyptian charter either.

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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:56 am



What troubles me so much about MS is not their direct record per se-- but back during the case of MS990, the Egyptian government's absolute refusal to accept, or even consider, the findings of overwhelming evidence (not to mention every other aviation/transportation agency in the world) as to the crash's cause being pilot suicide.


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jetdeltamsy
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:42 am

There are very few airlines that I would never fly.

Egyptair is one I wouldn't step foot on. Cubana and few Eastern-bloc airlines as well.
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:19 am

I flew Egyptair from JFK-CAI in October of '05 on the 777, and found the airline to be not of Continental standards concerning the pax comfort and safety, but it's nothign to be afraid of. I actually quite enjoyed the flight over to CAI. I dunno if thats true about the rest of the system, but I guess I'll find out in May when I take Egyptair to Dubai from Cairo on an A340...  bitelip 
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jetdeltamsy
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 5):
it's nothign to be afraid of.



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
but back during the case of MS990, the Egyptian government's absolute refusal to accept, or even consider, the findings of overwhelming evidence (not to mention every other aviation/transportation agency in the world) as to the crash's cause being pilot suicide.

my feelings exactly. if the regulating authority (the egyptian government) was so unwilling look at suicide as the cause of the crash, who knows how many like minded pilots might be working there.

i was always of the mindset that the guys in the cockpit had families at home that they wanted to get back to at the end of the day. the thought of pilot suicide had never entered my mind. the whole incident freaked me out.
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semsem
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:04 am

Misrair (Egyptair) has a good safety record. It was founded in the early 1930s and merged with SAIDE (Societe Aerienne Internationale d'Egypte) in the 1950s, which operated routes to Europe.
 
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:07 am

And with the "I rely on god" stuff, It makes me suspicious of what his intentions where, my personal opinion is that it was suicide.
 
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:08 pm

I am flying MS next month.

I will try to put in a trip report. However, my camera is non digital and I only have a standard scanner, so my pictures may not be good enough.
 
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RE: Egypt Air - Safety Concern?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:27 pm

While it is true that companies like AMC have a bad safety-record and should be closely supervised - Egypt Air has certainly deficiencies in the service level.
But having flown Egypt Air on many occasions on flights from Cairo to Australia (even on two occasion on jumpseat in a A340..) I can confirm that I would not suggest to mix up Egyptian charter airlines safety level and Egyptair's safety standards.Media do make a terrible mix-up when it comes to aviation and unfortunately passengers don't analyze these reports with enough knowledge.
Egyptair has a long way to go to reach Qatar or Ethihad level of inboard -service and quality. But their pilots ,planes and maintenance are reliable and have never been subject to any negative recommendations.
It's similar to Turkey,where some charter-airlines stink but where TK is reliable as carrier.
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