BenThePlaneHen
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A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:56 am

Hello,  Smile
In the near future what airlines will be flying into YVR with a A380?
Also will the A380 visit Vancouver?

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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting BenThePlaneHen (Thread starter):
In the near future what airlines will be flying into YVR with a A380?

Don't know about YVR.
Air France plans CDG-YUL (wrong coast  Smile) when the A380 enters service with them, but that's not for tomorrow.
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:50 am

That would be interesting... The only possible airline Ican think of is LH. The 744 in the summer is usually full, so we could see a seasonal A380 to FRA. Can anyone think of any others?
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting BenThePlaneHen (Thread starter):
Also will the A380 visit Vancouver?

Why would it visit YVR? AC placed there long-haul order with Boeing not Airbus... This would not make sense for it to visit YVR or any airport in North America.
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:52 pm

If Cathay get the A380 (or have they already ordered it? I think they're still sitting on the fence although there's no question that they will order it eventually, like BA), they might fly it to YVR. Maybe not immediately (that would be London, LA, Tokyo, Paris) but in the second tranche of destinations.

Btw Montreal will be one of Air France's first A380 destinations, maybe the very first.
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 4):
Cathay get the A380 (or have they already ordered it? I think they're still sitting on the fence although there's no question that they will order it eventually, like BA), they might fly it to YVR.

For all intensive purposes, I think Cathay would send the A380 to YYZ before they send it to YVR for obvious reasons.
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 5):
For all intensive purposes, I think Cathay would send the A380 to YYZ before they send it to YVR for obvious reasons.

Possibly true, and as a major fan of Toronto that pleases me no end. But if it does go to Toronto, YVR will see it anyway, at least as a tech stop westbound (at the moment with the A340 I think the eastbound flights HKG-YYZ go nonstop most of the time with a flight time of 15h15 and all of the westbounds stop in YVR at dark o'clock for fuel and a crew change?).
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6):
Possibly true, and as a major fan of Toronto that pleases me no end.

I'd hate to see the landing fees for that behemoth! Yikes!
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting ACYWG (Reply 7):
I'd hate to see the landing fees for that behemoth! Yikes!

If you're in Pegg City, I'm guessing it'll be a while - unlike your fellow Canadians in Toronto and Vancouver - before you find out firsthand. With the greatest of respect to your fine city, the rock n roll heart of Canada or so I'm reliably informed.
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:57 pm

Yes, YVR will see it regardless because an A380 has no hopes of making it out to YYZ nonstop for CX. I can definitely see it as one of the first routes CX will put the A380 on though, after LHR and LAX, perhaps.
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
This would not make sense for it to visit YVR or any airport in North America.

It'll probably get to MEM and SDF at some point, since UPS and FedEx both ordered A388Fs.
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:15 pm

As far as I know Singapore Airways will be the first airline to commercially launch the Airbus 380 in March 2006. Singapore is flying into YVR three weekly! So who knows we may see one visiting Vancouver in the near future.
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:55 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6):

The YYZ flight has changed its techstop back to ANC for over a year now and it stops both ways now whether winter or summer on the eastbound.
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:37 pm

Even if YVR will get the A380 we will not see it for some time because there have been no official preparations to accommodate the A380.

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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:53 pm

Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
Air France plans CDG-YUL (wrong coast )

Isn't YUL kind of not on a coast at all? (unless a big river leading to an ocean counts as a coast?)



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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:33 pm

quote=CanadianNorth,reply=14]Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
Air France plans CDG-YUL (wrong coast )

Isn't YUL kind of not on a coast at all? (unless a big river leading to an ocean counts as a coast?)

CanadianNorth[/quote]

Of course Montreal is not on the Atlantic coast! I was referring to the East-West location difference. And it was meant as a joke !!
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 11):
As far as I know Singapore Airways will be the first airline to commercially launch the Airbus 380 in March 2006.

It will be the first airline to commercially launch it, but just in the end of 2006.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6):
But if it does go to Toronto, YVR will see it anyway, at least as a tech stop westbound (at the moment with the A340 I think the eastbound flights HKG-YYZ go nonstop most of the time with a flight time of 15h15 and all of the westbounds stop in YVR at dark o'clock for fuel and a crew change?).

Unless the A380 completelly fails it's targeted range, it will be able to do YYZ-HKG nonstop both ways with no problems.

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 9):
Yes, YVR will see it regardless because an A380 has no hopes of making it out to YYZ nonstop for CX.

Really? CX does JFK-HKG (which has a route very similar to YYZ-HKG, but it's about 500km longer at about 13000km) nonstop both ways using an A340-600 (which has about 13900km of range).
The A380 has an estimated range of about 14800km.... so you telll me why on earth wouldn't it would be able to do YYZ-HKG nonstop.


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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 10):
It'll probably get to MEM and SDF at some point, since UPS and FedEx both ordered A388Fs.

WOW! Really...?
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17):
WOW! Really...?

99.9999999999999%...You get the point!
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 15):
Of course Montreal is not on the Atlantic coast! I was referring to the East-West location difference. And it was meant as a joke !!

Ok I see now!



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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 11):

You are right that SIA flies to YVR, but only out of INC. They are using a 772ER right now, so I doubt there is a demand for an A380 (Especially with AC and KL flying that route also).

Quoting A360 (Reply 16):
CX does JFK-HKG (which has a route very similar to YYZ-HKG, but it's about 500km longer at about 13000km) nonstop both ways using an A340-600 (which has about 13900km of range).

Doesn't the JFK flight actually stop in YVR? Or is there another JFK flight non-stop?

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 5):
For all intensive purposes, I think Cathay would send the A380 to YYZ before they send it to YVR for obvious reasons.
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I would have to disagree with you there... I think that if CX got the A380, YVR would see it before YYZ. Firstly because HKG-YYZ is a very long haul for the A380. Secondly, CX already has 3 flights per day to YVR (744, 343 and 346... sometimes changes). There would certainly be a demand for an A380, (to replace the 744), even if they had to eliminate one of the A340 flights. HKG-YVR is a huge market.
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 20):
Doesn't the JFK flight actually stop in YVR? Or is there another JFK flight non-stop?

No... CX has a nonstop HKG-JFK service both ways using a 340-600.... and by non-stop it means that it doesn't stop, so no, it doesn't stop anywhere.
I believe CX has other direct services but with stops.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 20):
Firstly because HKG-YYZ is a very long haul for the A380.

Well... that just doesn't make any sense at all.... does it?

Very long haul for an A380?! Well, my friend, I've got to give you this terrible news.... the A380 is an aircraft made for long haul.

And I ask you this.... Would HKG-YYZ be very long haul for a B747-400ER (with it's inferior range compared to what is expected the A380 to have)?


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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 4):
If Cathay get the A380 (or have they already ordered it? I think they're still sitting on the fence although there's no question that they will order it eventually

I think it will be a very long time before CX orders the A380, if ever.
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:20 am

I just found an article at Aeroport De Montreal their new international jetty opens June 8th 2005. So its already open, they mention this new additional jetty will accommodate the biggest aircraft A380. They say the 380 will begin servicing the airport in 2007. Not bad so we'll have to wait and see AF 380 arrive in YUL in 2007. When will they get their A380?

Quote ( With 10 boarding gates providing direct access to aircraft and an 11th equipped with four docks for passenger transfer vehicles (PTVs), the new facility is able to accommodate the largest wide-body jets flying internationally, including the brand-new Airbus A380, which will begin serving Montréal-Trudeau in 2007 )

Here's the link. when you get to the link you'll have to scroll down or read the whole article. http://www.admtl.com/information_cen...?id=249&SearchType=AndWords&terms=
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting BenThePlaneHen (Reply 13):
Even if YVR will get the A380 we will not see it for some time because there have been no official preparations to accommodate the A380.

There is a budget and plans allocated to preparations for the A380:
Berg noted that the airport authority’s 10-year, $1.4-billion capital program, which was launched June 30, will add nine new gates at YVR’s international terminal by 2009. Two gates will accommodate the new Airbus A380. The airport-improvement fee helps finance the plan, which includes a $300-million contribution to the Richmond/Airport/Vancouver Rapid Transit Project.
http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=11468

And I'm sure YVR will see the A380 sooner or later, but I'd say by 2010 at the very latest - after all Vancouver will be hosting the 2010 Winter Olympics.

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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 23):
They say the 380 will begin servicing the airport in 2007. Not bad so we'll have to wait and see AF 380 arrive in YUL in 2007. When will they get their A380?

AF defered the delivery of their A380's to 2008... they said they did it because thy were only going to start receiving them in the last trimester or so of 2007, so they prefered to defer it to the high season of 2008.

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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
This would not make sense for it to visit YVR or any airport in North America.

What? The A380 is going to visit a wide variety of US airports, since the plane is going to be flown here regularly.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17):
WOW! Really...?

Tell me you're being sarcastic.

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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 24):
And I'm sure YVR will see the A380 sooner or later, but I'd say by 2010 at the very latest - after all Vancouver will be hosting the 2010 Winter Olympics.

That is a good point, I never thought about that. YVR is sure to see a passenger spike in 2010, so maybe we will see some A380s around then.
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 26):
What? The A380 is going to visit a wide variety of US airports, since the plane is going to be flown here regularly.

For example... (i.e. airport and airline)
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 28):
For example... (i.e. airport and airline)

I don't know much about which routes will be flown be A380's but I can tell you some basic ones:

AF to YUL as said befor.
Qantas to LAX and maybe also SFO.
Several companies to JFK (possibly AF, LH, VS... probably EK).
ORD will probably receive A380 flights...

Other north american airports will obviously receive A380 flights too... but i'm talking about the beggining of the A380 comercial service only.


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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 28):
For example... (i.e. airport and airline)

YUL will receive the AF A380
LAX will likely receive QF, VS, AF, LH, SQ, KE
JFK will likely also receive VS, LH, and potentially AF
MEM will see many daily 380 operations
SDF will as well.

These are just the ones we know about.

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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 16):
Really? CX does JFK-HKG (which has a route very similar to YYZ-HKG, but it's about 500km longer at about 13000km) nonstop both ways using an A340-600 (which has about 13900km of range).
The A380 has an estimated range of about 14800km.... so you telll me why on earth wouldn't it would be able to do YYZ-HKG nonstop.

You're right, I wasn't thinking (actually, I think I did the conversion wrong and remembered the wrong specs --- didn't check again before posting).
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:31 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 26):
What? The A380 is going to visit a wide variety of US airports, since the plane is going to be flown here regularly.

The only airports in North America I can think of that are prepping for the A380 are YYZ, LAX, SFO, ORD, MIA, JFK, SDF, MEM and ANC...I could be missing a few (DFW? IAD?), but I don't think many more airports in the U.S. or Canada can expect to see the A380. Officials at ATL and SEA have both said they won't make changes to accomodate the plane, and with most of the airports that see heavy 744 service already on the A380 prep list, I'd imagine many other airports will go the same route given the costs involved. That said, I think YVR could expect to see some A380 flights, especially with the Olympics coming up as was pointed out. Are KE and LH the only two A380 customers that operate to YVR?
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 20):
You are right that SIA flies to YVR, but only out of INC. They are using a 772ER right now, so I doubt there is a demand for an A380 (Especially with AC and KL flying that route also).

1. SQ flies SIN-YVR via ICN.
2. AC and KE fly the ICN-YVR leg not KL.

The only carrier that could justify an A380 into YVR is CX. I imagine they'll cross that bridge if and when they order them.

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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 33):
and KE fly the ICN-YVR leg not KL

Sorry, my mistake, I meant KEbanghead 
 
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RE: A380 To YVR?!?!?!

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 9):
YVR will see it regardless because an A380 has no hopes of making it out to YYZ nonstop for CX. I can definitely see it as one of the first routes CX will put the A380 on though, after LHR and LAX, perhaps.



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
AC placed there long-haul order with Boeing not Airbus... This would not make sense for it to visit YVR or any airport in North America.

This thread is rather amusing.

AC are not the only carrier that fly to North America. Unless several airlines all cancel their orders (don't hold your breath), the WhaleJet will fly to North America (e.g. LH to SFO, QF to LAX), but probably not to YVR.

There is no reason to believe that CX would ever order the WhaleJet. The B747-8 is a much more attractive business proposition for CX -- unless Airbus can find a way to lower operating costs and increase payload/range performance (lower SFC?) -- because SFO/LAX-HKG are reportedly at the edge of the WhaleJet's range.