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"Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 5:59 am

What do you guys mean by the term "no rev"?
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 6:04 am

Non Rev means to fly for free. How do you become a non rev? Well, you either have to work for an airline or have a family member work for an airline.
So whenever a non rev wants to fly, they just go to the airport and ask if there are any availible seats and if there are, then they can go on that flight. Usually in First Class too.

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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 6:06 am

Non revenue passenger. Mosy of the time it is an airline employee ot the family of an airline employee! They travel at discount rates! I am one of them  !


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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 6:08 am

It is not free! It is 5 or 10% off the ticket price! You must purchase a ticket at the airline employee travel centre!


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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 6:50 am

I don't know about Swissair, but at United, we get ID-95's which entitle us to a 95% discount off of rates---you multiply the mileage by a certain percent (I'll have to search for the sheet), which gives you your total cost for the ticket. SFO-SEA in Economy is $6.25, while SFO-SEA First Class is $13.60. SFO-HNL in Business Class is $24.00 r/t.

"Non-Reving--It is a wonderful thing..."

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Mon May 29, 2000 9:04 am

I feel sorry for all of you that have to pay to 'non-rev'....kind of a non-sequitar, don't you think.

At Delta, the employees fly for free. Absolutely free. No taxes, no 'yield fare', free. The only problem is, with a system load factor of 86%, trying to find an open seat to somewhere other than Boise is getting a little difficult.

p.s. All Delta employees get 'buddy' passes to give to their friends (no restriction on who you call a friend). It is about the same as an ID-95.

It's amazing how close a friendship people want to develop with you when they find out you have an extra buddy pass....
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 9:40 am

Some DL employee told me that you can't fly First Class internationally, though...true?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

(UA has buddy passes as well)
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 9:45 am


I believe IATA standard for "Non-Rev" classification is 25% or less of the published economy fare. This usually only includes staff discount and crew must-ride passengers.

Some airlines will segregate Non-Rev passengers for reporting purposes through their reservation system. A normal passenger in a reservation system would read (for example):

SMITH/ A MR

If they were a non-rev passenger their system entry may read:

P/SMITH/ A MR = for positive space travel, or;
S/SMITH/ A MR = for standby travel.

Hope this helps!

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Teahan

Mon May 29, 2000 1:00 pm

Errm, depends on the airline there, some are totally Free!!!
 
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RE: SeasonedFlyer

Mon May 29, 2000 2:17 pm

Seasonedflyer,

Wanna be my friend?   Just Kidding! I wish I was a non rev or had a friend who was. That would be cool.

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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 2:19 pm

One must keep in mind non-revs can find themselves stuck for days at a time if flights are full. NR's board in certain priorities...employees, family (spouse, kids, parents), buddies, other airline employees..etc. Within each catagory senority rules all... ie. 20 years goes before 10. Family of a 10 year employee goes before that of a 5 year. Buddy of a 5 year boards before that of a 3 year. During a busy holiday period, NR's can pile up, flight after flight until there are 50,70, 100 waiting to get a seat on one plane. (I kid you NOT... !!)
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 2:30 pm

That's true... sometimes it can be a total pain in the ass! So if it's a busy travel time (or busy travel days) and I really have to be somewhere, I sometimes end up just buying a ticket... even on my own airline.
 
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My Non-rev Story

Mon May 29, 2000 3:12 pm

Having done a bit of "non-rev" flying, I can tell you that the priorities are sometimes altered- I fly non-rev b/c a family member works for a major, once showed up at LGB for a return to DFW- flight wide-open until the other major serving LGB to my destination at the time had its next flight mechanical out- Oof!

As always, I dressed for first-class (used to have to wear ties, etc.) and there was one seat left; gate agents (of course) holding out to make sure no revenue pax get left; another non-rev passenger kept hounding the agent in a less-than-pleasant way about "when'll I get my boarding pass..." and being none too nice anout it.

That feller stepped away for a moment, the agent smiled at me, handed me the pass, and said, "Run!" Across the tarmac, into the MD80, door hit my butt and off we went.

I know that other guy was a higher pass priority than I was (heck, I waslower than dirt); but sometimes it pays to be pleasant.

Come to think of it, good advice even if you're paying for the trip...

It's funny, though, when there is a stack-up of non-rev's trying to get home at a big hub (ORD, DFW)- you begin to recognize the same faces as you trudge from gate to gate, trying (hoping, praying) to get there. And the list gets posted and you move down, down...
... so now you know why there are people with pained faces at the gate when you show up at that very last minute with a revenue ticket- someone's staying behind, and may even be pulled off the plane!
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 3:42 pm

BA recently had all Oz and Asia flights emborgoed to NRs because this time last year BKK and SIN were regularily seeing 100+ staff turning up each night trying to get back to LHR!

The local staff were getting p**sed off that they were just fielding calls from staff enquiring about the flights.

So far so good for me, haven't got caught anywhere yet, few problems getting home from Cape Town and Hong Kong, but managed to get upgraded - nice!

Not being able to get home though is no excuse if you can't get into work. You may lose your entitlement all together, if you can't get back in time for work!
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon May 29, 2000 4:00 pm

BA744
I remember this time last year in SIN and BKK as well. It was the same for us at QF. Very tough on the local staff!
 
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Frequent Flyer Points.

Mon May 29, 2000 5:47 pm

My friend managed to get me a non rev ticket with Ansett Australia. I figured it was only for direct family members, but somehow they he must of found a loophole. Anyway, my question is can you get frequent flyer points on a non rev flight. Im refering to Ansett, so maybe only the aussies in the know can answer.

But seriously, 55 dollar business class ticket sure beats a 1300 dollar business class ticket.
Just goes to show how ridiculous Australian airfares are.
 
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RE: Frequent Flyer Points.

Mon May 29, 2000 6:00 pm

If non-rev flying accumulated FF miles, I would be a million miler many times over on many carriers!

In other words, NO.  
 
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RE:

Tue May 30, 2000 3:04 am

Non reving is not that cheap! This summer we will fly GVA-ZRH-LAX-HNL return in C class for 215 Swiss Francs ($150) on an ID00 (only taxes) but then the expensive part comes! 400 Seiss Francs in Y Class ID90 HNL-Rarotonga with Air NZ! I will be doing this trip in June!

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Re: Getting Bumped On A Non-rev Ticket

Tue May 30, 2000 5:37 am

My favourite holiday ever, was Christmas/New Year 1992, when I travelled to Langkawi in Malaysia. Being, at the time, SQ staff, I flew on an ID100 ticket from Perth-Singapore-Penang, ID95 Penang-Langkawi on MH. I was to stay in Langkawi for 12 days (all on standby, due to the season). When it came time to leave LGK for SIN on my ID100 ticket with MI, the flight was absolutely chockers. Seeing as I was on standby, I was, of course, one of the first bumped off the flight. The next available flight was on Monday afternoon.

The day was a Friday, which as Langkawi is more Muslim than most other parts of Malaysia, there weren't many people about. I trotted back to the Sheraton Resort (away from the Pantai Cenang tourist strip), only to find that there was a Japanese conference-cum-golf trip on, and that they were unable to accommodate me. The guy who picked me up at the airport on my arrival in Langkawi, offered to let me stay with his family at his farm.

I have to say, for such an Islamic island (and I mean ISLAMIC, in the sense that they have loud speakers at various points around the island, which blare out every morning at 5am to beckon the people to the mosques...arrgghhh.....the humanity), I have never met a family that drinks so much piss, and generally know how to have a great time. It turned out, that on his farm, apart from the odd water buffalo running about, he also grew mushies (the kuta variety). The next three nights were just full-on parties with Andrew, his family and his mates. To be honest, I can't remember much of what happened over that weekend, but whatever I got up sure as hell beat being back here in Perth (although I do remember going out in the fields on the farm on a trike and going arse-over-tit and landing 5 metres away from the most enormous water buffalo I have ever seen, and the brown stuff in my pants as I got the hell out of there!!!). I have since been back to Langkawi twice and on each return trip have saved myself the money (even though ya get 75% discount at the Sheraton) and stayed with Andrew and his family. So, I must say, that travelling on a standby non-rev ticket and getting bumped isn't all that bad.

Any other non-rev stories out there ya wanna share?
 
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RE:

Tue May 30, 2000 5:56 am

Non Reving in Europe is much easier.

The best holiday had to be to HNL last year! On the HNL-LAX flight we were upgraded to F class! Such a nice end to the holiday! We landed in LAX ar 05:00! I then had the full day at the airport until 16:00 in the afternoon. I went to the viewing gallery in the Thomas Bradley International Termainal, bought a few Cokes at Mc. Donalds and had a great day. Afterwards we were in C class on SR. There was the nicest FA ever. When she noticed I was not eating my meal (It was allready a vegetarian meal but had eggs. Some of you may know that I am lacto vegetarian) She went up to F Class and got me a lovely plate of vegetarian lasagne etc. She also talked to me and my parents a bit during the flight  !

When you fly non rev., you allways seem to get better treatment from the crew. On a GVA-LHR in Y class, my mom knew a flight attendant. She gave my mom 2 small bottles of champagne and me a heap of SR chocolates!

All this joy of travelling non rev will end when I am 24 which is in 10 years time  ! That day will be the worst day of my life!   Well I guess I will have to get myself a job with an airline  

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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 6:00 am

For those who don't know this.....NONREVING IS THE BEST BENEFIT OF ANY OCCUPATION WORLD WIDE. It's amazing the amount of diversity within the airline community. In five years I have flown not only first class 90 percent of the time, but if a price tag was attatched the approx total: $100,000!! and that is not an exaggeration.........For the UA person asking if DL gets first class international......We have went to a two tier seating configuraton; BusinessElite and coach; therefore we don't have a First class section, but BusinessElite is a wonderful seat for 8 hours!!!! I'm also proud to say that DL goes up and beyond for ID90's. If you are with another airline and DL has First class open well you can bet we will place you up front!!!
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 6:02 am

There must be some places on Internet or so where employees sell friends-passes... Does anyone knows how to get one?? I love flying, don't mind to wait on an airport a few hours, and am not close with any airline empoyee :-(((
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 6:07 am

It is illegal to sell buddy/friend passes!

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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 6:10 am

To give you an example how most airlines deal with passes I'll use Delta. Of coarse I fly free with the exception of International taxes. My parents also share this benefit by just showing a flight "like credit card". Also we are permitted to choose a companion of our choice that can fly with this card, but the companion must purchase a flight pass. All Delta employees are granted 8 "Family and Friends" passes per year. With the companion and Family and Friends passes Delta asseses a fare based on this: domestic flights are 3 cents per airmile, and international is 1.5 cents per airmile. One way between Atlanta and Washington is approx 17 dollars!! Now here is the catch: An employee caught selling a Family and Friends pass can be subject to TERMANATION!!! And DL is very strict that one traveling on these passes must be leisure only!!! Put it this way my Friends and Family love me!!
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 6:15 am

Hm, I don't wanna do something illegal, I guess I'll just have to use my natural charm and become friends with someone in the airline business. Is there some dating-box with many airline employees? > 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 6:18 am

This is so true. A friend of mine was f/a'ing for Emirates in Dubai and her best friend over there was sacked for scamming the buddy passes. All this girl did, was give one of her other f/a friends a buddy pass, so her brother could fly to Dubai from Australia. When EK found out about this, the brother was in Singapore. The ticket was promptly cancelled, the guy had to pay his own way back to Australia and the friend was immediately terminated, and had to pay her own way back to Australia. Selling non-rev tickets is not worth losing a great benefit which so very few people in the world are able to access.
 
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Not True

Tue May 30, 2000 6:56 am

one of the previous posts said you have to be in the family to non-rev. I non-reved with my best friend and his mom is a FA. but I was a D3 and i had to pay a little bit of money
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RE: Not True

Tue May 30, 2000 7:01 am

You don't have to be in a family. Usually immediate family flies under the employees direct benefits. Each airline usually gives an alottment of passes for family or friends, and the employee can give to whomever they wish, but just don't sell these for a profit!!
 
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Other Airlines?

Tue May 30, 2000 7:30 am

For Delta it is not free til you work there for 10 years. It is 15 dollars a day of traveling, and you get a certain amount of free flights each year. And it goes up every year(Free Flights). Me, my 18 year old brother, my 8 year old brother and my dad flew to Munich for a day to go skiing, and we got first all the way. You can work your schedule around your flying and usually get first if you want to. I calculated the amount it would cost for my family to fly all te nonreving we have within two years and it was over $300,000. WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS LIKE ON OTHER AIRLINES???
 
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RE: Non-rev Airlines

Tue May 30, 2000 7:50 am

Having non-revved on over 30 carriers in my time, my honest opinion is that CO is the most helpful to interline staff. DL is great if you are a DL employee, but they treat other airline staff like crap, especially out of their hubs. Other positive experiences have been with AA and NW, with negative experiences on AZ and BA.
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 10:37 am

On American, employees and their immediate family get unlimited travel for a small service charge (approx. half-cent per mile - SAN-JFK=$12.00). First class is a little bit more. We also get 24 one-way passes per year to give to friends and extended family at slightly higher service charges. On the buddy passes (D-3s), First class and coach are the same fare if it is a 2-class flight. For an example of the fares we pay, I recently took a trip SAN-ORD-LGA/JFK-SJU-SDQ-MIA-RSW-MIA-LAX-SAN. I was in First for SJU-SDQ-MIA (it was full on the other flights). The trip cost about $75 or so (including taxes, PFCs, and international fees), but was worth about $2200. My friend was flying on a D-3 pass and was on all the same flights, except he flew IND-ORD instead of SAN-ORD. His trip cost about $200, and would have been just as cheap if we had flown First all the way. After an employee has been with the company for 25 years, as my father has, the employee and spouse each travel free in coach and pay only the fare difference for First or Business.

The boarding priority at American has nothing to do with seniority; rather, it is based on check in time within your classification. Company business and personal emergeny travel (A-passes) go first, then D-1 (employees or family, once per year), then D-2 (employees or family on all other trips), then D-3 (buddy passes), then oneworld interliners, then other interliners. I think that this is a fair system (no bias here - I would always be on top of the list if it was seniority!) because I don't think that people should have to spend days at the airport just because they're new, yet have longer-time employees board first who checked in 2 days later.

American imposes no restrictions on the cabin we travel in, other than the dress code, which is stricter for First/Business, and that children under 6 must fly coach domestically and children under 12 must fly coach internationally.

I personally fly about $30,000 or so worth of travel every year, yet I spend more money travelling between Purdue and Indianapolis to catch a flight ($33 round trip) then I spend on the air travel itself.
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 10:50 am

Some of my own non-revenue travel horror stories from AA:

About five years ago I checked in at TUL for a flight to ORD....I was number 212 on the list as a D-1. There was only four flights that day. I didn't go anywhere that weekend.

Also about five years ago, I had to spend three days at PHX because all of the flights to ORD and DFW were sold out. I never fly to PHX anymore on a pass after this.

Non-revenue travel has it's advantages and disadvantages. If you've got all the time in the world, it's great. Otherwise it can be an extreme pain.

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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 11:02 am

Four destinations that buddy pass people want to go to are also four cities that nonrevs cannot get to (because of the full flights). London,Las Vegas,Honolulu and Orlando.
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 11:08 am

DL mech, as far as LAS the last flight from ATL at 11:50pm departure is almost a guarentee, and as far as the return. Take your choice at any of the redeyes. I agree with HNL, you had better keep you alternative cities ready (SFO-HNL)(LAX-HNL)!!!
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 11:15 am

My bst non-rev stories...

My longest trip ever: 36 hours from start to finish
Returning home from a spring break trip in high school, I flew Hartford, CT (BDL) to Chicago, only to find out that, not only were the flights to SAN full, but the non-rev lists were closed! After talking to an agent, my best chances were assessed as being going to DFW, then heading to SAN from there. After arrival to DFW, I found that I was unable to get to the connecting gate in time, and all other SAN flights were full for the night. So too, by the way, were all flights to Southern California full (LAX, LGB, SNA, PSP, BUR, etc.) I spent the night in Dallas and, after determining that it was my only viable option, I flew DFW-DCA-JFK (only 150 miles from where my trip started a day and a half earlier)-SAN!

My first stab at flying an ID-90:
Heading to Hawaii last summer to visit a friend and do some Cessna-flying, I was worried by the high loads on AA flights and bought ID-90s on two airlines with more flights, Hawaiian and United. After getting to LAX on American Eagle, I inquired about AAs flight to HNL and was told that a full load had already checked in. In light of this, I headed over to the flight that I considered my best prospect, a United 747 that was the first flight of the day. When I checked in, the ticket agent said to me, "This shouldn't be a problem... there are 75 seats open. Oh, wait a second, there are 125 people on the standby list, and you're the only one that's not with UA." Hearing this, I headed over to Hawaiian to try their first flight. i knew I wasn't going to get that one when the captain came off of the plane to let his son know that the flight was full, so I went back to United. I finally got on a United flight that departed late morning or early afternoon (quite possibly my last flight on the DC-10... I love that plane!)

The real adventure came on the trip home... I checked loads, and determined that my best chance was to fly HNL-ORD-SAN, so that's how I listed. Just in case, I checked in early enough to take the afternoon flights to LAX or SFO, but they both went full. I hung around and tried the ORD flight, but to no avail. Shortly thereafter, American's two flights to Dallas left oversold. I found out that American's Maui-LAX flight had seats on it, but didn't have time to catch a Hawaiian flight to Kahalui in time to connect, so I checked on the Hawaiian flight to LAX. After it left the gate without me, I went to United and was bumped off of their LAX flight, and again off of their next LAX flight. After that LAX flight, an announcement was made that the last LAX flight of the night was full, so all stand-bys were rolled onto the SFO flight, a 747-400 with plenty of seats. Despite the fact that I was ticketed HNL-LAX, United agents gracefully allowed me to use the pass to San Francisco, with the stern warning that "If you take this flight, we're not responsible for getting you to LAX... you're on your own in San Francisco." I got on this flight, and it was totally full. It was also my first (and hopefully my last!) flight on a 747. After arrival in San Francisco the next morning, I tried desperately to get out... but AA was packed. I tried everything they had... DFW, ORD, JFK, BOS, MIA... everything, but they were all full. Out of desparation, I started callin airlines and spent more money on a single flight than I ever had before in all my life... $125 to fly Southwest from San Francisco to San Diego. As much as I loved Hawaii, I was glad to be home!
 
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RE: Non Rev Stories

Tue May 30, 2000 11:51 am

Some of my more creative non-rev routings have been ORD-DSM-MKE-MSN-LSE-MSP-ORD on UA/AA/NW(supposed to be a day-trip to MSN to meet friends for lunch but w/x diversions intervened) and BDL-LGA-CMH-CLE-ATL (because I was too cheap to spring for a hotel and preferred to fly a delayed HP flight to CMH than wait for a DL non-stop the next morning). And just two weeks ago, I wound up having to redirect myself three times through CLE thanks to East Coast weather.
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 11:52 am

"Non-reving can be the easiest thing in the world to do--if you play your cards right."

"Follow these easy steps to Summer travel, and you will lead a much lower-stress, non-rev life:"

1) Don't travel too much during July, August, and the latter part of June. Try and limit your vacations to the off season. Not only will you be able to get onboard an aircraft, but you will also have the destination virtually to yourself. No "ugly American" tour groups snapping pictures by the Eiffel Tower--if you travel in September. Just you and the gay Parisians.

2) If you must travel during the summer, try to avoid mid-day travel on Friday, and all day Sunday (year-round). If you are going to one of the vacation "hot spots," it's easiest to do so on a late Friday night flight. When returning from a "hot spot", try to schedule your return for the following Wednesday or Thursday.

3) Plan your trip around the aircraft you will be flying. If given the option of a smaller, 100-seat aircraft non-stop, or 300-seat aircraft connecting at a hub, choose the flight which connects. If you do so, you may arrive at your destination a few hours later than the non-stop, but larger aircraft are equipped with larger premium cabins, and generally have lower passenger loads.

4) Be sure to schedule your flight with a backup plan or two, in mind. If your trip is, for example, RDU-DFW-LAX, keep in mind that flying RDU-LGA-BUF-ORD-RNO-LAX is a very good (and entertaining) alternative.

5) If you are within 2 hours of your major airline's hub, yet have a fairly well served airport right in your town, always opt to drive to the hub. The flight (hence backup) possibilities are endless, and you generally can find a seat out of a hub airport.

6) This is probably the most important tip of all. ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THE LOADS LOOK LIKE FOR THE ENTIRE DAY'S SCHEDULE. Only an idiot would show up to an airport and expect to hop onboard their desired flight. If you didn't check the loads, you'd likely spend your entire weekend at a crummy airport waiting to board a flight.

[an exerpt from "Non-Reving for Dummies", available online at http://www.amazon.com]

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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 12:40 pm

Okay, if you are an airline employee (or immediate fam member) and don't want to (or absolutely cannot) go through the hassle of a non-rev ticket or an ID-90, can you buy an 'employee discount' regular fare ticket that will guarantee you a seat on a specific flight?
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 1:14 pm

Nope. If you want a guaranteed seat, you have to pay the full fare just like everyone else.

The airline is out to make money. If it's going to guarantee a seat they are going to want $$$ for it.

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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 1:29 pm

At American, they offer a fare called the ID-20, which is available to anyone who is eligible for D-2 travel. The ID-20 is a 20% discount off of any published fare, and is valid for confirmed seating. Travelling on an ID-20, employees are eligile for all perks of travel, including AAdvantage miles, denied boarding compensation, and Admiral's Club/Flagship Lounge entrance if flying First or Business. I have used this once, when I wanted a confirmed seat home from school for Thanksgiving. AA had the lowest regular fare, so I took it with the ID-20.
 
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RE:

Tue May 30, 2000 1:36 pm

Delta started a program about a year ago that allows employees to buy regular tickets on Delta for a 20% discount. The catch is, you can only get 20% off a fare that the general public could buy. So, if you are stuck at the airport and need to buy a ticket for that day, you can only get 20% off a full Y fare. But if you are stuck, chances are Y fares aren't available anyway.
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 3:42 pm

Can you non-rev with an airline's partner or is it within company only?
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 4:53 pm

I don't know about total non revenue i.e. FOC, but you can certainly travel on a rebated basis. ID90,ID75 or ID50 which is bookable. ID90 & ID75 (%) tickets are on a space available basis only. Most airlines have reciprocal agreements on sub-load travel but you can definitely travel with companies within an alliance like Star or One World.
 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Tue May 30, 2000 9:40 pm

In response to an earlier post, Delta employees receive a certain number of free travel days from their start date. My friend has worked for Tech Ops for 2 years now, and he receives 6 high priority days, 6 regular travel days, and 6 trans-oceanic travel days. He also gets a Companion pass, which I have, which gives me 6 high priority, and unlimited other passes. However, I do have to pay the yield fare.

Employees also get to travel non-rev. on Air France flights, and vice versa due to the new alliance between the airlines. There is a small charge for that.

 
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Wed May 31, 2000 12:41 am

And to think that I had such awe for you people! Now that I know you're flying for next to nothing, it takes away some of the respect!
 
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RE:

Wed May 31, 2000 1:49 am

The term Non-Rev. Means that the involved Ticket or rather the flight coupons will not be calculated into the flown revenue of the involved airline or the airline that lifts that coupon. This is done in the revenue accounting department.

Most major airlines consider everything that falls into the ID (Industry discount) below the ID75 as non revenue.

Just to give you an idea about the different ID's:

You have for example an ID00 which is a free of charge ticket where only non airline taxes (like the airport taxes, or passenger service charges..etc.) must be paid. This can be a ticekt given to an empolyee of the company or other airlines, or it can be a customer ( Godwill, for example) or it can be a person from a related industry like a good travel agent for example.

The ID90 (or like some US airlines like UA, they have ID95) is the standard standby ticket for Airline Staff. Usually standby only this means the person can't book this ticket only listings can be done as to take the person into consideration for catering and weight and balance preparations.

The ID75 is usaually given to related family memebrs of the staff (like Parents, brother, sister...etc.) and is usually stand by only.
Another famous ID75 is the so called AD75 which is an Agent Discount and is usually booked (confirmed reservation)

ID50 are also offered but nowadays only interesting in F or Business class due to high price.

Whatever an ID is, in all cases they are calculated out of the IATA full fare tarifs this makes them quite high especially in Economy.

The passeger travelling with an ID ticket (whoever he is, Staff, customer, ...etc.) is always a person avaiable for disembarkation (PAD) and even if booked, he can be denied boarding in extreme cases. Of course there are lists of priority that airlines use where certain priorities are given by inserting a number in the ticket to make it easy to the check in person to deceide who to accept first after the closure of the check in (usually done at the gate for critical flights) modern checkin equipment automatically does this, it recognises the number and sorts out the priorites.

Rgds
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Wed May 31, 2000 2:34 am

On SR you get 2 ID100's an year! Thye can be used in business class! A GVA-ZRH-EWR-LAX-HNL-OGG-SFO-ATL-ZRH-GVA only cost 215 Swiss Francs in Business class on SR and Y on Delta unless you are upgraded)

Jeremiah Teahan


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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon Jun 05, 2000 11:10 am

On Delta, it is absolutly free in any class, including Business elite! The hardest part is just finding an open seat. Also, we can fly on Air France for free, aside from a very small zone fee. It is the same with several other airlines. It is a very nice benefit if you like to travel.
 
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RE: DL_Mech's Impossible List

Mon Jun 05, 2000 12:17 pm

I got out to HNL just fine, but I followed a non-rev rule not mentioned as of yet.
The number one rule is...Always fly on holidays!
It's pretty much a sure thing. I got out on NW from MSP to HNL on January 1st! Have gotten to Dallas on New Years Day, Christmas, and Thanksgiving. The Fourth of July wasn't bad either. Easter has worked in the past. Just stay away from other Sundays. That's hell.

Also, regarding DL_mech's list, add Phoenix to the list of cities that are impossible to get to with non-revving, especially in the winter at night. Leaving Phoenix in March/April to northern cities is also awful, with the Return of The Snowbirds.

Another tip for making it with non-revving...Find cities in between with good air service. There was a reason I flew NRT-LAX-MSP instead of a direct flight.

Finally, when all else fails, walk around the terminal. This worked for my stepdad and I when we were trying to get out of MSY after Mardi Gras. After we didn't get on our NW flights, we walked around the B concourse and found a WN flight to MDW (stopping in IND), then connected to a wide-open NW flight to MSP. We got home 10 hours later than expected, but the trip was a blast.

Good luck to all you non-revers out there.

NWA Man
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RE: "Non Rev": What Is This?

Mon Jun 05, 2000 4:17 pm

I'M SORRY TO SAY, BUT AS A UAL EMPLOYEE OR "NON REV" I MUST CORRECT THE STATEMENT ABOUT NON REVS RECIEVING 5 OR 10% OFF A TICKET PRICE. A TRUER STATEMENT WOULD BE WE PAY 5 OR 10% OF THE TICKET PRICE. WE MERELY PAY THE TAXES. THE REST IS FREE.

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