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767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:17 am

I have seen several references within this forum to UA using a 767 from BUR to ORD. When was this, what 767 derivative was used, and how did the flight do? Have any other passenger airlines ran anything as large as a 767 into BUR? Thanks in advance for any comments...
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting ZChannel (Thread starter):
I have seen several references within this forum to UA using a 767 from BUR to ORD. When was this, what 767 derivative was used, and how did the flight do? Have any other passenger airlines ran anything as large as a 767 into BUR? Thanks in advance for any comments...

While not a passenger airline, FedEx runs a daily A300 into BUR and I have seen multiple private 767s there. The 767 used on ORD-BUR was a 762A, much like the ones United used on LAX/SFO-JFK up until they retired the types and introduced p.s.
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:41 am

It was around 1985-86-- I'll check. So plain-vanilla 767-222s were all they had then.
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:01 pm

That's interesting indeed..what type of restrictions whould such an aircraft have at this airport? Which runway did they use? I would think that an A300 would be considered a "bigger" plane in terms of taxi-space and all that?? I guess a pax plane would be more (pax + cargo) to deal with than just cargo?
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:21 pm

iirc i flew on a psa tristar back when i was a kid from bur to san....
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting LanPeru (Reply 3):
Which runway did they use?

The only runway you can take of from with any sort of weight at BUR is 15, so unless bad Santa Ana's came in and they had to divert to LAX or ONT, they were going from 15

Quoting LanPeru (Reply 3):
I guess a pax plane would be more (pax + cargo) to deal with than just cargo?

Actually, all cargo planes often carry more weight than PAX planes.
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
While not a passenger airline, FedEx runs a daily A300 into BUR and I have seen multiple private 767s there. The 767 used on ORD-BUR was a 762A, much like the ones United used on LAX/SFO-JFK up until they retired the types and introduced p.s.

UA never ran the 67 into BUR....they had 2x a day lgb-ord.......i used to play the 9 hole course across the street and and hop on the 4pm to ord.....
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:38 pm

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 6):
UA never ran the 67 into BUR....they had 2x a day lgb-ord.......i used to play the 9 hole course across the street and and hop on the 4pm to ord.....

Un true. UA most definately used to run a 762 into BUR
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:42 pm

beg to differ....ua only ran the 737 on the bur-ord route....if u have a link to the ua timetable back in the late 80s early 90s i will forever call you the "king" Smile...i used to work the ord-lgb flts on the 762 and the ord-bur runs on the 733
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 8):
beg to differ....ua only ran the 737 on the bur-ord route....if u have a link to the ua timetable back in the late 80s early 90s i will forever call you the "king" ...i used to work the ord-lgb flts on the 762 and the ord-bur runs on the 733

I am trying to find pictures, but I have spoken to people who flew on the route with the 762
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:15 pm

N1120A,
like i said....show me a picture or time timetable of a 67 in bur to ord and you will be the king Smile....worked plenty of 733 to bur and 762 to lgb and even dc8s to ont from ord i stopped counting....even the milk runs to lax from ord....ord-sba-lax on the 727-100...ord-ont-psp-lax-ont-ord,,,ord-sna-ont-ord
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:32 pm

UA ran the B762 for a shortwhile into BUR during the early/mid 80s, a few years after the entry of the 767-200 into service.

At the time UA still had a substantial DC-8 & DC-10 fleet so the 762s which were 2 class ran a bunch of what in todays world might be viewed as odd city pairs, not the transcons at which they ended their careers flying.
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:19 pm

laxintl,
please post a ua or oag time table that shows a 762 into bur from ord...or den....ual did not fly fly the 67 into bur......have called the former ual mgr(81-90) and he confirmed that ual never flew the 67 into bur from ord or den...i still say that we are confusing lgb for bur......i could be wrong but if your right i need the mega millions numbers Smile
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:37 pm

Uadc8contrail,

I have asked the same question on here before and was told that the 762 was parked (I want to say) either on the Signature or FedEx ramp directly across the runway from the UA gates and passengers were bussed to/from the terminal. Whether that's true or not...

True or not, I know I would have loved to have been on those flights! Still scratching my head as to how the boarding area would have held so many people!

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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:50 pm

The biggest plane that operates at BUR is a Fedex A300 that goes to Memphis and a UPS A300. NO 767 operates at BUR. There are no gates and no parking for that big of a Jet. Even the A300 barely fits at BUR. When the FEDEX A300 holds short of 15 for take off the wing tip is about 10 feet away from the perimeter fence.
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:21 pm

I guess the only way to prove UA did indeed briefly provide 762 service to BUR in the early/mid 80s is for some one to come up with an old OAG or timetable (did UA even list equipment in their old timetable format?).

As FLY777UAL mentioned there were parking issues with the 762 at BUR and the aircraft was remotely parked away from the terminal due to wing clearance from the runway.

Also as mentioned UADC8Contrail, BUR did receive large widebodies such as the PSA L-1011 which if memory serves me right did operate on a SFO-BUR-SAN routing for a brief time. In addition other large aircraft of the day like B707s, DC-8s and Convair 880/990s made appearances at BUR.

Over the years BUR has seen multiple other widebodies show up on diversions and charters.

Also Lockheed made regular use of the Burbank airport to provide sales showings / demo flights of its L-1011s during the early years as the company had quite large facilities at the airport (it was hence called the Lockeed Air Terminal in those days) which included the famous "skunk works" for the U-2 and SR-71.
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:56 pm

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1702991

is from 2004...three people say they remember flights...might be worth it to see if they have an OAG? One even says it was twice daily...

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RE: 767's At BUR?

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:14 pm

i am proof, i flew on the 767 from bur-ord on united, and i am the one that posted it. i know the exact date, what a second to count back the years. july 7/8 ish 1986. was on a family trip fourth of july to yosemite, when we got back to l.a., relative had passed away in phl, so we traveled back last minute on united. ua at that time used gates A7/A8, and a bus was used to take pax across the airport to where the fedex A300 parks now. there were two flights, early morning and afternoon departures. i think the flight number was like ua286 or 226, cant remember. when bur lost their 767 service, it was shifted to lgb. i even remember the on board service, beverages were served and audio sold about that time. just over the vegas area a hot lunch was served while in flight programming began. about an hour out of ord another beverage service. the a/c continued on to dtw i am almost sure of.

on a different note, i have searched and searched, but when i opened the swa station in bur 4/16/90, we used gate A5 which had a jetway at the time. united was still high A gates, but, one day, a 737-300 loading for denver was tagged by a fuel truck and the left engine completely separated from the nacelle. anyway to look that up or find pictures?
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 10):
show me a picture or time timetable of a 67 in bur to ord and you will be the king

The BUR-ORD 767s aren't in the 4/86 OAG but they are (two a day) in the 5/86 UA timetable. They're in the 11/86 OAG (and some in between), then the 12/86 shows them cutting back to one 767 a day eff 14 Dec.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2218237

Offhand I don't know when the 767 got replaced by one or two 733s, but it was soon after that.
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 18):
Offhand I don't know when the 767 got replaced by one or two 733s, but it was soon after that.

I think it was in Spring '87. I took a roundtrip to BUR in mid-May '87 (I remember the month because I was going to a wedding where I was the best man) on a UA 733 from ORD, the pilot gave me quick tour of the "new" cockpit before I deplaned. The previous summer (not sure of the month) I had taken a roundtrip to BUR from ORD on a UA 762.
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:53 am

Thanks Flyboy and Leelaw for your personal recollections, and Timz for the OAG verification.

I think we can close this case for those non believers of UAs B767 service at BUR!

With all these discussions in regards to Burbank, got me think of how at one time Burbank was the primary airport in the Western US and the end point of historic initial transcon flying for carriers such as TWA. Before the development of LAX (known as Mines Field), Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:58 am

other question though, anybody have any info on that B737 getting bumped and the engine gettin knocked off, had to have been apr/may/jun 1990
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.

I formerly had the same notion. However, someone in another thread made a convincing argument that most of the traffic and all trans-con shifted to LAX in 1946/47.

[Edited 2006-01-17 00:09:53]
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
With all these discussions in regards to Burbank, got me think of how at one time Burbank was the primary airport in the Western US and the end point of historic initial transcon flying for carriers such as TWA. Before the development of LAX (known as Mines Field), Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.

That's pretty interesting. I had no idea my home airport had such a rich history...
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 14):
The biggest plane that operates at BUR is a Fedex A300 that goes to Memphis and a UPS A300. NO 767 operates at BUR. There are no gates and no parking for that big of a Jet. Even the A300 barely fits at BUR. When the FEDEX A300 holds short of 15 for take off the wing tip is about 10 feet away from the perimeter fence.

The AB6 is larger than the 762 and the same size as the 763

Quoting ZChannel (Reply 23):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
With all these discussions in regards to Burbank, got me think of how at one time Burbank was the primary airport in the Western US and the end point of historic initial transcon flying for carriers such as TWA. Before the development of LAX (known as Mines Field), Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.

That's pretty interesting. I had no idea my home airport had such a rich history...

The big shift actually happened in 1946, but yeah, BUR is definately a historical airport.
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
Before the development of LAX (known as Mines Field), Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region.

Except for Grand Central. That was AA's airport for most of the 1930s I think-- and maybe longer?
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
The AB6 is larger than the 762 and the same size as the 763

I't true that the body is longer than the 762 and same as the 763 but the wing span, which counts at small airports such as BUR, is much bigger than the A300

147ft for A300 and 180ft for the 763 and 159 for 762. So the A300 is no where near the size of the 763.
 
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RE: 767's At BUR?

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 26):
I't true that the body is longer than the 762 and same as the 763 but the wing span, which counts at small airports such as BUR, is much bigger than the A300

147ft for A300 and 180ft for the 763 and 159 for 762. So the A300 is no where near the size of the 763.

I think you might have gotten a few numbers confused...

The 767-200: length of 159' 2", wingspan of 156' 1"
The 767-300: length of 180' 3", wingspan of 156' 1"
The A300: length of 177' 5", wingspan of 147' 1"

When you look at it, the A300 is nine feet smaller than the 763 wingspan, and less than three feet shorter than the length of the 763...not quite the "nowhere near the size..."

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RE: 767's At BUR?

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 26):
I't true that the body is longer than the 762 and same as the 763 but the wing span, which counts at small airports such as BUR, is much bigger than the A300

147ft for A300 and 180ft for the 763 and 159 for 762. So the A300 is no where near the size of the 763.

Actually, there is only a 9 foot difference in wing span. You were looking at body length. The wingspan is 147'1" for the A300-600, and it is 156'1" for both the 762 and 763. The A300-600 is 177'5" long but has a wider fuselage than the 2'10" longer 763, while the 762 (which is the one UA flew into BUR) is 159'2" long. Beyond this, constraints at BUR are not on wing span, as the taxiways are built for all kinds of aircraft, including the Lockheed L1011-500 which has a 164'4" wing span. The constraints are on physical aircraft size because of lack of ramp capacity around the gates. For example, if a 767 or A300 were to park at one of the Southwest gates, it would damn near interfere with 8/26, just as it would interfere with 15/33 if parked at one of the United gates. Hence they used to park them at the FedEx cargo or FBO ramps (as the executive 767s and the FedEx A300 do now).
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