fubar37
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What Went Wrong (video)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:42 am

 
SWISSER
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:51 am

Hmmm...
Maybe the cops where following him.

More seriously,

He comes out of the turn on full throttle, it looks like he is intentionally making a right turn, turns, looses speed and lift in the process and then probably gets caught by the current.
You can hear him cutting the throttle even before the plane twists to the left,
so I assume he was 100% aware what was happening, but still a daredevil.
Shame, I like those planes very much!
What time is top of descent?
 
UAL747
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:06 am

I think the audio is most likely fake.

To me, I think someone was getting too carried away with having fun with a seaplane.

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mtyfreak
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:56 am

Was there a pilot on that seaplane??
Only here for the beer...
 
fubar37
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:02 pm

I agree that the audio is fake. Has to be. Sounds too much like a movie and is not really consistant with the distance that the camera man is from the accident.

I wish I could see the whole video.
 
RubyMtn738
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:38 pm

Here is the story!

Please note that contrary to the comments of the reporter, the pilot of
the Goose, Hoot Gibson, is a well-known stunt and airshow aviator who
enjoyed many years of flying after the incident.


WILD GOOSE
Back in the "olden days", when Tamarindo was a small village and everyone
knew everyone else, filmmaker Bruce Brown chose the town to shoot a
segment for his new movie "Endless Summer II". The sequel to the famous
surfing movie "Endless Summer" came a generation later than the original,
and, of course, featured new stars: Wingnut and Pat O'Connor, together
with one of the originals, Robert August.


Living in Flamingo at that time was a pilot, "Hoot" Gibson, who had spent
several years obtaining his commercial license in Costa Rica. Hoot owned a
vintage Grumman Goose seaplane, relic of World War II, and intended to
charter it for tours. Given the state of the roads then - and not much
improved since - a seaplane seemed the way to go to explore a country
surrounded by sea.


Robert August had a fine idea: To charter the Goose to fly the film crew
and its surfers around the coasts of Costa Rica, Nicaragua and Panama,
looking for unknown or little-known surf spots to shoot their sequences.
Apart from being much faster to cover more area, the aircraft was highly
superior to a boat, which could only examine the waves from the "back", or
ocean, side whereas a 'plane could approach from the landward side, too.
"Endless Summer II" was Hoot's first charter in Costa Rica, and was to
last two weeks.


On the first day, the Goose took off from the airport. The plan was to fly
out to Cabo Velas, return along Playa Grande and land in the bay near
Tamarindo estuary, where the crew would board, then to take off on their
adventures.


The camera crew set up on Tamarindo Beach, ready to shoot the approach and
landing for the movie. But instead of flying from Cabo Velas, approaching
Tamarindo from the west along the Playa Grande coastline, the big Grumman
twin came roaring down the river from the north, putting on a show for the
camera. On board were the pilot, "Hoot" Gibson, and local resident and
California board shaper, the late Mike "Doc" Diffenderfer.


Approaching Tamarindo, the pilot started a right turn to follow the
estuary, but his height was insufficient. Presumably he suddenly became
aware of the power lines which cross the river at that point, and was
forced to fly below them. The right pontoon caught the water, and jerked
the aircraft to the right. Overcorrecting, the pilot put the left float
into the water, and the aircraft swerved to that side.


Gibson applied full take-off power to get the aircraft back into the air,
but it careered from the river onto the beach, where it ground-looped and
came to a stop. The whole incident was filmed, and eventually became part
of the movie.


"At this point," said August, "we saw fuel spraying from the aircraft onto
the sand, and there was a distinct danger of a fire or explosion. As we
approached the 'plane, the doors opened and Hoot and Doc jumped out,
fortunately both unhurt. From a nearby beach house, a resident came
running, carrying a big club and shouting at the pilot that he was in a
national park, and polluting the beach. We managed to calm him down, and
the incident ended at that point."


Eyewitness Dean Butterfield adds: "I was up the hill looking over the
estuary, watching Hoot Gibson fly the plane through it. He was doing touch
and go's in the estuary, I was wondering why he felt he had to do that in
there. As he came out to the mouth I think he saw the cable stretched
across at the last minute and tried to duck under it. He caught the wing
tip and stuffed it into the sand.


By the time I got down to it, there were a lot of people around. I took
pictures and made a T-shirt from one."


Officials of Minae also attended the site very shortly after the accident,
and charged the pilot with flying in a protected zone (Parque Marina las
Baulas). As a result, Gibson's license, obtained over several years, was
withdrawn after one brief flight.


"As it happened, the club-bearing resident did quite well out of the
crash." August continues. "The plane suffered damage to a wing and one of
the propellers, and parts for a vintage seaplane are not procured at your
local NAPA store, so the aircraft had to sit for a year or so while
repairs were made. During this time the aircraft was parked in the
resident's back garden, he and his family being paid for caretaker duty
against theft or vandalism. I believe someone of the family slept in their
garden ornament every night."


The day after the accident, filming continued with a scene where supposed
crash passengers August, Wingnut and Pat O'Connor climb cheerfully from
the Goose, carrying their boards, and run off to the surf.


Seriously concerned that accident investigators or other officials might
confiscate the film shot up to that point, Director Bruce Brown hired a
friend to hop a Sansa flight to San José, thence to Los Angeles for
processing. Fortunately, the film escaped customs examination but,
arriving in Los Angeles, it was delayed a couple of days en route for the
processing studio by the Rodney King riots, which occurred in the vicinity
of the studio.


The Goose was eventually repaired and flown out of Tamarindo.
 
mtyfreak
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:01 pm

Nice!!

Thanx for sharing!
Only here for the beer...
 
JBirdAV8r
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:01 am

Doesn't Hoot, an ex-Space Shuttle driver, still fly for WN?

IIRC, he owns a Cassutt and lives around MBT nowadays.
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OPNLguy
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 7):
Doesn't Hoot, an ex-Space Shuttle driver, still fly for WN?

Yes, he does... (Just spoke to him the other day...)

The other question is which "Hoot Gibson" are we talking about?

There's another who was flying that TWA 727-100 that went into the dive back in the 1970s...

There are probably other pilots with the last name of Gibson that some may call "Hoot" so it's hard to know exactly who was involved with this seaplane deal...
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JBirdAV8r
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:27 am

Good point, OPNLguy.

As a matter of fact, according to the FAA the "real" Hoot Gibson is only certified ASEL and AMEL, not AMES, so it's probably a different guy.
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RubyMtn738
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:09 am

Sounds like this happened around 93 or 94?

Where was the TWA Hoot at that time? I had heard he was hanging around Vegas for a while.

Will the real Hoot Gibson please stand up Smile

Ruby
 
edelag
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:46 am

This same video is on Video.Google.com
Here's the link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=6444825763630376550&q=plane+crash
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rolfen
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:23 am

What a pity, it really hurts to see such a thing. The pilot must have felt real bad.
Thanks for sharing the story, Rubymtn738.

[Edited 2006-01-17 02:25:15]
rolf
 
SWISSER
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting Rubymtn738 (Reply 5):
The Goose was eventually repaired and flown out of Tamarindo.

Nice story!
That covers it up!
I' am glad that the old nugget is back in the sky and water where it belongs!
What time is top of descent?
 
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Rubymtn738 (Reply 5):
From a nearby beach house, a resident came
running, carrying a big club and shouting at the pilot that he was in a
national park, and polluting the beach.

Isn't that *just* like an enviromoron? Somebody crashes a plane, and all he can yammer about is pollution.

It reminds of the ValuJet crash. I seem to recall wackos who actually complained that the crash hurt some wildlife. But hey, alligators are people too. Cold blooded, but people...
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BCAL707
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:31 pm

Does anyone have the details, or a link to the details of the TWA 727-100 "dive" mentioned above?
THANKS!
 
OPNLguy
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting BCAL707 (Reply 15):
Does anyone have the details, or a link to the details of the TWA 727-100 "dive" mentioned above?
THANKS!

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19790404-0
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BCAL707
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:56 pm

Thanks OPNLguy for the link. It's interesting that at the very bottom of the article is says ..."flight controls on the B727-100 aircraft was claimed to have caused the crash" when in reality, it looks like they recovered (with not a lot of room to spare) in time, so there was no crash, and aircraft was apparently not written off.

Is there a story behind the pilot, also a Hoot Gibson? Was he a hero for recovering or did he become infamous?

Simply curious.

Thanks very much.
 
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting BCAL707 (Reply 17):
Was he a hero for recovering or did he become infamous?

A bit of both. Obviously a nice piece of airmanship getting out of the dive, but NTSB attributed the cause to him, which ALPA disputed. There's a link to the full NTSB report at the earlier link I gave you. I seem to recall the aircraft involved previously had some kind of L/E slat problem, and ALPA felt that the incident flight had another occurance from the same cause.
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RE: What Went Wrong (video)

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:17 pm




Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 18):
I seem to recall the aircraft involved previously had some kind of L/E slat problem,

I remember hearing something about 727 pilots deploying a degree or so of LE flaps to somehow improve cruising speed/efficiency. Did that incident have anything to do with this (unapproved) practice?




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