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SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:07 pm

I always like flying on small planes. I think of it as "real flying". But does it have to be uncomfortable? I got on the Sky West EMB120 in Denver for a short flight to Montrose, CO (to go skiing at Telluride). I am almost 6'3" tall and sitting in those seats is beyond ludicrous. There is no freakin' room. Are most EMB120's that bad?
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:21 pm

I agree. I always try to sit on the left side so it's both an isle and window.

A quick check of seatguru.com shows some comparables (their accuracy may not be 100%), but....
Skywest EMB-120 - 31" pitch, 17" width
A. Eagle Saab 340 - 29/30" pitch, 18" width
USAirways Jetstream - 30" pitch
Horizon DHC-8-200 - 31/32" pitch, 17" width
Northwest Saab - 30" pitch, 16" width (not sure why it shows narrower than Eagle's same plane, but ouch)
Delta ATR-72 - 31" pitch, 17" width

Hopefully trips are no more than 45 minutes or so. On the plus side, you're right, it can be more fun, plus altitude is lower which can give a better view.
 
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:22 pm

Were you expecting a Biz Class Seat with IFE and almost lie-flat capabilities?  Big grin
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 1):
USAirways Jetstream - 30" pitch

Not to be picky or anything, but US no longer has the Jetstream.

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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:58 pm

I'm 6'2, and fly in the EMB-120 every day. I'm not so sure what you find completely uncomfortable about it, but it is possible to make it a comfortable trip, especially in row 9 for the legroom. The only real row that I find it a challenge is the first.

However, like has been said, it's no business class.

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 1):

Hopefully trips are no more than 45 minutes or so. On the plus side, you're right, it can be more fun, plus altitude is lower which can give a better view.

We have some that are actually up to 70 minutes. Example is SFO-MFR.
 
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:31 pm

I've flown the EMB120 for a short while (as a pilot) and have flown in a regular pax seat often (I'm 6'3") but don't remember any discomfort, apart from the noise. It's actually the nicest turboprop that I've flown.

I don't know if you remember the Metroliner, with its 4'7" tall cabin and double the noise, but that was the generation of regional props before the Brasilia. It's quite a difference  Smile The smaller and older Jetstreams fit somewhere between the Metro and the Brasilia, in terms of technology.

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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Grbld (Reply 5):
I don't know if you remember the Metroliner, with its 4'7" tall cabin and double the noise, but that was the generation of regional props before the Brasilia.

Oh God, I wasn't even 5' tall (now I'm about 6'1"-6'2" and the Metroliner III is still the most uncomfortable aircraft I've ever been in... And for years it was the only aircraft I flew in (lots of SAN-FAT / ONT-FAT type stuff). I don't think I ever have had one bad word to say about the EMB120 or the Saab 340s -- they were the height of luxary until I discovered mainline jets, followed by widebody mainline jets. (I am also skinny as a twig, so that may be part of the reason)
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 4):
We have some that are actually up to 70 minutes. Example is SFO-MFR.

OUCH! I thought that was an RJ route.
 
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:08 am

I don't think 6'3" is considered an average height.
There will always be pax taller or bigger than the average.
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 7):
We have some that are actually up to 70 minutes. Example is SFO-MFR.

OUCH! I thought that was an RJ route.

That would be fun!!!
 
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I am almost 6'3" tall and sitting in those seats is beyond ludicrous.

The seats are not the problem, as shown above. If you want room, try to get a seat in Row 9 BC, that is the one with a lot of extra legroom. Note, the A side of Row 9 does not have the extra room

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
Are most EMB120's that bad?

They are basically all the same.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 8):
I don't think 6'3" is considered an average height.

Average height for males is 5'9", for women it is 5'3.75". I am 5'11" and do have to duck in the Brasilia, but once I am in a seat, they are pretty comfortable, particularly because they have a bit of recline to thme
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:21 am

I have flown both, AE's S340 (CLL-DFW) and SkyWest's EMB120 (CLL-IAH) and somehow I also found the Embraer to more uncomfortable although the seat pitch seems to be bigger than in the Saabs. I think I flew in the double row, but I was lucky enough to have no neighbour so I could sit sideways.

I am 6'5" by the way.

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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I always like flying on small planes. I think of it as "real flying". But does it have to be uncomfortable? I got on the Sky West EMB120 in Denver for a short flight to Montrose, CO (to go skiing at Telluride). I am almost 6'3" tall and sitting in those seats is beyond ludicrous. There is no freakin' room. Are most EMB120's that bad?

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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Were you expecting a Biz Class Seat with IFE and almost lie-flat capabilities?

Nope, but I'll take this as joke, which I assume you meant.

Yes, I am aware that 9 B or C (which I flew back to Denver actually) has tons of leg room, but that is only because it is an emergency exit row. But you can't always get 9B or 9C. So Boeing 7E7, problem not solved.
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:16 pm

Actually on average SFO-MFR is about a 90 minute flight!!!!!

Approximately 330 miles!
 
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 14):
Actually on average SFO-MFR is about a 90 minute flight!!!!!

Approximately 330 miles!

It is blocked at 1:30-1:38. Given typical schedule padding and the typical cruise speed of the Brasilia at 583km/h (315 kts), the flight should actually be just a little more than an hour in the air
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:30 pm

I had one a few months ago that had an enroute time of around 1:55 due to enroute winds.
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
I had one a few months ago that had an enroute time of around 1:55 due to enroute winds.

Wow, crazy. What is the normal time, given that they are blocked for 1:30-1:38?
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:43 pm

Normally, they are early by a few minutes, but with the winds as bad as they were at the time, there was no avoiding it. I believe it was somthing like a 40-50 knot headwind the whole trip.

I had a jet the other day whose ETE was about 40 minutes longer than normal, as the jet stream was there from A to B. There really wasn't any way around it without dropping 10,000 feet and burning 2,500 pounds more fuel, or going 500 miles out of the way just to save a 1 minute and a couple hundred pound of burn. :P Sometimes, you just have to suck it up.
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
Sometimes, you just have to suck it up.

Or in this case, United does  Silly
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
It is blocked at 1:30-1:38. Given typical schedule padding and the typical cruise speed of the Brasilia at 583km/h (315 kts), the flight should actually be just a little more than an hour in the air

I have been on that flight on more than one occasion. Lets just say that 90 minutes IS the average FLIGHT TIME. That flight has been almost 2 hours once due to the winds.
 
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 1):
A. Eagle Saab 340 - 29/30" pitch, 18" width

Northwest Saab - 30" pitch, 16" width (not sure why it shows narrower than Eagle's same plane, but ouch)

Because they use a different seat manufacture. Also, as has been mentioned before Mesaba seats have much less padding.
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:04 am

How old are the EMB120's? What a waste of metal! I think it's time to send them to the scrap yard and replace them with some Dash 8's Q series!
 
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:32 am

They're no older than the dash 8. Of course, using your logic, why doesn't Northwest trash their DC-9's, Delta their 737's, UPS their DC-8's, etc. They don't because they are workhorses, and they are nowhere near retirement.
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 22):
How old are the EMB120's? What a waste of metal! I think it's time to send them to the scrap yard and replace them with some Dash 8's Q series!

Skywest will continue flying the EMB120's until the leases expire in a few years. As for the Dash 8's Skywest would probably rather wait for a replacement for the CRJ100/200 and replace the entire fleet with those.

I hear Bombardier is working on a replacement. Does anyone have more information?
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I always like flying on small planes. I think of it as "real flying".

The first time I saw one of the 120's, I thought, "Cool, this will be a neat experience." Well, after experiencing turbulence I thought was not possible, having my Ipod thrown across the plane after hitting an air pocket and having coke spilled all over me due to some untimely bumps, I now hate these things. My quarterly trip to Wyoming (PHX-SLC-CPR) is now something I dread. I really wish they would have at least on RJ a day going up there. I also tried to convince my co-workers to fly to DEN on WN since they are up there but the 4 hour drive kinda killed that idea.

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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 25):
The first time I saw one of the 120's, I thought, "Cool, this will be a neat experience." Well, after experiencing turbulence I thought was not possible, having my Ipod thrown across the plane after hitting an air pocket and having coke spilled all over me due to some untimely bumps, I now hate these things. My quarterly trip to Wyoming (PHX-SLC-CPR) is now something I dread. I really wish they would have at least on RJ a day going up there. I also tried to convince my co-workers to fly to DEN on WN since they are up there but the 4 hour drive kinda killed that idea.

Strange thing about turbulence is it can be at any altitude, so you can get it worse in a jet higher up. In fact, the most turbulence I had on that flight was not on the small EMB120, but on the big UA 772 as we were crossing 16,000 feet on our way into SEA from a high cruising altitude of 40,000 feet.
But, yes, no fun getting your Coke spilled. I hope you weren't wearing a suit  Wink
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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:55 pm

I use to fly United Express all the time STS-LAX-PSP on EMB120's the whole way. I was never bothered by them, and was always given a fun ride into PSP (though many didn't consider it fun.) We still seem them all the time here at PSP but sadly STS was pulled in 2000 or 2001 I believe. I can see how they would not be friendly to taller people.

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RE: SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks

Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:28 pm

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 26):
But, yes, no fun getting your Coke spilled. I hope you weren't wearing a suit

Not a suit but one of my nicer shirts. However, this occurred on CPR-SLC a few months back and I had a short layover for my PHX flight. As I was watching CNN Airport News, they said they had breaking news and it IMMEDIATELY cut to commercial. Now I have seen this happen in Atlanta's airport before so I grabbed my bag and headed down the concourse to a store that shows Fox News. The breaking news was the Jetblue gear malfunction out of BUR that eventually landed with complete perfection in LAX. Therefore, my turbulence/coke story seemed less important.

Regardless, I experience turbulence weekly but the 120's have a funny way of making it feel more.... powerless, I guess. Maybe I just need a few more flights on them.
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