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I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:06 am

Hey folks, wondering if anyone can help me.

I'm writing an essay on advertising and I cannot remember what airline had the "Fly me" slogan. I have a feeling it was National, but does any know for sure. Also, would anybody know where I could find some imagery relating to this?

Thanks a million,
Patrick
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:10 am

National Airlines, it was! I don't have any links to imagery, unfortunately.



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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:10 am

You are correct, sir. It was National Airlines that used this slogan in '60s advertisements. Pretty risque, huh?
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:16 am

you can do a search in google or yahoo....search for National Airlines...there is a website created by the former emplyoees and it's very interesting and enjoyable to read...great airline
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:18 am

The link to one NA web page:

http://www.geocities.com/nationalairlines1/

Cheers.

M.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:03 am

Were all the National acft given female names? Think I flew a -10 named Nancy once or twice.
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:13 am

"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:19 am

I am old enough to remember those now PC incorrect ads on TV and radio. That was back in the day when f/a's were almost all female, under 30, good looking, wore short skirts/sexier tops and with strict weight and appearance rules.
Back then blantent 'sexual' suggestion to the men whom dominated many purchases was used to sell all kinds of products. Branniff and many international airlines in that era also had ads, uniforms for f/a's and so on with similar sexual overtones (think of the 'Singapore Girls' ads used until recent years). I even recall one of the last ads for British Calolinia in the mid-1980's in the UK where they had ads that showed businessmen in airline seats and with the line "I wish they were all Caladonia Girls", a play on the 1960's Beach Boys song "California Girls". Even by then such ads were losing favor due to pressures from women due to their sexist nature and not acknolging the the idea that women were increasly business flyers and making airline and other purchase decisions were sexual selling wouldn't be effective.
National mainly operated on the east coast of the USA with some other trancon and international routes. I believe in the 1970's and into the 1980's the tails of the aircraft had a sunburst design. It was taken over by Pan Am in the early 1980's (?) to gain domestic routes although it proved to be a bad move.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:05 am

Also, check out http://www.airchive.com/ look under the timetables section.

National Airlines was a great airline to fly with - the two 747s were named Linda and Patricia. I think one DC-10 was named Bud, for Bud Maytag, the chairman, after National came under fire for using their sexist "Fly me" campaign.

But it was one of the most memorable, and therefore effective, ad campaigns by an airline in the U.S.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
such ads were losing favor due to pressures from women due to their sexist nature

I know what you mean, sir.. but it's the way you say it! It's good there aren't many girls around here!  duck 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:13 am

This campaign ran all the way to the end of National in 1980. I remember on the side of a building in Greenway Plaza in Houston there was a National Fly Me advert the size of the building. I think towards the end it just had a photo of a F/A and all it said was "Fly Me, Fly National"
Many non-airline people have forgotten about National already, but many, many still remember the "Fly Me!" campaign. When released, the National Organization of Women (NOW) went totally beserk!
I personally thought it was a great campaign, the television adverts were some of the raciest of the time.. "I'm going to fly you like you've never been flown before!" said a girl in a sting bikini on the beach.....
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
Back then blantent 'sexual' suggestion to the men whom dominated many purchases was used to sell all kinds of products.

You might remember the slick magazine ads for a brand of bedding?

It showed an attractive female native American climbing out of a hammock on which an exhausted male native American still lay. The caption was their slogan: "A buck well-spent on a Springmaid Sheet"

It would never fly today, not for the sexual inuendo but for the "Buck" reference.
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:55 am

When I saw the headline and before opening the thread my guess was National. Took me 10 seconds to remember those ads from the beautiful days when the US was a bit more free than it is today with the PC, where you are not allowed to say what you think, and books like COFFEE, TEA OR ME sold well and even were filmed.

National was a great airline and the major shareholder was the Maytag family, their repair men had so much free time that they could double as airline mechanics.

And for those of you guys who suffer from PC, we offer asylum in Europe, where you can still watch ads like that on TV.

Just crosses my mind, is Sir Richard allowed to use his 346 which has the sticker "mine is longer" on US routes?


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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:03 am

National started the Fly Me campaign in Oct 1971. It lasted till 1975/76. Barbara was the name of their first DC-10-10 and the actress Kim Basinger was used on TV spots to advertise that same aircraft in 1971/72.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:16 am

Those were fun commercials, and eventhough the Fly Me campaign annoyed many members of NOW (National Organization of Women), the campaign was a huge commercial success and helped establish National as a major player on the NYC-Florida routes where competition was tough with much larger Eastern Airlines and Delta Airlines flying similiar routes. National, at the time, was flying 2 741s per day on the JFK-MIA route and numerous DC10s on routes from LGA/JFK/EWR to MIA/FLL/PBI/MCO.....lots of capacity.

Eventually, male and female names were used on the National fleet. Later National campaigns included: We"re National, and we are going to fly you live you have never been flown before, and then, National....take me, I am yours. All rather controversial, but attention grabbing slogans.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:01 am

My sister was a Fly Me girl...a 25-year NA/PA f/a (wow...now that's geek-speak!) She never got to see "Candi" on a plane, but did know a few of the women who did have their names emblazoned over the L1 and R1 doors of various 727s and DC-10s and 747s. (I can't remember--were the DC-8s still around for that campaign?)

And now the damned song is stuck in my head: "I'm National fly meeeee..in the great blue sky..."

Personally, I thought "Coast to coast to coast" was more clever...
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 15):
(I can't remember--were the DC-8s still around for that campaign?)

Two DC8 Super 60s were in the NA fleet during the FLY ME era, and were named......the Super 60s generally flew from Florida cities to MSY and IAH and sometimes on to the West Coast once the DC10s were introduced.

Quoting Maury (Reply 15):
And now the damned song is stuck in my head: "I'm National fly meeeee..in the great blue sky..."

Funny, me too! Come on and Fly Me, together we'll fly high, etc etc.....
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
Eventually, male and female names were used on the National fleet

Among the former are the following:

-Jerry Lewis (DC-10-10, N64NA)
-Bing Crosby (DC-10-30, N80NA)
-Sammy Davis Jr. (DC-10-30, N82NA)

Now if the people of France had a say, they'd be up in arms that Mr. Lewis was short-changed. Only a series -10! Sacre bleu!  hissyfit 

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BTW, there's also the unisex "Chris" (727-235, N4752), but the remainder are women's names. (source - JP Airline Fleets, 1978)
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:30 am

You can still FlyMe in Scandinavia:

http://www.flyme.com/en

:D
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 17):
BTW, there's also the unisex "Chris" (727-235, N4752), but the remainder are women's names

Wow, I never knew I had my own "Fly Me" 727!!!!  cheeky   bouncy   bigthumbsup 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:00 am

I used to love the National ads. There was a clever one touting their service to Florida. They made a jigsaw puzzle of the United States, pulled out Florida and turned it into a little airplane by adding wings. You have to admit Florida does look like a little plane!

Speaking of PC incorrect; does anyone remember the Continental slogan "We really move our tail for you"?

[Edited 2006-01-18 02:04:39]
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:51 am

Actually most of the regular DC-8's where around long enough to get the Fly Me treatment, and there is I think a Great video for sale on the above mentioned national sundowners web-site, that includes dozens of the fly me commercials, among other gems from the 70's. National was my favorite airlines as a child and had many wonderful flights on 727's, DC-8's and DC-10's. And just for fun here is the DC-10 name list, do not remember the later re-names
to Bob Hope, Sammy Davis, Dinah Shore etc, anyway here goes.

N60NA Barbara then Suzanne
N61NA Dorothy
N62NA Francis then Cecile
N63NA Phylis
N64NA Geraldine (named for the Character on the Flip Wilson TV Show)
N65NA Eileen
N66NA Shirley
N67NA Joyce
N68NA Jamie
N69NA Betty
N70NA Wisty
N80NA Tammy (see note below)
N81NA Renee
N82NA Marienne
N83NA Timmi

I apologize if I misspelled a few as they are from memory from a long time ago
An interesting side note about N80NA Tammy. Named after NAL F/A Tammy Sabin
who I saw a photo of and was Super Model/Movie Star Goddess Beautiful. Anyway her
then boyfriend was the Highbidder on a MIA area PBS stations telethon for charity
to win the rights to name a NA DC-10 after whoever the highbidder wanted, Wisely
he chose his girlfriend !

Cheers

LGA777
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
I even recall one of the last ads for British Calolinia in the mid-1980's in the UK where they had ads that showed businessmen in airline seats and with the line "I wish they were all Caladonia Girls", a play on the 1960's Beach Boys song "California Girls".

This is one of my favorite (if politically incorrect) commercials (Delta's Adiemus commercials are also up there)...

You can view the commercial at using RealPlayer by clicking here

"I've flown with US Airlines
and the girls are really nice
and those Beautiful far-Eastern girls
do splendid things with rice.

ooh...

German girls are so correct
and the planes are never late
But there's only one girl we want to see
as we reach the departure gate

I wish they could all be Caledonian...
I wish they could all be Caledonian...
I wish they could all be Caledonian girls.

British Caledonian. We never forget that you have a choice"

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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:49 am

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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:14 pm



A pic of "Linda" from the database, check the captions:


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Some articles that could help you:

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,903213,00.html

http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/articles/708.html

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/.../05/16/askthepilot41/index_np.html

Some marketing specialists consider the campaign the reason for PANAM to get interested in National Airlines..
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:22 pm

I was an early teen when National was absorbed into Pan Am, I do remember one of their commericals in the late 70's. something like "You're a National Priority" slogan...something like that.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:02 pm

Gawd, America was better back then - before people with deep-seated issues started to have their way. What happened?
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 26):
America was better back then - before people with deep-seated issues started to have their way

Amen
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:45 pm

All of NA's DC-8s: -20s, -50s, and -61s wore names. Cheryl Fioravante was the most famous of the National stews.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:51 pm

N70NA...Wisty. That was my sister's roommate. She's how I got a free baseball. Some guy wrote all over it though: "Maury, best wishes, Mickey Mantle."

My first flight was on NA....JAX-MIA, in 1970...on a 727-100...and a light lunch was served in F. Quickly, I'd imagine.

I had one of those Florida gliders! I hadn't thought of that in forever. The lost 'toy' that will cause a.netters to weep? An NA 727-100 model that was about 4' long, powered so that it'd taxi on it's own, with a switch for "jet sounds" (if jets go "grrrrrrr" anyway.) I trashed that thing over the course of a year...*loved* me my 727! I had/have a good sister.  Smile
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:07 pm

Maury i flew Wisty(no pun intended) from IAH to MIA in August 1972.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:35 pm

I'd love to fly you Linda, but shouldn't we do dinner first?
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11):
The caption was their slogan: "A buck well-spent on a Springmaid Sheet"

It would never fly today, not for the sexual inuendo but for the "Buck" reference.

I might be stretching here but isn't Springmaid also associated with the Wamasutta brand which to me sounds more Indian (damn that's un-PC!) than Buck does.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
And for those of you guys who suffer from PC, we offer asylum in Europe, where you can still watch ads like that on TV.

I knew I liked you crazy Europeans for something.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 17):
Now if the people of France had a say, they'd be up in arms that Mr. Lewis was short-changed.

But then the love disappears just as quickly with this one. F$&*ing Jerry Lewis...he f$&*ed up my Labor Day. (not my thoughts, just quoting the Dead Milkmen)
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:47 pm

Check this out for risque, and these are from 2005!
http://www.lynxjet.com/
OK, so its not a 'real' airline but......
A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:37 pm

Take a look at Pam Ann some sketches on the fly me theme Donna is my favorite, her and Mona!:

http://www.seeitfirst.co.uk/pamann/pamann.html
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:54 pm

Can someone tell Heidi to drop the shield? In German . Heidi - lass das Schild fallen!!!
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:15 pm

National was the first domestic US carrier I flew in 1970, JFK-PHL-DCA, yes, at 14 I purposely chose a flight with a stop! Nice orange juice and muffin service on both legs! Very early departure from Terminal 5 at JFK. I was impressed, it was also empty!

The Fly Me campaign is imprinted in my mind forever! It should be brought back, except add mens names too!
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
That was back in the day when f/a's were almost all female, under 30, good looking, wore short skirts/sexier tops and with strict weight and appearance rules.

Oh yeah... those were the days...  cloudnine 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:27 pm

Nobody has mentioned the 10cc record "I'm Mandy, Fly Me" which charted here in England here early in 1976. It got to No.6.

Was it a hit in the states?

Ray
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:05 pm

Ahem.... that would be my logo  Smile
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:23 pm

Remember when Gloria Steinem (women's rights activist) told Bud Maytag (NAL CEO) to "go fly himself" because she thought the ads implied sexual innuendos.
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting RayPettit (Reply 38):

Don't think that was a hit over here. "The Things We Do For Love" was a big one.


Ah, memories of flying NA. 1st widebody ever for me. 7/76 = MIA-MSY - D10
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:56 am

I flew "on" Marcia years ago. Did not get the N number.
It seems to me either Airways Magazine or Airliners magazine had an article
in the last year or two on National.
Hope this helps.
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dc863
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:47 am

That Pam Ann material is hilarious!!
 
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RE: I'm Linda! Fly Me!

Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Speedbirdcrew (Reply 34):
Take a look at Pam Ann some sketches on the fly me theme Donna is my favorite, her and Mona!:

I got a kick out of "Chantelle"....she is doing the Braniff space bubble look.
can't tell if Pam is someone in drag, seems kind of campy gayish.

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