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Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:47 am

Where will they keep all the planes ?

http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/jan/17deccan.htm

Air Deccan to take assistance from Ryan Air + JetBlue Airways , also a pact with SpiceJet in place.
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Vivek0072 (Thread starter):
Air Deccan to take assistance from Ryan Air + JetBlue Airways

Interesting. I've never flown either Ryanair or JetBlue (and hope never to have to fly the former) but I was under the impression that they had quite different - one might almost say contradictory - business models. Ryanair really is the cheapest of the cheap (is it true you have to buy toilet paper in the lavs?) whereas JetBlue is trying to deliver a reasonable service at low cost. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but how can both be advising the same airline?
 
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
how can both be advising the same airline?

Perhaps Air Deccan is trying to find the middle gound. I know that they DN sells food/drinks (even water) on board. So they might be getting help from Jetblue to try to increase services without dramatically increasing costs.

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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:58 am

boy...i see a big desi aviation bust coming with all these air carriers coming online so soon....
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:58 am

Well, they might want to take the advise and then take the best of both worlds?

Ryanair and JetBlue have many things different, but also many things in common. It's not strange that they are different - they operate in very different environments. There is no Ryanair equivalent in the US and there is no JetBlue equivalent in Europe. Apparantly nobody saw a business opportunity for a FR-type airline in the US and also the other way around. India is still a developing market - they might not be sure yet what's the best for them, and they will find out by talking with 2 parties.

What they have in common? Well, both airlines are considered as 'best in class' in many aspects in business. Both airlines have developed a very strong brand. Both airlines have a very tight cost control program. Both airlines have a very well operating environment.

I think they make a very good choice in hiring both for advise - a copy of any of the models might not work well in India, whereas a combination might work.

By the way, toilet paper is free on Ryanair. And why do you hope to never fly Ryanair? They do serve some good routes and have very attractive prices. Most of the airports they serve are very small - plane-to-car time of 15 minutes, don't expect that at AMS or LHR. Service on board? Well you buy your coffee. And after one hour and a half you're out again. It's not that terrible.

[Edited 2006-01-17 21:01:10]
 
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:03 am

Joost,

I was under the impression FR was based on WN in the states and VLG in Spain was following B6's model also from the states,

am I wrong?

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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:57 am

Oh no, you are absolutely not wrong. But there is a difference in 'based on' and 'copied'.

Indeed, Ryanairs business model is based on WN's, just like easyJets, Wizzairs, and virtually any LCC model. Vueling has indeed be inspired by JetBlue, they also have a representative in the board of directors.

However, Ryanair is a different airline from Southwest. Indeed, O'Leary has been inspired by WN's tactics, took from it what he thought he needed for 'his' Ryanair, and developed it further. One of the veyr important things he scrapped was the offering of connections. He also changed apsects of the importance of passenger comefort, adjusted price levels, removed flexible tickets. So indeed, Ryanairs business model is based on that of southwest, or inspired by, but it's not the same. Also, Vuelings business model is based on JetBlue (that is, on it's turn, based again on Southwest - Neeleman, founder of JetBlue even started his career at Southwest), but it is adjuested to the European situation.

A nice view on how easyJets model is based on the Southwest model, but adjusted, is given in the presentation "USB Transport conference 2005" on http://easyjet.com/EN/Investor/investorrelations_presentations.html .

[Edited 2006-01-17 22:03:40]
 
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:23 pm

Anywhere but at Bom & Del  biggrin 
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:20 pm

This is good for DN. At the prices they offer (Rs. 2500 BLR-DEL for april as an example), they should be able to fill a third and a fourth 320 between these city pairs without much pain.
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:41 pm

112 months is a long time, even though it doesn't sound like it. The pact with SpiceJet will be useful in an aircraft-out situation, particularly opn the trunk routes, but with both carriers running at 90% loads, I doubt how many seats will ever be free. On another note, it will be interesting to see if Deccan introduces another type into its fleet soon - maybe an E-Jet? or smaller Airbus'?
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:21 pm

With 90 aircrafts due directly from the manufactures [60 320s + 30 ATR 42/72]

plus a couple more from the leasing companies due, they have already covered up 100 months.

Apart from the 5 factory fresh ATR-42s which are the other aircrafts that have been delivered to them directly from the manufacturers


BTW, Is not Kingfisher [domestic ops] modelled around JetBlue???
I think it very much is, however please feel free to comment/criticize my view.
 
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
On another note, it will be interesting to see if Deccan introduces another type into its fleet soon - maybe an E-Jet? or smaller Airbus'

Im surprised the A319 has not been ordered yet.
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting Vivek0072 (Thread starter):
Where will they keep all the planes ?

The desert.
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:21 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
The desert.

they'll have to tow them to desert, as there won't be pilots available to fly them there. Big grin
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RE: Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 13):
they'll have to tow them to desert, as there won't be pilots available to fly them there

Considering the Age of Aircraft arriving.The Desert is a long way off.
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