joshdean
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Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:00 pm

I went on Great Cirlce Mapper (http://gc.kls2.com/) and got a map for LHR - SIN - SYD as I am flying this next month. I know the map given is by no means an accurate route and that it will be subject to all kinds of variables. I really enjoy geography and knowing where places are. Nothing annoys me more when I'm on a flight with no sky map and the captain doesn't give you any information as to where you are, so you have to guess by looking at the ground beneath you.  Angry Fortunately I will have a sky map on my next flight, but from what I've seen they don't look nearly detailed enough!

Does anyone know of a website where I can find a bit more detailed information about the route?

Thanks in advance  Smile
 
HAJ_OW
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:07 am

Hi Joshdean,

I can't help with an website, but it's an interesting question still. I have checked a regular world map and recalled which route I flew to HKG abot 10 years ago. I assume at least the LON-SIN part will be partly the same route we took into HKG.
So I would suggest the following route: Great Britain - France - Germany - Austria - crossing the Balkan someway towards Turkey - Turkey - Iran - Pakistan - India - and the bengal sea into SIN.
At least this was mostly the route we took into HKG exept we flew further north across india. I expect that a SIN bound flight will fly further south from Iran onwards.

Regards

HAJ_OW
 
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TripleDelta
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting HAJ_OW (Reply 1):
crossing the Balkan someway towards Turkey

If you indeed do get routed down here (which isn't all that unlikely), you'll most probably be taking airway UB5, which goes all the way down to Bulgaria and is one of the major and frequently used trans-Balkan airways. In this case, you can expect to fly over Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro and Bulgaria.

EDIT: disclaimer, UB5 is the "conventional" route. UL603 is the RNAV route replacing it.

[Edited 2006-01-19 22:01:10]
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USflysagain
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:15 am

Here Try this site. It might be able to give you an idea more then an actual flight route.

To that end, how to pilots navagate the skys...how are the traffic routes specified. Does anyone have an information (books, training, websites) that they could point me to. I'm really curious


http://www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/search_dist_apt.html
 
joshdean
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Usflysagain (Reply 3):
Here Try this site. It might be able to give you an idea more then an actual flight route.

Thanks, I took a look here. The route line it gives is exactly the same Great Circle Mapper. Is this just the most efficient point-to-point route??? If you correlate it with a world map it shows the route would take you over Holland, northern Germany, Poland, well south of Moscow then heading south east into Kazakhstan and pass over the northern tip of the Caspian Sea, heading into Uzbekistan and passing south of the Aral Sea then Turkmenistan - then what's the situation regarding passing over Afghanistan? - northern India, just south of the border with Nepal, then heading in more of a southerly direction towards Singapore for a stop, then straight towards Sydney hitting the north west cost of Australia first.

Someone must know which specific flight paths (and where they lie) would be taken??

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 2):
If you indeed do get routed down here (which isn't all that unlikely), you'll most probably be taking airway UB5, which goes all the way down to Bulgaria and is one of the major and frequently used trans-Balkan airways. In this case, you can expect to fly over Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro and Bulgaria.

Thanks for your help TripleDelta. The GCM site obviously gives a fairly different picture! HAJ_OW gives similar routing to you also, cheers.

Does anyone know of a web site showing international flight paths?
 
Leej
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:19 am

I've done this route quite a few times now - no one has been the same (either there or back!)
Sometimes you go high, over Denmark, into Russia and down over the Himalayas, Burma etc, last time on the way back we were way south, crossed over just north of Sri Lanka on our way out of SIN.
There are so many variables I don't think there is any one map that will list all the routes - but the skymaps onboard are good enough for you to be able to fairly acurately plan your course. Let us know when you get back!
 
joshdean
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting Leej (Reply 5):
Let us know when you get back!

Thanks! Expect a full trip report.
 
chase
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:37 am

If your airline allows them to be used during flight, consider buying a handheld GPS. A Garmin eTrex with a "moving map" can be had for less than $200 US. I don't know about the carrier you're taking, but as for US airlines, NW, UA, CO allow them, AA, TZ do not. In general I think it's about 50/50.
 
MarshalN
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:47 am

It really depends on the winds and stuff as well, so it is very dependent on the weather pattern on the day you're flying.
 
joshdean
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 7):
If your airline allows them to be used during flight, consider buying a handheld GPS.

Good idea. Taking it to the extreme though! The airline is BA, anyone know if they would allow them???
 
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:19 am

Good evening from the snow storm in TRD!

I have flown BA LHR-SIN and TG/SK CPH-BKK several times and there are two main routings on this leg:

1. Over North Germany, Polen, passing south of Moscow, then over Kazakhstan ( Aral Sea), Uzbeksistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan (Lahore), Northern India, Bengal Bay, Myanmar and then into BKK or SIN.

2. Straight over Central Europa, over the Black Sea, then over the Cacausus corridor, Baku in Azerbaijan, Caspian Sea, Turkmenistan and then in over Afghanistan, joining the other route.
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chase
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting Joshdean (Reply 9):
The airline is BA, anyone know if they would allow them???

I just checked at:
http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm
and according to this website, BA does in fact allow GPS units to be used during flight. However, I would still advise checking with the airline itself, either by looking in the back of the inflight magazine, checking their website, or calling. And, "allowed" generally means while the aircraft is above 10000 feet.
 
MarshalN
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:03 am

And I have a nagging suspicion that you might get a few stares from fellow pax, perhaps even F/As, who don't feel quite comfortable when you have a GPS in hand (they probably wouldn't know exactly what it is).
 
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RE: Which Countries Will I Fly Over?

Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:19 pm

There are a number of different routes LHR-SIN. The last time I flew that sector was SIN-LHR and the route went (roughly) from the in flight map display:
SIN -west coast of Malaya-across Thai ismis-Bay of Bengal-along or parralle to the Gangages to about Lahor, 45 degree right turn up over Kashmir/Afgahstan-over central Asia republics, into Russia to a point a few hundred km south of Moscow, across Belyorussia to the Balatic, down the Baltic, over Jutland and across the North Sea into London.


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