rdwootty
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BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:42 am

I see that BMI will b operating a "Star Alliance" branded 767 for the LAS/and other routes. It WILL have Economy.Premium Economy and The Business cabins......No seat back IFE .....More seat space....Same meals and pay for drinks in the back.......I suppose that it needs fewer seats so it can find its way back to MAN in the dark
 
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:24 am

As a result of our Airbus A330’s undergoing scheduled engineering checks, bmi are leasing a Boeing 767 aircraft for operational coverage. The 767 will have Star Alliance livery and will be refitted to bmi standards, cabin crew onboard will continue to be bmi staff.

The 767 aircraft will operate on Manchester services to Las Vegas and the Caribbean between 8 February and 20 April 2006.
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 1):
As a result of our Airbus A330’s undergoing scheduled engineering checks, bmi are leasing a Boeing 767 aircraft for operational coverage.

I thought it was because you were positioning a further one from MAN to LHR for the Mumbai and Saudi flights?
 
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:43 am

I thought the 767 was to be used from Londres Heatrow?
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:43 am

Is the 767 also the aircraft going down to JED/RUH?
 
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:41 pm

No seat back IFE?? No custom from me, then!!
 
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:04 pm

This is BD remember, so they won't be sure themselves what they are doing.

It was supposed to be going on the MAN flights to everywhere but ORD. Then they it was going to LHR to do the Saudi flights with an enlarged J cabin to suit that market. Now it's doing the LAS and Caribbean flights. Believe it when you see it !.

I can't see it being to 'bmi standards'. What is the J cabin like on this bird ?
 
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:14 pm

Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
Same meals and pay for drinks in the back.......I suppose that it needs fewer seats so it can find its way back to MAN in the dark

do you have to pay for drinks in economy on bmi long haul now?
 
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting Pieinthesky (Reply 6):
This is BD remember, so they won't be sure themselves what they are doing.

Absolutely, this is just the ususl bmi bollocks. What other airline would launch a new route at exactly the same time that the aircraft that would operate it is going into scheduled maintenance? BD is nothing but a joke, and a bad one at that.
 
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RE: BMI 767

Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:19 am

bmi will get B763ER PH-MCV shortly from Dutch charter company ArkeFly. And believe me, this is not the best airframe around they can get!


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RE: BMI 767

Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Pieinthesky (Reply 6):
It was supposed to be going on the MAN flights to everywhere but ORD. Then they it was going to LHR to do the Saudi flights with an enlarged J cabin to suit that market. Now it's doing the LAS and Caribbean flights. Believe it when you see it !.

It is going to MAN in February to do MAN-BGI/-ANU/-LAS to cover whilst the A330s go to MNL for scheduled maintenance (i.e. all MAN longhaul services except ORD which stays on an A330). In April, after the A330 checks are done, its moving to LHR to operate the existing LHR-RUH and new LHR-JED services, which demands a different config to the A330 that is operating India services anyway. The lease is for one year.

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RE: BMI 767

Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:21 am

Interestingly the Premium economy seat pitch IS reduced by 3 inches.. The Economy is increased by 3 inches so there is only 2 inches between economy and premium and no IFE so why pay!!
 
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RE: BMI 767

Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:37 am

Your forgetting the BMI secret ultra plan...

in Feb BMI plans to use a Fokker 70 for MAN-ORD due to reduced demand, and the 763 will operate the 9am LHR-MAN, then be repainted as BMI Baby for the 11.30 to Malaga before becoming a freighter in time for the 5pm to EDI. But as the Fokker 70 will be over EDI at 6pm, there will be no demand for the 763 on the EDI-LHR and so it will fly empty to Copenhagen (to keep out of the way of the F70) and land at 22.30 at LHR carrying a load of Danish Bacon.

However airmiles will only be awarded to passengers who already have 2mn and dont fly on BMI but do buy Breakfast as long as their checkin luggage has volvo spare parts in.

Did you get all that ?

I knew it all made sense :0)
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RE: BMI 767

Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 9):
bmi will get B763ER PH-MCV shortly from Dutch charter company ArkeFly. And believe me, this is not the best airframe around they can get!

What is so bad about this particular airframe.

Please enlighten us...
 
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RE: BMI 767

Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting Monkeyboi (Reply 7):
Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
Same meals and pay for drinks in the back.......I suppose that it needs fewer seats so it can find its way back to MAN in the dark

do you have to pay for drinks in economy on bmi long haul now?

Do you have to pay for soft drinks or just alcohol?
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RE: BMI 767

Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:29 pm

So essentially, MAN will only have the 767 for a short while and will keep its 330s after their checks?

Lot of fuss over nothing, then.
 
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RE: BMI 767

Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:57 pm

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 9):
bmi will get B763ER PH-MCV shortly from Dutch charter company ArkeFly. And believe me, this is not the best airframe around they can get!

That's a former MP aircraft. Well, I do agree it has to be refurbished because those holiday 767s can be very cramped (I'm speaking of experience).

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RE: BMI 767

Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:22 am

Actually it is worse than expected. The config in Y is 2-4-2!! I think BD is trying to kill the routes.
 
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RE: BMI 767

Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:27 am

Isn't BD operating one of its birds for QR on UK - DOH routes? Or is QR just using a BD slot and using their own birds and staff?

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RE: BMI 767

Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:18 pm

VS seem to be eyeing up the MAN Caribbean routes anyway!
 
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RE: BMI 767

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:18 pm

Rdwootty,

You are incorrect.

The Y config is 2-3-2. I've just been trained on it, trust me !!
 
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RE: BMI 767

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 18):
Isn't BD operating one of its birds for QR on UK - DOH routes? Or is QR just using a BD slot and using their own birds and staff?

Its the latter

QR aircraft
QR staff

but magically a BD flight number

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 17):
The config in Y is 2-4-2!!

Are you serious?
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:00 am

It's 2-3-2. On the subject though, i've done 2-4-2 on a 76 and let's just say the seats weren't exactly big Wink

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rdwootty
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RE: BMI 767

Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:18 pm

I am confused. the layout for seat bookings , which is all i can see on system is 2-4-2 so that will agravate even more passenegers when they find they cannot sit where they have booked!
 
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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 13):
What is so bad about this particular airframe.

It was heaving loads of mechanical troubles when it flew the busy summer schedule for ArkeFly. Caused many serious big delays, which resulted in the need of hiring other airlines' aircraft to flew the stranded pax!

Anyway, PH-MCV is now seen at BRU in the full BD livery (which means, Star Alliance colours, and bmi titles). So I presume it will enter on BD's network soon now!

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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:14 am

BMI is going to lose out big time. BMI are a fantastic airline but flying B767 instead of A330 its gonna see the final nail in the coffin for LAS route.
 
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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:01 am

I agree BMi need to stick with the Airbus A330, passengers want to see consistency especially with cabin services, IFE systems etc…

If BMi do use the Boeing 767 on the KLAS route I know a number of people who will use VS out of EGKK, at least then they know all seats are the same, no matter what the aircraft and all seats have IFE, which, is important for people on holiday routes.

If BMi is going to continue asking for more routes out of EGLL and EGCC maybe they need to invest their permanent aircraft and not side on the cheap all the time?

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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:08 am

What bemuses me is that people say it will be up to BMI's 330 cabin standards yet there's no IFE, that's already quite a difference, about as hypocritical as BMI management,

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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Monkeyboi (Reply 7):
do you have to pay for drinks in economy on bmi long haul now?



Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Do you have to pay for soft drinks or just alcohol?

Just for alcohol, soft drinks are free , this started sometime in January. I might have its advantages, I flew in November and my travelling companion got a bit squiffy on the old Johnny Walker. Unfortunately he started singing along to his ipod and it took all my efforts to keep him quiet before he fell asleep sprawled across my lap!

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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:53 pm

Hope PH-MCV is CAT3 otherwise it won't make it into MAN this morning,

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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 24):
Anyway, PH-MCV is now seen at BRU in the full BD livery (which means, Star Alliance colours, and bmi titles). So I presume it will enter on BD's network soon now!

Any pictures of PH-MCV in BD Star Alliance colours somewhere? Just searched the database and also Planepictures but nothing. And I'm not going to popup hell to search.  Wink
 
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RE: BMI 767

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:43 am

From ringwayreports:

PH-MCV B763 Arkefly TF 501P 09:20 - Delivery to bmi

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RE: BMI 767

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:58 am

PH-MCV left Sabena Technics today, I saw her taxiing for departure around 09:30 (GMT+1).

Managed to take a picture of the aircraft (taxiing in the far distance):



Sorry for the poor quality...

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RE: BMI 767

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 19):
VS seem to be eyeing up the MAN Caribbean routes anyway!

Indeed!! We will be operating a MAN-BGI and a MAN-UVF this year, in additional MAN-MCO. If BMI are going to bugger it up, then VS will happily take their passengers.

I think it will get to a stage where the catchment area that uses MAN will just forget BD and use ANY other option, be it charter or scheduled.

I've got to say, I personally wouldn't knowingly put myself on a 767 for MAN-LAS. Eleven and a half hours of hell. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the 767, but this is long old stretch, much better served by a B744.

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RE: BMI 767

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:16 am

MNL seems quite a random place to do maintenance checks, isn't there somewhere in Europe / West Asia, it just seems a long way to go.
 
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RE: BMI 767

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:37 am

http://www.ringwayreports.co.uk/PH-MCV_KW_050206.jpg

Landed at 09:22 @ MAN.

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RE: BMI 767

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:53 am

Can't believe you have a pic of the a.c at MAN today! Had a nose around it earlier, not as bad as you would expect. Not an A330 either but it's only 9 weeks up at MAN. For those of you asking if you now have to pay for drinks in y, yes you do. Started January 3rd this year and it's not gone down as badly as anticipated. Most things are £3 (spirits, wine etc) and all mixers, juices are free still. Don't know why Manila for the checks?! Does seem a little odd. As crew, we are worried it will kill the routes too but I suppose the thinking is that it IS only 9 weeks. But we've worked hard to get these MAN routes up and running so it will be a real disappointment if they start to fail. The actual service is still very bmi onboard but the lack of IFE is a little unfortunate to say the least. The seating config is 2-3-2 definitely with 150 in y, 35 in premium and 24 in j. Feel free to ask any questions!
 
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RE: BMI 767

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting Galleyhag (Reply 36):
Feel free to ask any questions!

OK - why paint it in the Star scheme?

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RE: BMI 767

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 37):
OK - why paint it in the Star scheme?

That's obvious. It saves them painting the much more expensive BMI scheme for such a short period of time, the STAR livery is simple,

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RE: BMI 767

Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:02 pm

Quoting Galleyhag (Reply 36):
Don't know why Manila for the checks?!

The Philippines seemed odd to me, but probably not for the same reason. The previous maintenance checks were done at Zurich by SR Technics. However, since this is a more heavy maintenance check it looks like the contract has been given to Lufthansa Technik Philippines (perhaps influenced by Lufthansa's ownership stake in bmi?).

Phillippines - because the Lufthansa facility there is one of the world's best at A330 / A340 maintenance. The check that the A330s are having is so labour intensive (removing seats, painting etc) that the lower man hour rate that they charge out in the Far East can make it cost effective to fly the aircraft out there (even allowing for fuel etc).

If you want to know more about where the maintenance is being done, check out the link below.

http://www.lufthansa-technik.com/app...ompany-Info/Group-Basics/LTP_e.xml


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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 37):
OK - why paint it in the Star scheme?

Think it's to do with cost and ease - also, it's widely thought by staff that as it's flying into RUH it's somewhat safer to not have a Union Jack on the tale and any reference to 'British'. That's the rumour mill working!
 
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RE: BMI 767

Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Galleyhag (Reply 40):
Union Jack on the tale

Oops! Excuse, the spelling. Just done a night flight from BGI so somewhat dazed  ashamed