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AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:36 am

777 production list

If you scroll down to the bottom, you will see the 777s to be delivered this year. I noticed 2 777s for American Airlines in February and in April. American has not taken delivery of a new aircraft from Boeing since 2003, (after they deferred their 777s and 737s. Does anyone know if AA will use these new 777s to open new routes? Also, When will they begin to recieve their remaining 737s?
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if AA will use these new 777s to open new routes?

Actually yes. These two 777's are going to China: ORD-PVG which begins in April.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:31 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if AA will use these new 777s to open new routes?

The two new Boeing 777s being delivered this spring will be used on the new Chicago-Shanghai route, beginning in April.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Also, When will they begin to recieve their remaining 737s?

American will take delivery of its remaining 737 and 777 aircraft beginning in 2013.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
American will take delivery of its remaining 737 and 777 aircraft beginning in 2013.

Commavia, how many 737's and 777's does AA still have on order?
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
American will take delivery of its remaining 737 and 777 aircraft beginning in 2013.

In clear English, you have to admit this means: "American will not take delivery of any airplanes any time soon (besides the 2 777s)". The 2013 date does seem meaningless. It's not known if 737s will still be made in 2013.
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Commavia, how many 737's and 777's does AA still have on order?

American currently has committments to acquire seven Boeing 777s and 47 737s between 2013 and 2016.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 4):
In clear English, you have to admit this means: "American will not take delivery of any airplanes any time soon (besides the 2 777s)"

Huh? What it means is that, as of right now, American doesn't plan to take delivery of any new aircraft from Boeing until 2013.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 4):
The 2013 date does seem meaningless. It's not known if 737s will still be made in 2013.

Well, seeing as an potential 737 successor is "at least ten years away," I feel fairly confident in saying that the 737 line will still be in production, in some form or fasion, six years from now.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:49 am

O kewl AA is adding China!! Or do they fly there already?
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
Well, seeing as an potential 737 successor is "at least ten years away," I feel fairly confident in saying that the 737 line will still be in production, in some form or fasion, six years from now.

Well, it will be quite obsolite by then. I really don't think they will take them. I think they will use the deposits for the 777s and the 737s to order some 787s instead.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 4):
It's not known if 737s will still be made in 2013.

The 737NG will cetainly be in production in 2013. Customers like WN and FR have options extending to 2013, and they will almost assuradly use them to maintain consistant growth and fleet replacement. With the MMA contract, the 737 line will continue moving well past the sunset of the commercial variants.

I do agree, however, that I don't see the value in accepting delivery of a new batch of 737NG in 2013....

I think the most prudent measure would be to convert the 737NG order into a 787 downpayment. Deliveries begin in 2012 to replace leased A300 and begin process of 767 fleet renewal. The 787 easily has the potential to become American's long-haul backbone functioning as the long-term A300, 767, and 772ER replacement.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Commavia, how many 737's and 777's does AA still have on order?

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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:58 am

A little off topic when will DL resume deliveries of their 738? I cant wait to see some AA and DL birds without cockpit eyebrows and with winglets (even though AA has a bird with winglets out)
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 6):
O kewl AA is adding China!! Or do they fly there already?



Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
The two new Boeing 777s being delivered this spring will be used on the new Chicago-Shanghai route, beginning in April

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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:10 pm

A friend of mine who works for AA has said that 2013 for the next delivery of a 737 is not set in stone. If AA starts making money, and there is traffic growth, AA may push up delivery dates.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
If AA starts making money, and there is traffic growth, AA may push up delivery dates.

That does not look good at this point in time, see other thread regarding AA disposal of MD-80's, granted 24 have been/are grounded already, they are really only cutting 3. My point is that at this time it looks like AA is still contracting, especially domestic wise where a 738 would be used, I can see AA moving more 757's into international service as they continue to reduce domestic mainline flights.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:06 pm

Weren't the 737's sold to Qantas? I know QF needed 737's around the time AA was looking to rid itself of its order so Qantas took them.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
If AA starts making money

A 2005Q4 loss of over $600m suggests that is some time away. no 

[Edited 2006-01-19 11:11:17]
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:24 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
Weren't the 737's sold to Qantas? I know QF needed 737's around the time AA was looking to rid itself of its order so Qantas took them.

I believe it was just delivery slots and/or half-made planes that were switched to Qantas rather than paper orders. Essentially, AA gave up imminent deliveries in favour of distant ones and Qantas snapped them up.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
Weren't the 737's sold to Qantas? I know QF needed 737's around the time AA was looking to rid itself of its order so Qantas took them.

Not all of them. The original AA plan was enough 738s to first replace the 722, (which they did), and then start to slowly replace the MD-80s. Remember part of this planning was pre-TWA merger. Anyways, Qantas got the delivery slots, and the first 737-838s (as opposed to -823s) had AA first and economy seats in them. I actually like them, coupled with QF's LCD screens. QF and AA entered into an agreement that would keep the planes similarly configured (gallley, engines etc) so that if needed, the could be leased to each other (think of the BA 763s).

However the 737-800 order was huge. No way in hell QF could take all of those. They could however, take the pressure off AA when it needed it, plus get QF the delivery slots they needed i a real hurry if they were to expand and close the Ansett gap.

Just aside note, does anybody know why on earth AA has those old style TV's in the isles on their 738s? Those aircraft really should have LCD drop down screens from the PSU area like everybody else who operates those aircraft.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 16):
does anybody know why on earth AA has those old style TV's in the isles on their 738s? Those aircraft really should have LCD drop down screens from the PSU area like everybody else who operates those aircraft.

Because the flip down TV's cost $200,000 more per aircraft.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 16):
However the 737-800 order was huge. No way in hell QF could take all of those. They could however, take the pressure off AA when it needed it, plus get QF the delivery slots they needed i a real hurry if they were to expand and close the Ansett gap.

It turned out that what was bad for AA was perfect for QF. Wasn't it only a matter on two or three months between the QF "order" and delivery? I remember it was a remarkably quick timeframe.

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 17):
Because the flip down TV's cost $200,000 more per aircraft.

Obviously the weight saving of the LCD screens didn't justify the investment?

Interesting.

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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:20 am

It is actually a net gain of only 1 777. Ship N7AL has been returned to Boeing.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
I think they will use the deposits for the 777s and the 737s to order some 787s instead.

Aren't all the AA 777s on order -200ERs? If Boeing goes ahead with the 787-10 (which seems very likely), then AA could transfer the 777 deposits to the 787.

They do need the 783 to replace the A300s.

[Edited 2006-01-19 17:03:43]
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:07 am

Are these 777s going to be delivered with AA's new business class product?
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
These two 777's are going to China: ORD-PVG which begins in April.

So at AA an aircraft is specially affected to one route! This does not seem efficient to me in terms of hours of utilisation.
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 22):
So at AA an aircraft is specially affected to one route! This does not seem efficient to me in terms of hours of utilisation.

What he meant about this was they would cover the "slots" for those trips. For AA to start that route and not reduce any 777 flying anywhere else, they would need two more 777's. They will fly throughout the system just like all of AA's 777.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:41 am

Will the new 777's have the new business class product?
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 21):
Are these 777s going to be delivered with AA's new business class product?

No, they will be delivered with the old product, a three man cockpit, DC-10 style piano bar and a buch of young hottie stews in hot pants!! The first flight will be Dallas/Love to Denver/Stapelton.
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:56 am

[quote=DfwRevolution,reply=8]With the MMA contract[/quote




MMA?
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:14 am

Why was 7AL returned to Boeing??
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting Bombayhog (Reply 27):
Why was 7AL returned to Boeing??

It was a surplus aircraft, and AA wound up making $$$$$ on the deal
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:13 am

Vegasplanes:

A lot can happen in 7 years, including NW and/or DL going into Chapter 7 or shrinking substantially, oil prices going before $50, WN seeing its costs go up due to new collective bargaining agreements, etc.

From what I know, the 27 MD-80s that are now grounded permanently are ex-TW birds that needed a lot of work to reconfigure them to AA standards. AA got rid of the QQ MD-80s, because they had cockpits that were very diffierent from the AA MD-80s. Changing cockpits is not a cheap proposition.

Also, AA has a number of MD-80s that are over 20 years old. AA isn't opposed to having old planes, but the maintenance costs for the fleet will continue to escalate. At some point, replacing some of them with 737-800s, which have new avionics, better economy, IFE, and the ability to fly trans-con and short hops, and far fewer maintenance needs, will make financial sense.

All I'm saying is that don't be shocked if AA decides in the future to start taking deliveries 1 or 2 years early. On the other hand, I would be surprised to see deliveries in 2010 and shocked to see deliveries in 2009.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 29):
All I'm saying is that don't be shocked if AA decides in the future to start taking deliveries 1 or 2 years early. On the other hand, I would be surprised to see deliveries in 2010 and shocked to see deliveries in 2009.

I agree. In fact I wouldn't be surprised at all if AA announces that they will accelerate their delivery schedule. The 738's are great planes and a perfect fit for AA's system - short and long hops. They can easily replace 757's on transcons freeing them up for more international service.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 28):
It was a surplus aircraft, and AA wound up making $$$$$ on the deal

As far as I know 7AL wasnt returned to Boeing - Just leased for two years for 787 flight testing. I would have to bet that AA made money on the deal, otherwise why would they get rid of (if only for two years) that they need badly!
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting AA 777 (Reply 31):
As far as I know 7AL wasnt returned to Boeing - Just leased for two years for 787 flight testing. I would have to bet that AA made money on the deal, otherwise why would they get rid of (if only for two years) that they need badly!

Have I been trapped under the proverbial rock? I haven't heard anything about this. Was there a press release from Boeing or AMR regarding this ship changing hands temporarily or permanently? A thread on here? Anything?
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 32):
Have I been trapped under the proverbial rock? I haven't heard anything about this. Was there a press release from Boeing or AMR regarding this ship changing hands temporarily or permanently? A thread on here? Anything?

No press release, because 99.9% of the world goes not give a crap. (A.netters excluded!)
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 26):
MMA?

Mult-Mission Marine Aircraft. Basically a 737-800 outfitted to hunt submarines and track surface movements:

http://www.navlog.org/mma_boeing_small.jpg

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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 19):
Ship N7AL has been returned to Boeing.



Quoting AA 777 (Reply 31):
As far as I know 7AL wasnt returned to Boeing - Just leased for two years for 787 flight testing. I would have to bet that AA made money on the deal, otherwise why would they get rid of (if only for two years) that they need badly!

I can confirm what AA 777 said. It was only leased to Boeing for their testing purposes. As far as I know, AA did not lose money on letting Boeing use the aircraft. I think it must have helped that NGO was dropped, allowing AA to let Boeing use the plane.
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:31 pm

Not to mention those are all the aircraft the entire American/American Eagle system is taking delivery all year (unless something changes). Never rule out an RJ order, but somehow I am betting against AA topping off its fleet of 50-seat RJs.
This also means there are no aircraft scheduled for delivery to AA until 2013!
Somehow this will probably change whether it be an order for a 70 seat+ RJ or 787, or moving forward 772ER delivery dates.
 
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RE: AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s

Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 29):
All I'm saying is that don't be shocked if AA decides in the future to start taking deliveries 1 or 2 years early. On the other hand, I would be surprised to see deliveries in 2010 and shocked to see deliveries in 2009

Ckfred:

I hear what you are saying, I mis-interpreted your original post to infer that AA would want to move up the 738 delivery to something like currently or 2007. Granted, that 7 years out nothing is set in stone, who would have thought back in '99 that the airlines would be this deep in s**t here in '06. We shall see.

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