upsmd11
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What Are US Airlines Overfly Rights With MX

Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:41 am

I was looking at Flightaware this afternoon and noticed a CO flight from IAH to HNL and it was going up around MX to get across the Pacific when it looks like the most direct route would be to overfly Mexico.

Are there specific rules saying an airline cannot overfly a country or are there fees associated with this that may be greater than the fuel burn associated with longer flying?

Thanks as always for the useful input.

Regards,
John
 
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RE: What Are US Airlines Overfly Rights With MX

Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:47 am

It may be just winds. I've been on flights that overfly Cuba, so I doubt Mexico would be a problem.

BTW: I believe this is the flight you are referring to:

http://map3.flightaware.com/flight_track_map.rvt?ident=COA1;origin=KIAH;destination=PHNL;key=b9c3f529fcc8d087843c071601b63682043e5c6e;height=600;width=800

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RE: What Are US Airlines Overfly Rights With MX

Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:21 pm

Both Mexico and the US are signatories to the International Air Transit Agreement which gives reciprical 1st and 2nd freedom rights. ATC charges are another matter - all aircraft in US airspace pay charges to the USG regardless if they are in transit or flying to/from or within.
 
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RE: What Are US Airlines Overfly Rights With MX

Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:38 am

I don't think overflying Mexico was a problem. On this particular flight, going over Mexico would have saved them 10-15 minutes, not worth the paper-work.
 
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RE: What Are US Airlines Overfly Rights With MX

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:10 am

I looked at a number of MIA-LAX flights that skirted around MX too. If I think I know the hassles of paperwork I can understand taking a few more minutes to NOT fly over MX even if you can.

John
 
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RE: What Are US Airlines Overfly Rights With MX

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 3):
I don't think overflying Mexico was a problem. On this particular flight, going over Mexico would have saved them 10-15 minutes, not worth the paper-work.

Makes sense. All of my flights to/from HNL have skirted the border until we hit the Pacific, usually near LAX. On the way back I understand it is not uncommon to overfly Mexico due to prevailing winds.
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