IceTitan447
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:28 pm

These may have floated around here on the forum, didn't do a search.
These are a few Pictures of a UsAir Plane landing with the brakes on.
http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUCTS/Freebies/USAirParkingBrake/


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Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:30 pm

Nice way to ruin an ERJ. Or at least the brake section.
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:34 pm

got it as an email 2 days ago....can you really set the brakes prior to touchdown on a 170????seems to me that the bells and whistles would go off like a quarter winning slot in vegas???could be wrong but seems strange that this could happen.....with out some direct or in direct pilot intervention!!!!.
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:36 pm

Boy, that sure cured a lot of constipation on board that plane.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting Jcavinato (Reply 3):
Boy, that sure cured a lot of constipation on board that plane.

 rotfl  I wouldn't have wanted to be the cleaner
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:43 pm

Quoting Swabur (Reply 1):
Nice way to ruin an ERJ. Or at least the brake section.

That's not an ERJ, that's an Embraer 170, which is a different a/c family than the ERJ.

Was this a MidAtlantic operated E-170, or a Republic operated one?
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
That's not an ERJ, that's an Embraer 170, which is a different a/c family than the ERJ.

Type certificate lists it as ERJ-170  Wink
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:57 pm

Wow. That is hard to believe. I'd love to think that it is a malfunction of some type, but I know a guy who set the parking brake on a C130 inflight. The results were similar to these pictures.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting JBo (Reply 6):
Type certificate lists it as ERJ-170

Actually, it does, which is strange because the ERJ family are actually listed as EMB-135 and EMB-145
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
Was this a MidAtlantic operated E-170, or a Republic operated one?

This happened last spring in IAH out of PIT. These were the days before Republic.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:45 pm

That must have hurt that aircraft!  gasp  How much damage was done to the gear from this? Any idea how long this a/c was out of service to fix it?
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Swabur (Reply 1):
Nice way to ruin an ERJ. Or at least the brake section.

No doubt. This has happened to an EMB-120 as well. I'm not sure if SkyWest still calls it the "Wagstick" anymore or not after the guy that set it in flight.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting JBo (Reply 6):
Type certificate lists it as ERJ-170

Very true
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:00 am

Isn't there a Locked wheel protection.something does not add up.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:37 am

Are you able to just reach down and release it once you realize what's happening before it tears into the wheel? Or does that little moment of "what the f*ck" kick in and alter things for a few seconds?
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:54 am

I seen this pic a while ago- the story I heard was the pilot flipped the parking break, instead if turning off the autopilot during the checklists. But, IMHO - if you are pulling a black and yellow handle when you're preparing to land....you got problems.

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Hey- here's good news though- I bet USX has a pilot position opening!
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting N723GW (Reply 15):
I bet USX has a pilot position opening!

Actually, they don't. For one thing, a mainline pilot landed the plane. (MDA pilots are actually recalled furloughed pilots)

Secondly, the pilot was found not to be at fault. The pilot didn't set the parking brake, the plane malfunctioned, and it set the brake itself. This has happened before, but luckily, was caught in time.

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Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Actually, they don't. For one thing, a mainline pilot landed the plane. (MDA pilots are actually recalled furloughed pilots)

Secondly, the pilot was found not to be at fault. The pilot didn't set the parking brake, the plane malfunctioned, and it set the brake itself. This has happened before, but luckily, was caught in time.

It is nice to hear the outcome of such a wild ride.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:45 am

Wow those wheels got chewed up like the jet blue plane. Will this plane be going back into service?
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:49 am

That would not have happend with run-flat tyres!
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:56 am

This is old news, happened in July I believe...

A Coworker was on it, said it was an "interesting" ride, but not even that scary, let alone life-threatening... that said she joined our ever-growing list of employees that fly CO now, so it must have scared her a little bit, lol.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting N723GW (Reply 15):
Hey- here's good news though- I bet USX has a pilot position opening!

Too true. This would be the express lane between "good morning ladies and gentlemen, and welcome aboard U.S. Airways flight XXX" and "Do you want fries with that?"
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting AmericanAirFan (Reply 18):
Will this plane be going back into service?

The plane is already in service. It happened last summer.

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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
she joined our ever-growing list of employees that fly CO now,

Not to mention that US doesn't fly that route right now.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:40 am

Old.... I think i saw this over the summer!
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting 777-200 (Reply 24):
Old....

I hadn't seen it -- thanks for sharing!
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:54 am

The plane was stilled owned and operated by Mid Atlantic, we did not finalize the purchase until after the incident.



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Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Hannigan (Reply 14):
Are you able to just reach down and release it once you realize what's happening before it tears into the wheel? Or does that little moment of "what the f*ck" kick in and alter things for a few seconds?

Perhaps but I would guess by the time you figured out what to do the force of landing at whatever the landing speed is for the plane would have already done the damage.

Quoting N723GW (Reply 15):
Hey- here's good news though- I bet USX has a pilot position opening!

The pilot certainly won't be graduating to mainline service any time soon.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
This is old news, happened in July I believe...



Quoting 777-200 (Reply 24):
Old.... I think I saw this over the summer!

Here is the date.
USAirways HOUSTON 26 AUG 2005 PARKING BRAKE SET BEFORE LANDING (all aboard safe, as far as we know).

Not to old.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:01 am

Hey,
Thanks for sharing that with us.

I guess the pilot's would have really earned their BREAK (brake) after that flight!  wink 

Sorry...l couldn't resist!

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Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:14 am

Thats one way to make sure you stop in time! Smile
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 27):
Perhaps but I would guess by the time you figured out what to do the force of landing at whatever the landing speed is for the plane would have already done the damage.

And at that point you'd rather slide down the runway than have non-round wheels and chewed up tires spinning under you, bouncing you around and sending excess debris everywhere.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:36 am

Was that photo taken at IAH?
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:42 am

The fifth picture is the best. The lateral brace is severed into, but a mechanic had the good sense to put the down lock pin in to insure the gear is safe?
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:02 am

haha look at the skid marks, it must have swerved all over the place, they're lucky to have stayed on the runway. That was a damn short landing, though, you can still see the end of the runway!  Smile
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting AAMaddog (Reply 32):
Was that photo taken at IAH?

yes
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
That must have hurt that aircraft! How much damage was done to the gear from this? Any idea how long this a/c was out of service to fix it?

Don't know exactly how long it was out of service but it sure got in the way. It sat on 26L here at IAH for 2 days before US mx could figure a way to get off the runway.

Quoting AAMaddog (Reply 32):
Was that photo taken at IAH?

Yep, right out there on 26L. If you take off to the west and circle around to the south for a north departure you can still see the skid marks. It was a real short field landing.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:30 am

I wonder how everyone felt being slammed in to seat belts on touchdown
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 46):
It was outsourced to Raytheon Aeorspace

Who, it should be noted, is the MANUFACTURER of the aircraft, so one would think that it's a fair place to send something. Of course, the investigation discovered that proper procedures weren't even close to being followed in that shop. Disgraceful. For what it's worth, to the moron who talked about "that is why I won't fly USAirways" -- the manufacturer's shop misrigged the elevator and then failed to test it as they themselves had specified that it should have been tested; nothing about the aircraft's performance subsequent to that failure should have indicated a problem. It was only when elevator authority for a pretty-full load was needed that there was a problem. Shouldn't have been, but it was.

USAirways has, over the years, been responsible for quite a few innovations in safety, and was recognized for years by those in the industry as a very safe airline. Only the idiot media and its believers thought the airline to be in any way unsafe.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 38):
USAirways has, over the years, been responsible for quite a few innovations in safety, and was recognized for years by those in the industry as a very safe airline. Only the idiot media and its believers thought the airline to be in any way unsafe.

Well said.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting Jsposaune (Reply 39):
Well said.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 28):

Here is the date.
USAirways HOUSTON 26 AUG 2005 PARKING BRAKE SET BEFORE LANDING (all aboard safe, as far as we know).

August is the "summer."
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting Jcavinato (Reply 3):
Boy, that sure cured a lot of constipation on board that plane.



Quoting Rolfen (Reply 34):
haha look at the skid marks

I'm sure these weren't the only skid marks!  Wink
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 41):
August is the "summer."

Who said it wasn't? I posted the date to clear up a few posts. Easy on the egg nog!
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 26):
The plane was stilled owned and operated by Mid Atlantic, we did not finalize the purchase until after the incident.

Maybe... But who ate the cost for not having the plane in service and repairs, ETC... US? or Mid Atlantic?
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 44):
US? or Mid Atlantic?

MidAtlantic is not an airline. It does not have its own certificarte. Instead, it is a division of US mainline, with mainline flight crews. So that naturally means US ate up the costs.

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Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 45):
So that naturally means US ate up the costs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Embraer ate some of it, considering it was a major mechanical problem in a brand new plane. If nothing else Embraer probably wanted to check into it to see what it was to prevent it from happening next time.
 
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Secondly, the pilot was found not to be at fault. The pilot didn't set the parking brake, the plane malfunctioned, and it set the brake itself. This has happened before, but luckily, was caught in time.



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 46):
wouldn't be surprised if Embraer ate some of it, considering it was a major mechanical problem in a brand new plane. If nothing else Embraer probably wanted to check into it to see what it was to prevent it from happening next

Contrary to SOC's statement, 20 minutes before landing the Capt applied the parking brake manually. Embraer had no bearing in this event. It was not a part failure... but a human enduced problem.
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Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 45):
MidAtlantic is not an airline. It does not have its own certificarte.

SOAC is correct. Look at the USAirways certificate, particularly the aircraft that are on its certificate, and the names under which it does business (e.g. "Midatlantic Airlines"):

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DS...R_FAR=121&OPER_NAME=US+AIRWAYS+INC

[Edited 2006-01-22 11:12:37]
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 45):
MidAtlantic is not an airline. It does not have its own certificarte. Instead, it is a division of US mainline, with mainline flight crews.

MidAtlantic 'was' a division of mainline USAirways. All 25 aircraft are currently being transfered over to Republic Airlines and as of right now 15 have been fully transfered over. There has been some talk of USAirways picking up some Embraer 190's... but nothing offical yet.
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