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Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:27 am

Where will Delta expand next? The hubs(ATL,CVG,SLC,JFK) or Florida(FLL,MCO,TPA) or LAX? Personally I want to see some more DL over here at LAX, but it not be a good move for them? Maybe we can see some more action from MCO because they have 24 Gates with less than only 50 mainline flights.


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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
Maybe we can see some more action from MCO because they have 24 Gates with less than only 50 mainline flights.

Delta just rejected the leases on 16 of those gates at MCO...they only control gates 70-79 now.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:37 am

MCO is getting some RJ expansion, but isn't DL dumping 16 of their 24 mainline gates? There's also always the question of yields in and around Mickeyville, even though there are certainly lots of business conventions and the like in the area.

Logically, it seems like LAX and JFK would be perfect targets for expansion since (I think) they're the #1 and 2 O&D markets in the U.S., and JFK would especially make sense because of the big international expansion. BOS would also be nice.

Finally, they should wait for NW to liquidate and buy their Asian network  stirthepot 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
Delta just rejected the leases on 16 of those gates at MCO...they only control gates 70-79 now.

I am I right in thinking that no flights will be cut as a direct result of this however?
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
Finally, they should wait for NW to liquidate and buy their Asian network

That would be nice. And keep stirring that pot!

We already know of the European expansion plans and they seem pretty intent on Latin America as well. I would like to see more Asian service but until they can get more planes capable of ULH it won't happen.
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:58 am

How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 5):
How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?

I would love it!
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 5):
How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?

I got goosebumps when you said that, honestly! Being from BOS, I would love to see some further utilization of their beautiful new terminal A......although, I find it very hard to see any European flight, or "heavy" equipment, here anytime soon Sad

Well I can dream.
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 5):
How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?

If I were seeing that, I'd seriously have to drop the booze.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
I am I right in thinking that no flights will be cut as a direct result of this however?

For now, yes.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
Delta just rejected the leases on 16 of those gates at MCO...they only control gates 70-79 now.

DL also still controls gate 60, or rather 60A-60M  Wink .
And while DL has rejected the leases for 16 gates, consider the fact that DL currently has just about 40 mainline flights, for which 24 gates are a waste of leasing payments. Also, it should easily be possible for DL to handle an average of 7-8 mainline flights per gate per day, so some 60 mainline flights should be possible, so expansion is not that limited, despite less gates being used. And then there are the RJ gates, or rather parking positions. IIRC, there's a total of 13 positions. DL currently has around 75 flights there, or roughly 6 flights per parking position per day. At a max, it is easily possible to have 10 flights per day per gate, so a total of 130 flights would be possible.
Now of course it is very doubtful whether DL will actually ever have that many flights out of MCO, but it just goes to show that DL will still have enough gate space to add a plethora of new flights and destinations.
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
Finally, they should wait for NW to liquidate and buy their Asian network

I wouldn't hold my breath. I am all for DL buying up NW's asian route network however I don't really wanna see NW be the next to fall. I would much rather a Star member go down. I would like to see the SkyTeam stay in tact.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 5):
How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?

Wahoo! That would be better than sex! LOL
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 5):
How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
I would love it!



Quoting BA747400 (Reply 7):
I got goosebumps when you said that, honestly!



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
If I were seeing that, I'd seriously have to drop the booze



Quoting GSPITNL (Reply 9):
Wahoo! That would be better than sex! LOL

It's been already said that DL won't be getting the aircraft to do this while in BK. The plan is to announce a new order upon the BK exit. I'd expect 777 and 787.

That said, SIN, HKG, and SYD I would not hold out for. If that happens at all, it's a looooong ways off.

PEK...Delta SHOULD get that for 2008, it's likely.
BOM...well, they already serve there.
JNB / CPT...Might just be announced this year (remember where you heard it!)

If you really want to look at potential international expansion cities, look at popular cities that don't have a US carrier already on them, that can only support one US carrier. Delta has already expressed an interest in the middle east....I'd be looking in that direction...

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 10):
Delta has already expressed an interest in the middle east....I'd be looking in that direction...

Could we see the resumption of CAI? What other cities in the Middle East does DL have in mind if any?
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting BA (Reply 11):
Could we see the resumption of CAI? What other cities in the Middle East does DL have in mind if any?

Can't give out the specifics, but the cities you'd expect...

Just to be clear, because of our history BA...I'm not saying these are GOING to happen, just that Delta is considering these cities right now, with some more likely than others...

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 10):
JNB / CPT...Might just be announced this year (remember where you heard it!)

what you think about this idea:

763 JFK - RECIFE - CPT 3 x week
763 ATL - RECIFE - JNB 3 x week
and
763 JFK - RECIFE - JNB 2 x week
763 ATL - RECIFE - CPT 2 x week

Both flights connect in REC to transfer pax to each other. (That airport is beautiful and modern. Good for connections)
Then code share with Gol (?) from REC to the northeast cities in Brazil

As you know, there is a company already running JFK-REC charters and the potential of NE BRazil is very promising for tourism. Another caribbean.
The traffic REC-SOUTH AFRICA might be minimal, but connections/code-shares could help.

.. of course... this is all tentative until they get the 777LR!!  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:09 am

DL will continue to expand internationally and domestically from ATL and JFK. SLC will also likely gain additional flights to Midwest and Eastern markets, as well as some Mexican destinations. SLC-CDG could occur eventually if DL continues to expand SLC the way they've been doing. I don't see CVG gaining anything besides maybe some weekend flights to more Caribbean destinations. I expect the majority of DL's expansion to occur out of ATL and JFK, with SLC gaining here and there.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 5):
How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?

Don't know about the others, but BOM is happening soon. DL are moving their JFK-CDG-BOM flight to ATL-CDG-BOM next change.
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:16 am

some more international flights to Europe out of CVG would be great! maybe even Asia (although i know that won't happen)...(did they used to offer CVG-Asia flights)...
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 16):
did they used to offer CVG-Asia flights)...

Both Tokyo and Nagoya at different times, with a stop in Portland, OR.

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 16):
some more international flights to Europe out of CVG would be great!

Would be nice, but won't happen.

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 12):
Can't give out the specifics, but the cities you'd expect...

Hmm, with MEA soon joining Skyteam, maybe BEY would be an interesting idea.
Or ATL-DXB, before EK can launch that route Big grin .
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:21 am

I think they'll expand at Mojave & Victorville.... Wink
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:24 am

Middle eastern expansion would be interesting...they would be the first american airline to do such right (becides CO to TLV)?
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 13):
what you think about this idea:

A new city like that won't be awarded that type of service. If it was done via somewhere in S.AM, I'd say GRU. It's already a fairly big int'l operation for SA)">DL so it has the infrastructure, and SA)">DL is very happy with those folks down there that run it. SA)">DL is also shitting green out of GRU, more motive right there.

Then again, with a freed up 777, maybe via a N. African city is more likely. Remember, think cities that can only support one US carrier. That SA codeshare isn't going to last forever!  Wink

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:42 am

As interesting as this all sounds it's going to take DL awhile to digest the massive international expansion they have planned for this year. I think it is going to be a few years before they announce any more aggressive expansion projects, notably to Africa, the Middle East (outside of Israel) or Asia.
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
Hmm, with MEA soon joining Skyteam, maybe BEY would be an interesting idea.

Well, at the risk of being on the receiving end of another novel from the likes of BA (  Wink ) MEA isn't "joining" ST. They'll be at the associate level, which mean the partners can codeshare on them if they choose to. I don't see DL choosing to, I don't see DL flying to BEY to feed them, as they don't really go anywhere DL doesn't already have well covered, and I sure don't see a stand alone USA-BEY flight.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
Or ATL-DXB, before EK can launch that route

(ahem)  Wink Tho not necessarily out of ATL, DXB is quite attractive.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 22):
(ahem) Tho not necessarily out of ATL, DXB is quite attractive.

Is JFK-DXB or ATL-DXB possible non-stop with DL's 777? I know that when DL previously flew to DXB, there was a stop in CAI (but that was with the M11).

Also, can DL's 777's go non-stop to JNB or CPT from either JFK/ATL? There currently aren't any non-stops between the US and South Africa, so if DL wanted to, they could even offer this route with a 763 and have a tech stop - wouldn't put them at any disadvantage.
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 22):
Well, at the risk of being on the receiving end of another novel from the likes of BA ( Wink ) MEA isn't "joining" ST. They'll be at the associate level, which mean the partners can codeshare on them if they choose to

Eh, as an outsider, it's all the same for me  Wink .

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 22):
Tho not necessarily out of ATL, DXB is quite attractive.

JFK-DXB, trying to push the limits of the 772ER?

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 23):
Also, can SA)">DL's 777's go non-stop to JNB or CPT from either JFK/ATL?

Theoretically, yes, but when you factor in still air, and most importantly altitude and temperature in South Africa, only with severe payload restrictions, which are never a good thing.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 23):
There currently aren't any non-stops between the US and South Africa, so if SA)">DL wanted to, they could even offer this route with a 763 and have a tech stop - wouldn't put them at any disadvantage.

It certainly wouldn't, hence the constant rumors about GRU-SA flights. 763ERs are easier for SA)">DL to pull than 777s. Not to mention that there definitely is a market for Southeast US-South Africa flights that will still be there when SAA is gone to IAD completely. And with good yields as well.
And once the 772LR arrives at Delta...
Okay, that's taking it a bit far, but one can dream, right  Wink .
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 24):
JFK-DXB, trying to push the limits of the 772ER?

MH used to operate EWR-DXB with the 772ER before switching the flight over to ARN instead. Don't know whether they had payload restrictions though.

I'm sure DXB is being looked at but it will become more difficult now that EK is double daily on JFK-DXB.

JNB seems a more likely candidate (though probably from ATL)...

In any case, interesting speculations....
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 24):
JFK-DXB, trying to push the limits of the 772ER?

Yes, but not with a stop of course!  Wink

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 24):
Theoretically, yes, but when you factor in still air, and most importantly altitude and temperature in South Africa, only with severe payload restrictions, which are never a good thing.

Right. This would also have a stop, regardless of equipment. If SA can pull it off, so can DL.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 22):
Well, at the risk of being on the receiving end of another novel from the likes of BA (   ) MEA isn't "joining" ST.

No my friend, I am not dragging that into here and I have said everything I wanted to say.

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 22):
They'll be at the associate level, which mean the partners can codeshare on them if they choose to. I don't see DL choosing to, I don't see DL flying to BEY to feed them, as they don't really go anywhere DL doesn't already have well covered, and I sure don't see a stand alone USA-BEY flight.

There will be changes in MEA's route structure next year. AF is going to pressure MEA to re-arrange its schedule to increase available connections and they will maybe open up some new Middle East routes. Nonetheless, MEA won't be a major player in providing connections in the forseeable future, at least I don't think...

Right now, USA-BEY flights cannot happen because there are no air service agreements and there are political issues that prevent it (you're probably jumping in joy right now). If this one day changes and flights between the USA and BEY are allowed, then you will see someone operating JFK-BEY or DTW-BEY or both eventually.

It's been mentioned here before that DL had ambitions to fly JFK-BEY prior to 9/11. But as I said, this route cannot happen until air service agreements between the US and Lebanon are established and who knows when/if it will happen.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:31 am

Yes the news says giving up 16 Gates but don't forget 8 of those Gates are for the intl. Flight from BA Icelandair AM Virgin and I some more I think at times. Virgin has 3 Gates there I think BA one gate Icelandair has 1 and AM uses a delta gate on intl side. And still one for overflow if I remember right. Either delta kept those for that or the intl carries took over them themselves. Cause delta does all the ground handling for them. so just remember that too.
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:08 am

Quote:
If this one day changes and flights between the USA and BEY are allowed, then you will see someone operating JFK-BEY or DTW-BEY or both eventually.

I agree. I am suprised there arent more flights from DTW - Middle East (other than RJ)...maybe Emirates will announce soon (just kidding)...How long has RJ been operating out of DTW?
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:21 am

Is there really enough traffic between the US and BEY to support a daily flight? That's pretty interesting, never thought about it as a potential destination from the US before.
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 5):
How 'bout a nice row of 777-232LRs all lined up at ATL Terminal E for midnight departures to SIN, HKG, SYD, JNB, PEK, BOM?

4 Widgets 4 Longhaul!

God wouldn't that be a dream.

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 18):
I think they'll expand at Mojave & Victorville....

Sorry mate, hate to say but the widget is here to stay.

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 10):
It's been already said that DL won't be getting the aircraft to do this while in BK. The plan is to announce a new order upon the BK exit. I'd expect 777 and 787.

And hopefully they'll announce GE engines to go along with those new birds Wink NonRev - don't give too much info away...
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 30):
Is there really enough traffic between the US and BEY to support a daily flight?

Not too sure about Emirates to DTW. The Arab population in DTW is mostly Lebanese, Palestinian, Jordanian, and Iraqi.

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 29):
How long has RJ been operating out of DTW?

Good question. I'll try to find out. I know New York started in 1977.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 30):
Is there really enough traffic between the US and BEY to support a daily flight? That's pretty interesting, never thought about it as a potential destination from the US before.

Probably not daily. Not even Royal Jordanian is daily.

The market for USA-BEY is larger than USA-AMM, however, Royal Jordanian does operate to JFK, ORD, and DTW and they do well on them, especially in the summer time. ORD I believe struggles a little bit in the winter however, but they still operate it.

MEA operated flights to JFK on 747-200s between 1983 and 1985. Increasingly difficult times in Lebanon during the civil war (1985 was a very bad year) forced them to discontinue the route.

Take a look at this page:
http://www.geocities.com/wassch71/cedarjet103.html

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 30):
Is there really enough traffic between the US and BEY to support a daily flight? That's pretty interesting, never thought about it as a potential destination from the US before.

There isn't. That's the beauty of codeshare.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 31):
And hopefully they'll announce GE engines to go along with those new birds

I would hope so, as much as GE has done for DL!

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 33):
There isn't. That's the beauty of codeshare.

The market for USA-BEY is larger than USA-AMM, yet the latter has flights. How do you explain that?
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:03 am

DL just announced that it will go head to head with rival FL on routes to MCO. Beginning May 24 of this year DL will begin to offer daily non-stop service to MLI, BMI, ROC, PHF and ICT all service will be on CRJ's. All these cities are already served by FL on the MCO market only time will tell how profitable it will be. Here is the article I found on there expansion to these cities.

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/01/21/news/104346.txt

Here are also a few price quotes I was able to gather from DL's and FL's websites:

ICT-MCO DL:$239.71 FL:$301.50
MLI-MCO DL:$287.10 FL:$277.10
PHF-MCO DL:$212.59 FL:202.50
BMI-MCO DL:217.10 FL:$247.10
ROC-MCO DL:$147.10 FL:$237.10

DL is very competitive in price its just a matter if FL will begin to lower there prices anymore to below what DL is asking for.

[Edited 2006-01-22 03:24:17]
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting BA (Reply 27):
you're probably jumping in joy right now

Why? Anyone who thinks thinks the Beirut of 20 years ago is anything like the Beirut of today, couldn't find their ass both hands even with if they had a map.
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 36):
Why? Anyone who thinks thinks the Beirut of 20 years ago is anything like the Beirut of today, couldn't find their ass both hands even with if they had a map.

It's a thing between me and NonRevKing. Check out the MEA joining SkyTeam thread made a few days ago and you'll see why I said he's probably jumping in joy.  Smile

And yes, you're absolutely right, I'm not denying that.
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:28 am

Quoting BA (Reply 34):
The market for USA-BEY is larger than USA-AMM, yet the latter has flights. How do you explain that?



Quoting MarkATL (Reply 36):
Why? Anyone who thinks thinks the Beirut of 20 years ago is anything like the Beirut of today, couldn't find their ass both hands even with if they had a map.

^ There's your answer, fishbulb.

Jordan has the impression of being a lot safer and more appealing to Americans.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting BA (Reply 34):
The market for USA-BEY is larger than USA-AMM, yet the latter has flights. How do you explain that?



Quoting MarkATL (Reply 36):
Why? Anyone who thinks thinks the Beirut of 20 years ago is anything like the Beirut of today, couldn't find their ass both hands even with if they had a map.

^ There's your answer, fishbulb.

Jordan has the impression of being a lot safer and more appealing to Americans. Beirut is um...yeah.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 39):
Jordan has the impression of being a lot safer and more appealing to Americans. Beirut is um...yeah.

You still missed the point. There are more people that travel from the US to Beirut than from the US to Jordan on an annual basis. That means the market is bigger.

This is because the Lebanese population in the US is a lot larger than the Jordanian population. Lebanese are the single largest Arab population in the USA followed by Palestinians.

And by the way, Royal Jordanian's flights to the USA cater VFR (Visitors, Friends, and Relatives) traffic. That's why they fly to the three key cities with large Arab populations, especially Detroit.

The 709 seats per day between Beirut and Paris are to cater for connections to Canada and the USA.

Why do you think Air Canada announced 3x weekly 763ER service from YUL to BEY back in March 2003? It's to cater the large Lebanese population in YUL. Not because a lot of Montreal-based tourists flock to Beirut.

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 40):
Why do you think Air Canada announced 3x weekly 763ER service from YUL to BEY back in March 2003? It's to cater the large Lebanese population in YUL. Not because a lot of Montreal-based tourists flock to Beirut.

Super. Seems like BEY is covered then huh?

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 41):
Super. Seems like BEY is covered then huh?

My friend, it never materialized again because of politics. They were forced to cancel a day before the service was to start. I'll leave this story for the Canadians.

And even if it did materialize, the flight was not designed to cater connections from the US. If this was their goal, then they would have had the flight operate from YYZ where AC offers much more transborder services.
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 42):
And even if it did materialize, the flight was not designed to cater connections from the US. If this was their goal, then they would have had the flight operate from YYZ where AC offers much more transborder services.

Why are we discussing this? I don't care about AC planned service, I don't care why there's more service to AMM. The topic is "Where is DL going to next?" It's not BEY.

Next!

Or are you trying to get into a pissing match with me every chance you get?

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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 43):
Why are we discussing this?

Because you brought it in.

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 43):
I don't care about AC planned service, I don't care why there's more service to AMM.

Then why did you point it out?

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 43):
The topic is "Where is DL going to next?" It's not BEY.

I'm not the one who brought BEY into this thread. I asked about CAI and what other potential destinations DL has in mind.

And I agree with you, we won't see DL to BEY, but if air service agreements between the US and Lebanon are signed, then somebody will eventually operate flights between the US and BEY because there is a market for it.

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 43):
Next!

How are the loads looking on DL's upcoming BUD service? A very wise move in my opinion as tourism to Hungary is on the rise, especially from the US. Same goes for PRG. It's good that DL code-shares on OK's daily flight.

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 43):
Or are you trying to get into a pissing match with me every chance you get?

Look who's talking my friend. You're the one that turned it into a pissing match, not me...
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:09 pm

South Africa with a stop is just as possible on a DL 767 as it is on South Africa's 744s and A340s. Because of JNB altitude, not many aircraft are going to be able to fly far from there.

One of the by-products of converting 764s to int'l service is to free up 777s for Asian or middle east service. Even with the current fleet of 8 aircraft, DL is capable of flying at least one more 777 route on top of ATL-Beijing. A 777-200ER from ATL is pretty well limited to Beijing and Asian cities North and east but from JFK can go much deeper into Asia. I would look there although the middle east probably can work well from ATL and can be done with one incremental aircraft when tied to an ATL-Asia flight. ie ATL-NRT plus ATL-TLV takes 3 aircraft; ATL-PEK plus ? would still only take 6 aircraft total. Another route could still be done with the current 8 777-200ERs although something would probably need to fly less than daily to provide maintenance time.
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:05 pm

I would like to see DL use their Skyteam partnership a little better. Maybe fly to ICN and codeshare with NW/CO and KE.

But my dream would be that they come back to FUK and NGO. But.. hey...dreams are dreams.
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:49 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 46):
I would like to see DL use their Skyteam partnership a little better. Maybe fly to ICN and codeshare with NW/CO and KE.

There's a reason why Korean flies to Atlanta  Wink .

Btw. what is the status of the 5 777s that DL still has on order?
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 46):
my dream would be that they come back to FUK and NGO. But.. hey...dreams are dreams

Great Idea! Bring back the PDX Asian hub! NGO, FUK, ICN and PVG! Man I miss seeing the MD-11s lined up at the 'D' gates  Smile They could even fly a 777 to SYD and/or AKL  Wink
 
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RE: Where Will DL Expand Next?

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:12 pm

DL has yet to accept or reject their Boeing order in bankruptcy but I'm betting they will affirm it, and as some have expressed, convert their remaining 777 orders to 777-200LRs which are necessary to fly from ATL and JFK deep into Asia.

As for S. Korea, Korean does do a very good job of working w/ DL. The real benefit of codesharing is that DL now sees how valuable the markets beyond ICN are. That is also why DL knows how valuable S. Africa is.

DL and NW also filed with the DOT to codeshare beyond each other's Euro hubs so DL will start putting its code on KL flights beyond AMS and NW beyond CDG. As for beyond NRT flights, I believe I've read that DL would like to codeshare on NW beyond NRT but the US-Japan bilateral only allows one codeshare partner and CO already has that designation. I think you will see DL and NW move even closer together this year - generating more revenue this year and making it harder for them to be pulled apart in the future. AMS is a good new home for some converted DL 764s, too.  Smile