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Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:19 am

The father of the Chalk's amphibian that crashed off of Miami Beach last month , has sued Chalk's for wrongful death. The father is seeking damages of 100M for the estate of his daughter, Captain Michelle marks. The suit alleges that Chalk's knew the airplane was not properly maintained since 1991.

Source: The Miami Herald, 21 JAN 06, Local section.

The firm handling the suit is none other than Motley Rice, with the case being handled by Mary Schiavo. "on aging aircraft, you must have a program to arrest and fix and do something about corrosion," said the attorney.

"this airplane belonged in a museum, it didn't belong flying people back and forth accross the islands," said J.B. Harris, a partner in Motley Rice. "It was a relic."

That being said, IMHO, these people are as full of crap as a Christmas Goose.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
The suit alleges that Chalk's knew the airplane was not properly maintained since 1991.



Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
"this airplane belonged in a museum, it didn't belong flying people back and forth accross the islands," said J.B. Harris, a partner in Motley Rice. "It was a relic."

That's lawyers for you. It seems, from these statements, you don't have to maintane a vintage aircraft for, at least, 14 years?

It was a tragic accident. but, please let the ambalance chasers wait, at least, until the final accident report, with contributing factors, causes, and other conclusions, is released from the NTSB.

BTW, I'll bet Motley Rice signed for 40%-50% of the settlement.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
case being handled by Mary Schiavo

EVERYONE should read Mary Shiavo's book "Flying Safe, Flying Blind".

Shiavo is the former Inspector General of the USA Department of Transportation and a champion of air safety.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 2):

Shiavo is the former Inspector General of the USA Department of Transportation and a champion of air safety.

No, she's a fear monger.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:25 am

I flew on Chalk in 1976 and 1979. It was one of the most fantastic experiences. From Paradise Island, Bahamas to Miami with a stop in Bimini, where we had time to go for a little walk.

Already then, I felt slightly uncomfortable as they seemed old. In fact LOL they were already about 30 years old.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 2):
EVERYONE should read Mary Shiavo's book "Flying Safe, Flying Blind".

Shiavo is the former Inspector General of the USA Department of Transportation and a champion of air safety.

And, apparently, she's also an idiot. As has been said MANY TIMES, there is nothing unsafe about flying old aircraft when properly maintained. Now, obviously something was missed on that plane. Personally, I don't believe it was due to negligence by the company, but apparently the pilot's father thinks so and that's what the lawyers are going to try to prove.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
No, she's a fear monger.

They don't call her "Scary Mary" for nothing.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:37 pm

I think the tombstone for Chalks has been written. No matter what the outcome of the case.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
The firm handling the suit is none other than Motley Rice, with the case being handled by Mary Schiavo.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - they pulled the plug on the wrong Mrs. Schiavo.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
The firm handling the suit is none other than Motley Rice, with the case being handled by Mary Schiavo.

The same woman who on CNN said that there's no way the Grumman was made earlier than 1960 has no business in this case. What a joke.

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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
I think the tombstone for Chalks has been written. No matter what the outcome of the case.

Valujet, anyone?
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:59 pm

Is this the same woman who determined that ValuJet was using unsafe practices and tried to convince congress in her capacity as inspector general to do something, and then congress smeared her and told her to pack sand? As I recall a couple of months later, ValuJet crashed into the everglades.

She left the federal government because she felt that when she was doing her job, she would get smeared by congress and pressured from special interest groups on the issue, and she didn't want to be a part of this corruption.

She was a great public servant, unfortunately, if this is the same woman I think it is, she is now in the business of filing frivolous lawsuits. The Pinnacle one is certainly that, but I don't know about this one since I don't know the facts.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 2):
EVERYONE should read Mary Shiavo's book "Flying Safe, Flying Blind".

I did and determined that she is

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
a fear monger.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
It was a tragic accident. but, please let the ambalance chasers wait, at least, until the final accident report, with contributing factors, causes, and other conclusions, is released from the NTSB.

I seem to believe that NTSB reports are not admissable in a civil suit.

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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 4):
Personally, I don't believe it was due to negligence by the company, but apparently the pilot's father thinks so and that's what the lawyers are going to try to prove.

Doesn't the captain have right to refuse to fly the plane if he thinks its unsafe? Of course, being as small of an airline (if thats what you call it) as Chalk's is, he'd probably have lost his job for doing so. I would rather lose my job than my life if I knew the plane hadn't been maintained in 14 years. I think Chalk's, as many of you have said, is done no matter the outcome of this case.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 2):
EVERYONE should read Mary Shiavo's book "Flying Safe, Flying Blind".

..and when they do so, they should count all the mistakes that she made in it, mistakes that suggested (to many) that she's not exactly the "expert" that claims to be. Accordingly, she has credibility problems with many, and seems to be a good application of the old addage that "even a busted clock is correct twice a day..."
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:38 am

Schiavo is a non-expert. She like aviation, but seems to have a beef on everyone. The A/C may be old but it wasn't unsafe. Old isn't always bad. its associated with that ideal as when its fuel consumption becomes well under par it moves on to other operators for less money, soon its flying trips in a 3rd world country, with sometimes below standard maintence practices and it eventually crashes and soon its becuase its 20 years old, not that it flew for an airline subsidises by a dictator or something. Personally I'd prefer being on an older more greased up bird than a spanking new plane espcially with engines that are at the start of their life.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 4):
I flew on Chalk in 1976 and 1979. It was one of the most fantastic experiences.

Until the wing falls off and you burn in midair while falling 500 MPH into the ocean. I hope the family gets every penny and others should get compensation also. If a company can't keep it's plane safe for years then they don't deserve to be in business flying people.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:51 am

You know for all your critism....you would do exactally the same thing if you lost your daughter in such a horrible way.....

Rightly or wrongly it is part ig greiving....

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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):
You know for all your critism....you would do exactally the same thing if you lost your daughter in such a horrible way.....

Actually, my parents always taught me that you can't put a price on a human life. Too bad these jerks are trying to profit off of their daughter's death. $100 million is not "punitive," it's outrageous and absolutely despicable.

Now OTOH if they do get awarded some amount (I'm guessing it will be MAYBE a hundredth of that) and donate the entire sum to, say, the AOPA Air Safety Foundation, that'd be a different story altogether, but who honestly believes THAT will happen?

Yeah. Exactly.

I'm sure the captain wouldn't have wanted it that way, besides.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 14):
he'd probably have lost his job for doing so

For the record HER name (the Captan's) name was Michelle Marks.



Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 17):
If a company can't keep it's plane safe for years then they don't deserve to be in business flying people.

I agree with this. No matter how much romance the Chalks operation generates it is a transportation company. I tried to book a flight on this very aircraft in Sept 2005 regardless of it's age as, I put my TRUST in the operator just like I put my trust in the company who operated the 747-400 that took me to the Bahamas.

Let's wait for the outcome of the NTSB investigation and ignore the showboating of the vulture lawers.

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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 19):
$100 million is not "punitive," it's outrageous and absolutely despicable.

The entire "sue everybody for everything" culture is outrageous and despicable.

I understand the need for taking personal responsibility, but does anybody believe that accidents - real accidents - can happen anymore? I don't, because there are too many lawyers out plying their trade who won't let accidents be "accidents."

Has anybody ever noticed how many ridiculous lawsuits are filed where the plantiffs comment that "it's not about money?" If the father thought that his daughter was worth $100 million after her death, why didn't he just spend outrageous amounts of money insuring her for that amount instead? I'll hazard an answer to that - it's easier to make everybody else pay instead.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 19):
Now OTOH if they do get awarded some amount (I'm guessing it will be MAYBE a hundredth of that) and donate the entire sum to, say, the AOPA Air Safety Foundation, that'd be a different story altogether, but who honestly believes THAT will happen?

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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 19):
Too bad these jerks are trying to profit off of their daughter's death. $100 million is not "punitive," it's outrageous and absolutely despicable

I agree

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 19):
Now OTOH if they do get awarded some amount (I'm guessing it will be MAYBE a hundredth of that) and donate the entire sum to, say, the AOPA Air Safety Foundation, that'd be a different story altogether, but who honestly believes THAT will happen?

It probably will not but I do I remember seeing a story after the crash with her husband where he was trying to start a memorial and have the money go towards marine biology research of some kind since that was what she studied in college and it was something they both enjoyed together. Is the husband also involved in this lawsuit?

I have no problem with victims of air disasters being compensated for losses however, I would at least wait and hear the results from the investigation before filing suit. I also doubt Chalks had any malicious intent with their maintenance, think about it the cost of routine maintenance is far less then financially breaking a company to pay lawsuits such as this and the others that may or may not follow.

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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 4):
Already then, I felt slightly uncomfortable as they seemed old. In fact LOL they were already about 30 years old.

Old does not equate to unsafe. SAA has 2 DC-4s in regular use, one is the last DC-4 ever built, completed in August 1947 and is perfectly safe due to the meticulous maintenence it receives.

30 years old, was it a NW-DC9? lol
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
No, she's a fear monger.

Monger? LOL, Haven't heard that one in awhile. Get off it, the woman points out certain things, most of them are important to air safety. Lose the propaganda, you sound like Howard Dean.

Quoting Viggen (Reply 13):
I seem to believe that NTSB reports are not admissable in a civil suit.

Makes sense, you all fail to realize that the NTSB's final findings are still probable cause. This is far from actually saying what happened. I think when a plane falls apart in mid air it is reasonable to assume many things. One is age and the other is maintenance. I think this lawsuit is a bit premature but Chalks may be in trouble.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 17):
Until the wing falls off and you burn in midair while falling 500 MPH into the ocean. I hope the family gets every penny and others should get compensation also. If a company can't keep it's plane safe for years then they don't deserve to be in business flying people.

Dude, take it easy there. ONE incident, however horrible, cannot prove a lack of maintenance. Now, if they open up the wings of other planes and several have issues, THEN you could claim poor maintenance and the like.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):
You know for all your critism....you would do exactally the same thing if you lost your daughter in such a horrible way.....

Umm, no. I don't have any kids yet, but no amount of money will bring a lost loved one back.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:49 am

Lets wait for the NTSB report before we do all this fingerpointing
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 24):
Makes sense, you all fail to realize that the NTSB's final findings are still probable cause. This is far from actually saying what happened.

There is still, of course, a big difference between probable cause and possible cause(s)....  Wink
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 24):

Monger? LOL, Haven't heard that one in awhile. Get off it, the woman points out certain things, most of them are important to air safety. Lose the propaganda, you sound like Howard Dean.

Where were you to defend her asinine statement that Foreign built planes are unsafe? You sure stayed away from that thread.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
Quoting Door5Right (Reply 2):

Shiavo is the former Inspector General of the USA Department of Transportation and a champion of air safety.


No, she's a fear monger.

Publicity hound is more like it.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
I think the tombstone for Chalks has been written. No matter what the outcome of the case.

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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):
You know for all your critism....you would do exactally the same thing if you lost your daughter in such a horrible way.....

Rightly or wrongly it is part ig grieving....

Suing is now part of the grieving process?
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:28 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 11):
Is this the same woman who determined that ValuJet was using unsafe practices and tried to convince congress in her capacity as inspector general to do something, and then congress smeared her and told her to pack sand? As I recall a couple of months later, ValuJet crashed into the everglades.

I thought it was not all ValuJet fault. I thought it was the maintnece company which did not put a hazardous material lable on the cargo which was sent to the ill-fated DC-9 that day.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
I think the tombstone for Chalks has been written. No matter what the outcome of the case.

Well maybe someone will buy the naming rights and start another Chalks and maybe this time with some newer planes? I would imagine the name will still be worth money. But hopefully things work out.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 30):
I thought it was not all ValuJet fault.

It was a ValuJet manager's fault. He found those things at the airport, didn't know what they were so he put them on the flight to ATL since that was their base. He had NO IDEA what they were or the danger.....

I think the family is in every right to sue. They lost a daughter in what appears to be maintenance problems with the A/C. If you're gonna have older planes flying, you MUST keep up with maintenance....doesn't look like Chalks was.....

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 30):
Well maybe someone will buy the naming rights and start another Chalks and maybe this time with some newer planes? I would imagine the name will still be worth money. But hopefully things work out.

a big part of the airline's history are those planes and their "uniqueness".....last time I checked they aren't making new seaplanes like that. So, getting rid of those planes would mean that they would become just another airline serving the Bahamas. Besides, if the investigation findings point blame at Chalks.....all th at "name still worth money" will be GONE.....
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 31):
It was a ValuJet manager's fault. He found those things at the airport, didn't know what they were so he put them on the flight to ATL since that was their base. He had NO IDEA what they were or the danger.....

Not to get any further off-topic, but the SabreTech folks also made some goofs, and a major one was not installing the protective caps on the ends of the oxygen generators to prevent their activation.

Anyone interested in more details of who did what to who and when, etc. might want to take a look at the NTSB report on the accident, rather than to hash it all out here on this thread...
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 31):
I think the family is in every right to sue. They lost a daughter in what appears to be maintenance problems with the A/C. If you're gonna have older planes flying, you MUST keep up with maintenance....doesn't look like Chalks was.....

Ultimate responsibility of deciding if an A/C is fit for flight rests with the PIC. Her family/estate can be looking forward to some nice large suits of their own.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:32 pm

You know, FWIW, it seems from the pre-accident publicity that the Chalks folks, rightly or wrongly, believed that they were running a very safe operation. They babied those aircraft, as documented in a magazine article published before the accident, taking them out of the water and hanging them up every night, making parts to repair them, really loving them. If their maintenance program missed something (as it appears that it did), there is perhaps some blame. But to act as if they knowingly flew unsafe aircraft is just crap.

As to Schiavo, none of her complaints about ValuJet had anything whatsoever to do with what caused the Everglades crash, which wouldn't have gotten nearly the media storm that it did if they had found the CVR right away. As to it being a ValuJet manager's "fault", uh, read the report.

I'm curious what the standard is on an accident like this, as I don't see how this isn't covered by worker's comp, unless Florida has some kind of wierd exception in their statute.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:38 pm

Just one question... according to what i've been learning at UND... the PIC is responsible to make sure the aircraft is airworthy. Are the lawyers saying it was not properly maintained as in it wasnt airworthy? or that chalk's didnt go above and beyond that and that is their fault. Getting hired by Chalks... you must know youre going to be flying and aircraft that is very very old, and like most very very old things, it, in most cases, wont be as perfectly lubricated as a very very new thing. I am not being disrespectful, but i feel that she as a captain of this old flying machine would not have agreed with her father?

comments please, no hate.

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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 16):
The A/C may be old but it wasn't unsafe.

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You consider a plane falling apart in mid-air is safe?
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 36):
You consider a plane falling apart in mid-air is safe?

I think what he is saying is that merely because an airframe is an older airframe, it is not by definition "unsafe"; it can be kept safe.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 36):
You consider a plane falling apart in mid-air is safe?

I'm thinking he may have meant that just because it was old doesn't inherently mean that it is unsafe.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:29 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 15):
Accordingly, she has credibility problems with many, and seems to be a good application of the old addage that "even a busted clock is correct twice a day..."

I had a digital clock that read 88:88 all the time, flashing. Which two times of day is that right?  Wink
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Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 28):
Where were you to defend her asinine statement that Foreign built planes are unsafe? You sure stayed away from that thread.

Didn't see the thread, I wouldn't say they are unsafe but I believe US made aircraft are superior.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 30):
I thought it was not all ValuJet fault. I thought it was the maintnece company which did not put a hazardous material lable on the cargo which was sent to the ill-fated DC-9 that day.

Well we argued this, for someone to claim ignorance because it was a sub contractor I feel is bad. If Valujet was in the business of flying people they should at least make sure the people that work for them are doing the right thing. Which Sabre didn't.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:45 pm

wouldn't she have noticed any stress or cracks in her preflight inspection?

I think seaplanes would go through some sort of outer preflight inspection..

But then again, I've never flown in one, nor seen one..
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 41):
wouldn't she have noticed any stress or cracks in her preflight inspection?

Not unless she was Superwoman, and used her X-ray vision to detect the internal crack in the wing spar...

I don't think there was a thing that either of the pilots could have done....
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 42):
Not unless she was Superwoman, and used her X-ray vision to detect the internal crack in the wing spar...

I don't think there was a thing that either of the pilots could have done....

Yeah no doubt on that, however she ultimately must have been satisfied that the a/c was airworthy, and that inspections were complete.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:45 pm

It seems to me that sueing before the NTSB report is somewhat premature.

How about reading the report, and then deciding if the airline were negligant.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 44):
It seems to me that sueing before the NTSB report is somewhat premature

But it does get Scary Mary where she wants to be: in the spot light. She now can stand on her soap box and preach that any airplane built before 1986 should be in a museum.

There is no way the person doing the walk around inspectio could have seen this. The spar is covered on the bottom by the lower wing skin and on the aft end by the web. Not to mention the aft end was in the flap well.

The only thing I found was the crappy workmanship; the double-drilled hole, the failure to de-bur the doubler...
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Jat74l (Reply 20):
For the record HER name (the Captan's) name was Michelle Marks.

Thank you for the correction. I didn't know it was a female pilot and I apologize for my mistake. RIP to everybody on the flight that day.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:57 pm

You know, I have to say... I really hope this is NOT the end of Chalks. Every airline unfortuantely has an accident at some point... and the the unfortunate truth is that most airline accidents result in death... this is a part of life. Chalks is part of the history and community here in South Florida and the Bahamas... not to mention a true mode of commuting back and forth for many people. If the planes are inspected thoroughly and any deficiencies are addressed... I'd fly them.

Anyway, I think the 100 million dollar lawsuit is a disgrace. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I truly believe that in a wrongful death situation, only dependent relatives should be able to sue for an estimated lost income of that person. So if the person died at 30... and if the average life span age is 70 (which I have no idea what it really is)... you're talking about 40 years lost salary... so take whatever the annual salary was, multiply it by 40... and there you go... that's the maximum award. Of course you should probably only multiply it by lost years that they would have been able to work (ie. retirement age) and then add in what would have been a reasonable retirement benefit. I know... I sound cheap and heartless... but that's my honest opinion.

In terms of money for pain and suffering, well we all go through pain and suffering in life... why should yours be worth something and mine not? Perhaps I should sue God the next time a relative dies unexpectedly or in a car crash?? I'd REALLY like to know just how 100 million or even just a 1 million would make this all better for the parents? It won't... and people need to stop being so greedy. Oh and the argument that they just want to 'punish' the company financially to make them pay for what happened... well publicity is already taking care of that... and unless you're signing a legal document first saying that ALL financial settlements are going 100% to charity... then don't bother with the argument... you're no better than them. I guess greed does make the world go round... how sad.
 
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:54 pm

Interesting that Michelle's hubby hasn't sued. Unfortunately this is a risk we all take working in the business.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Chalks get one or two Caravan Amphibians to use temporarily until the Mallards are approved to fly. N130FB is in pieces, N142PA is undergoing some intensive care from what friends @ OP tell me.
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RE: Captain's Family Sues Chalk's For 100M

Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting Pmanchuk (Reply 47):
Anyway, I think the 100 million dollar lawsuit is a disgrace. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I truly believe that in a wrongful death situation, only dependent relatives should be able to sue for an estimated lost income of that person. So if the person died at 30... and if the average life span age is 70 (which I have no idea what it really is)... you're talking about 40 years lost salary... so take whatever the annual salary was, multiply it by 40... and there you go... that's the maximum award. Of course you should probably only multiply it by lost years that they would have been able to work (ie. retirement age) and then add in what would have been a reasonable retirement benefit. I know... I sound cheap and heartless... but that's my honest opinion.

No flames here, I agree with you for the most part.
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