lhrneighbour
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Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:00 am

On Thursday night (around 11.30pm on the 19th of January) I arrived back at Stansted, and at one gate stood a Qantas 747-400 full of passengers, presumably waiting for push back. I can't seem to find a thread or link as to why it was there.

I did hear from a friend that before Christmas, Qantas was leaving Heathrow and then getting more fuel at Stansted because of the Hemel Hempsted oil depot incident. When I heard that I immediately dismissed it because it sounded absolutley daft! All airports in the South East are linked to other oil depots and fuel can be got from any number of others.

But having seen a Qantas 747 with my own eyes at Stansted I don't know what to believe. I presume Qantas don't operate a scheduled flight from Stansted?

It did look pretty cool, standing proud amongst the rows of easyJet and Ryanair aircraft!!
James
 
Door5Right
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RE: Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:02 am

Some Qantas and SQ flights have indeed been touching down at Stansted to take on sufficient fuel for the flights to Oz owing to the rationing at Heathrow.
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lhrneighbour
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RE: Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:15 am

I thought it would be down to the fuel 'problem' but it seemed odd that it was parked at a gate with the jetty extended. Surely, if it was just 'topping-up' on fuel it would have just pulled onto a stand away from the terminal? Imagine the extra costs involved for the airlines to 'fill-up' elesewhere. I know Heathrow has a pipeline to an oil depot in Southampton too, so I wonder why Singapore and Qantas are "victimised" for their fuel consumption at LHR? Bizarre, but that's life!
James
 
whitehatter
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RE: Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting LHRneighbour (Reply 2):
wonder why Singapore and Qantas are "victimised" for their fuel consumption at LHR?

fuel contracts.

Heathrow is not some great socialist fueltopia. Some fuel companies have been more hit than others. It's no different to a fire at a Shell refinery causing problems at Shell garages, so if you have a Shell chargecard for fuel then you can't use it at Esso or BP.

Most airports have multiple fuel suppliers.
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vv701
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RE: Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 1):
Some Qantas and SQ flights have indeed been touching down at Stansted to take on sufficient fuel for the flights to Oz owing to the rationing at Heathrow.



Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 3):
Heathrow is not some great socialist fueltopia. Some fuel companies have been more hit than others.

There is still fuel rationing at LHR following the Buncefield fire. While most airlines are understanding this is not true of all;
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...ed+by+Heathrow+fuel+rationing.html
You will see in this article that BAA and not the oil companies are controlling the rationing. I understand that the arguments for placing a higher reduction in supplies to those airlines not based at LHR is because it is those airlines that are suffering the most. So, while the complaining American airlines are only impacted on their US to LHR services, Virgin Atlantic is impacted on the majority of the flights it makes and so its additional costs are very much higher than those quoted by AA and UA.

The same, of course, applies to the other two based airlines, British Airways and bmi. However they are able to avoid the Qantas and South African intermediate stops by 'over filling' their shorthaul aircraft and taking up a full fuel allocation on long haul aircraft. Although this might seem to be 'unfair' think of it another way. They are having to fly into LHR around 20 per cent of all the fuel that their LHR fleets use. So again the increased costs that AA and UA are complaining about are just small change to the costs in absolute terms that the three LHR based airlines are experiencing even though those costs are a smaller proportion of their normal total LHR fuel bill.
 
SQno1
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RE: Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 1):
Some Qantas and SQ flights have indeed been touching down at Stansted to take on sufficient fuel for the flights to Oz owing to the rationing at Heathrow.

Although I am not too sure about QF, SQ 317 and SQ 321 are now going non-stop to Singapore, SQ 319 goes non-stop on FRIDAYS only, on other days the flight makes a fuel stop in FRA.

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...VDYn4FLRnkx!-1731528879!-924968900
 
CalAir
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RE: Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:32 am

Could it have been a cruise charter?
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aussie747
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RE: Qantas 747 At Stansted

Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:41 am

Here is the timetable for QF2

QF 2
---------------------------------------------------------------
BRD TIME T D/I OFF TIME T D/I FLY/GROUND EQP E
LHR 2145 4 D STN 2230 D :45/ :55 744 E
STN 2325 I BKK 1730 # 1 I 11:05/ 1:20 744 E
BKK 1850 # 2 I SYD 0740 * 1 I 8:50 744 E
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TOTAL FLYING TIME LHR - SYD 20:40
TOTAL GROUND TIME LHR - SYD 2:15
TOTAL JOURNEY TIME LHR - SYD 22:55
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CLASSES
LHR-STN F A J C D Y B H K M R L V S N Q O