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ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:49 am

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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:52 am

I love the inaccuracies in this article:

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Despite SFO’s long-standing campaign to recruit discount airlines, ATA will be the fourth in a list of low-fare carriers to part ways with SFO since late last September, when Independence Air announced it would fold because of high fuel prices. In October, Song announced a merger with parent company Delta; then, this winter, WestJet quietly stopped serving SFO, airport representatives said.

Independence didn't announce their folding until right before the shutdown in January.

Song is not merging with Delta, as it was never a separate airline, Songs operations are reverting back to DL.
 
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
Independence didn't announce their folding until right before the shutdown in January.


True, but they did pull out of SFO long before they folded.

I realize that any loss of traffic is not good for SFO, but IMO I don't think that .5% of the total traffic is going to bring down the operation. TZ started downsizing their SFO operation long ago. IIRC they are at 2 dailies to MDW, that's all.
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:41 am

The move definitely makes sense given the codeshare.

So that means that US Airways will have all six gates on Rotunda B to itself. That's enough for a small focus city if they wanted to bother  Wink

I wonder what the Hawaii competition will do to Aloha's flights from OAK.
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 3):
wonder what the Hawaii competition will do to Aloha's flights from OAK.

This can't be good news for AQ. Won't this be ITO's first scheduled passenger service to the mainland in quite some time? Interesting that TZ has chosen ITO over KOA to penetrate the Big Island market from OAK.
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 4):
Won't this be ITO's first scheduled passenger service to the mainland in quite some time? Interesting that TZ has chosen ITO over KOA to penetrate the Big Island market from OAK.

I think they chose ITO because KOA has seen a massive jump in mainland traffic of late and they see the largely empty Hilo as a market they can exploit.
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:16 am

New TZ code share for HOU-LGA as well.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060123/dam045.html?.v=33

Just a FYI.
 
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:50 am

4everRC: Actually they were also 1 daily Hawaii with HNL 4 weekly and OGG 3 weekly. This will be good for HP/US operation as they now will have another gate. I'd love to see AS get gate 25, but don't see it happening.

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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:56 am

I dunno, HP/US wasn't exactly overstretching the five gates they had. They have, max at SFO:

3x CLT
3x PHL
1x PIT
7x LAS
6x PHX

That's not that many flights for 5 gates. I wonder if they'll consider adding any service... that is, if they have any planes to do it.
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting As739x (Reply 7):
I'd love to see AS get gate 25, but don't see it happening.

Not sure what the plans are for the old international terminal, but I would
like to see AS move in there if it is either refurbished or rebuilt.
Better location than the current spot...taxi times would drop quite a bit as
well.
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:19 pm

I hope ATA doesn't meet the same fate as Markair when they moved across the bay.

Is ATA using 738's on all of their HI flights?

I would imagine that ATA would be using current WN gates at OAK.
 
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:06 am

If they are using 737s, how long will the WN pilots allow that to go on? Flying to HI has got to be a choice route not to be left to a codeshare partner?
 
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
Song is not merging with Delta, as it was never a separate airline, Songs operations are reverting back to DL.

you're grasping at straws here. The only legitimate inaccuracy was the wording which made it sound like Indy Air folded in September. How would you have worded it to say that Song was going back into Delta ops and have it as easy to read and understand for the lay-person?
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
Is ATA using 738's on all of their HI flights?

All of the routes from California are on 73Hs (OAK-HNL/OGG/ITO, ONT-HNL, LAX-OGG/HNL). The PHX-HNL/OGG and LAS-HNL routes are still on 752s.
 
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:38 am

I imagine ATA will use WN gates at OAK.
 
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:15 am

I assume when the new addition to Terminal 2 is open, ATA will either operate from 1 or 2 of those gates, or as I think, operate from the gates WN will leave at the end of Terminal 1 (10-17) when WN moves to the new gates.

As for Hilo, I think it will be a better served route now than when only widebodies flew into there from the Mainland as well as the DC-8s.

[Edited 2006-01-24 20:16:12]
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 2):
True, but they did pull out of SFO long before they folded.

But the way the article is worded, it makes it sound as though Indy folded in September of last year.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 12):

you're grasping at straws here. The only legitimate inaccuracy was the wording which made it sound like Indy Air folded in September. How would you have worded it to say that Song was going back into Delta ops and have it as easy to read and understand for the lay-person?

I would have worded it as followed:

In October, Delta announced that the operations of its' low fare airline Song would be transferred into Delta's regular operations.
 
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:38 pm

Problem with SFO is each terminal wing is treated as a business unit.

Every airline is charged for the gates they use, office etc at differing rates depending on customer visibility and retail revenue..

i.e. Gate 1 Highest, Gate 100 cheapest etc. (These are charged by 5 zones based on price).

But additionally each airline using a terminal is charged a service charge divided equally between all the airlines..

ie. 1 flight a day or 100 a day, service charge is the same.

10 airlines and $10 Terminal Svce charge means $1 each..
1 airline and $10 Terminal Svce Charge means $10 to that airline.


When all airlines bail from one terminal that airline that left gets the whole service charge, even if they use the terminal 1 time a day !!

And so the "most shared" low cost terminals tend to fall like a deck of cards, when one goes.

I recall in 2002 when AC, SWA and NWA pulled out from one of the terminals, NWA, AC to different terminals leaving Alaska and National the full bill...
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RE: ATA, Now Departing SFO For OAK

Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 17):
I recall in 2002 when AC, SWA and NWA pulled out from one of the terminals, NWA, AC to different terminals leaving Alaska and National the full bill...

???? NW has always been in the same domestic terminal at SFO, even before the acquisition of RC (and that was in 1986).

[Edited 2006-01-25 14:07:05]
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