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DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:11 pm

Why did Delta put the MD-88's on Delta Shuttle Routes? Why did they switch from the 733s?
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:18 pm

The MD-88s provided for additional capacity....and DL is in the process of retiring all 733s. There was thought to go back to the 738 on the Shuttle, but it is just too big of a plane and DL has other plans for those birds. Plus the MD-88 has a rear exit to help in deplaning.
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Rolo987 (Thread starter):
Why did they switch from the 733s?

DL also had a few 738s dedicated to the shuttle routes:


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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):
Plus the MD-88 has a rear exit to help in deplaning.

Do they really use that rear exit (I'm assuming the MD-88 has stairs in the tail) for deplaning passengers?
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 3):
Do they really use that rear exit (I'm assuming the MD-88 has stairs in the tail) for deplaning passengers?

Yes and yes. Always loved entering from the rear.
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 2):

DL also had a few 738s dedicated to the shuttle routes

DL originally replaced the 727s with 738s, but the capacity was too large, and demand for the Shuttle dropped after 9/11, so they put the 733s on the route. Now they are replacing the 733s with MD88s.
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:39 pm

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 5):
DL originally replaced the 727s with 738s, but the capacity was too large, and demand for the Shuttle dropped after 9/11, so they put the 733s on the route. Now they are replacing the 733s with MD88s.

So I take it demand for shuttle routes is starting to pick up again because:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):
The MD-88s provided for additional capacity....
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 3):
Do they really use that rear exit (I'm assuming the MD-88 has stairs in the tail) for deplaning passengers?

Yes and yes. Always loved entering from the rear.

Maybe in BOS and LGA, but not DCA. There they use the rear left door.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 6):
So I take it demand for shuttle routes is starting to pick up again because

Correct
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:35 pm

Actually I got off the Shuttle BOS-LGA the other day and they used the rear stairs. You walked right on to the tarmac and through a door that led right into the baggage claim. 15 seconds later you were at the cab stand in front of the Marine Air Terminal.

Very very very impressive an convenient.

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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:34 pm

I think the biggest reason fro the change was our wish to get rid of the 737-300G that we have been using on this route. The lease rates are high and the plane is a pain in the ass because of the differnent cockpit config. Sure the press release touted the increased capacity of the MD88 but I think it was more spin than anything. It would have look funny to say "We are switching to the MD88 because it is the smallest mainline jet that will be in our fleet after we retire the stuff we don't want."
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Always loved entering from the rear.

That sentence could be interpreted on so many different ways, particularly on these boards  Wink .

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 10):
think the biggest reason fro the change was our wish to get rid of the 737-300G that we have been using on this route.

I would agree with that, capacity was not the issue, just the fact that the 733s are going, and the 738s, their predecessors, are better used on transcon/international flights, not the short 200-mile hops.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Always loved entering from the rear.

ya, I was gonna mention that, espically after the threads I just read in non-av.

But to the topic at hand, I was booking bos-nyc and it gave me a CRJ on orbitz for more than one flight. Is that right? CJ's on the route?
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 12):
But to the topic at hand, I was booking bos-nyc and it gave me a CRJ on orbitz for more than one flight. Is that right? CJ's on the route?

I know DL via Comair has some like 6 or 7 daily CRJs to JFK. And thats on top of the shuttle service every hour or so to LGA. I have noticed however, in recent trips to nyc, that the Comair flights where much cheaper by $150+ each way.

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edited to mention shuttle to lga, not jfk

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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):
Plus the MD-88 has a rear exit to help in deplaning.

Uhh.. I dunno, I know we never use them for passengers. Only cabin service uses them. I highly doubt they'd use them at an airport with a jetway. But then again, maybe shuttle ops are different, huh? I know mainline DL doesn't do that.
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:13 pm

The shuttle used the rear stairs for the 727, so they could be using them on the MD88.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:35 am

While i was working for DL at JFK, it was procedure to put down the Rear stair's after the aircraft was parked. I never saw anyone use them though.
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 7):
Maybe in BOS and LGA, but not DCA. There they use the rear left door.

Actually, they use the airstair to deplane at all stations. I'm a regular Shuttle customer; in fact I deplaned in DCA today from the rear stair.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 14):
Uhh.. I dunno, I know we never use them for passengers. Only cabin service uses them. I highly doubt they'd use them at an airport with a jetway. But then again, maybe shuttle ops are different, huh? I know mainline DL doesn't do that.

At the Shuttle, you can deplane from the forward door (jetway) and the rear air stair on the MD-88. It was the same when the 727 was on the Shuttle. When the 737 was on the Shuttle, they would roll up air stairs to the 2L door.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Yes and yes. Always loved entering from the rear.

Double entendre aside, I don't believe they board from using the rear airstairs.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 6):
So I take it demand for shuttle routes is starting to pick up again because:

I tell you what, the past 6 times I've flown on them in the last two weeks every flight has been packed full.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 2):
DL also had a few 738s dedicated to the shuttle routes:

I was sitting next to one of the Shuttle pilots (he was deadheading) and he was telling me at one point Boeing, when DL was initially looking at the -800, tried to engineer a rear air stair into the design for the Shuttle. They couldn't make it work though.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:09 am

Yes, Shuttle operations are very different from the rest of Delta. The reason they continue to do well in that market is because they recognize it isn’t a typical domestic market. Provide premium service and people will pay for it.

You can’t also fail to recognize that the 737-800s are “over-qualified” to operate the Shuttle when it comes to their technical capabilities. They are much better suited to doing transcon runs than operating on a 250 mile segment. Tying up a dozen of such a capable airplane doesn’t make sense when there are so many other long-thin routes they could be doing – and considering the 757 is the only other DL narrowbody capable of flying transcon or near transcon routes.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:14 am

On a side note, I flew on a DL Shuttle 738 from ATL-CVG back in 2002. It wasnt a scheduled DL Shuttle Flight but I guess it was an added flight for weekends and they had a spare DL Shuttle 738 for it. I found the DL Shuttle 738's to be a lot more comfortable than a regular mainline DL 738.

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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 19):
I found the DL Shuttle 738's to be a lot more comfortable than a regular mainline DL 738.

One of the perks of the Shuttle. All coach config, but with 36 inches of pitch, so a lot more legroom. On the Shuttle routes, they also serve free alchohol, and in the gates, I believe, is complimentary coffee and juice and choices of complimentary newspapers. They've even started using ex-Shuttle 800's on some Intl routes like ATL-SAL.


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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:34 am

Since the Shuttle is not a big weekend product, there will always be extra Shuttle aircraft seen elsewhere on the weekend as long as DL has a dedicated and unique Shuttle aircraft as DL does. They also are in demand for charters because of the extra space.

The ex-Shuttle 738s are supposed to be reconfigured back to 2 class in the near future and some will be equipped w/ the inseat IFE like Song aircraft. That will be cool!
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 20):
One of the perks of the Shuttle. All coach config, but with 36 inches of pitch, so a lot more legroom. On the Shuttle routes, they also serve free alchohol, and in the gates, I believe, is complimentary coffee and juice and choices of complimentary newspapers. They've even started using ex-Shuttle 800's on some Intl routes like ATL-SAL.

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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 18):
You can’t also fail to recognize that the 737-800s are “over-qualified” to operate the Shuttle when it comes to their technical capabilities. They are much better suited to doing transcon runs than operating on a 250 mile segment. Tying up a dozen of such a capable airplane doesn’t make sense when there are so many other long-thin routes they could be doing – and considering the 757 is the only other DL narrowbody capable of flying transcon or near transcon routes.

Agreed, and this is the main reason they were withdrawn out, I suspect.

One thing to remember is that the 738 entered the market in response to US Airways' replacing their 727s with A320s. Both were due, as I recall, to higher noise standards. Working at DCA while the transition to MD-88s took place, we noted that the MD-88 does not meet the DCA noise restrictions, and a schedule change (or fines) would need to take place.

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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:02 pm

The first 738 shuttle to mainline conversion should be just about done. They were installing seats on it last night.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:30 pm

When are the conversions expected to be complete? Will the Shuttle titles be covered over?
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:39 pm

There are 17 ex shuttle 738 to be converted. It should take a couple of months to convert them all. I think the Shuttle title will be painted over.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:02 am

How did they apply the titles to the MD-88's? Did they just add a decal? I noticed that, on Ship 9008 the Widget and Delta Shuttle "decal" is peeling on right side of the aircraft already.
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 27):
Did they just add a decal?

Most likely. Unless one of the planes was in for heavy maintenance anyway, it wouldn't make sense to spend the money to repaint the entire plane. Althoug, we know the history of DL and paintjobs  Wink .
 
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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Yes and yes. Always loved entering from the rear.

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RE: DL MD88s On Shuttle

Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 20):
One of the perks of the Shuttle. All coach config, but with 36 inches of pitch,

Seat Width/Pitch: Economy Class: 17 in/34-36 in (43 cm/86-91 cm) (According to DL's website)...
http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...ypes_layout/md88_shuttle/index.jsp

Anyone have any idea what are all of DL Shuttle aircrafts? (Would be great to get on one, outside of DCA/LGA/BOS.

Also DL Shuttle aircraft in all coach configuration have 134 seats not 142, as in mainline.

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