saab2000
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Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:26 am

Just trying to get the latest rumors and lies from anyone who has a connection! Big grin

I haven't heard much lately, but personally speculate that the DCA thing could be short lived. I have a fair number of trips there which start and end there and don't see it for a single leg in the middle. Going back to PHL, which seems to be not too bad.

Any rumors about the NWA thing? Bases? Anything? How 'bout the United Express side? That's finishing soon I guess.
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fdex727
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:21 am

No news here, but I sure do miss you guys. I said it when it was announced that getting rid of ZW was a big mistake. Mesa has been nothing short of a disaster at every station I've been at, crews wandering off, crew in-fighting among other things. At least we have the 146's for a little while longer.
 
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:09 am

Fdex727,

Well, when UAL exits bankruptcy I guess things could change. I think we lost our flying not because UAL wanted us gone, but because the bankruptcy court saw it as a place they could save money. Maybe they will invite us back in the future for some flying. I would like to see it happen.

I can't speak for Mesa's operation, but it's not all bad. I flew recently from ATW-ORD on the jumpseat and the Mesa crew did a terrific job, dealing with a ground stop in ATW to holding (because the president was at ORD with Air Force One) to possibly diverting to MKE for fuel. At least that crew was very good.

Anyway, I would like to see some diversification of our flying. I see things slowly starting to improve after a bit of a slow start with US Airways. I think once our IAD base is closed that will help a lot.
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Tornado82
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 2):

I can't speak for Mesa's operation, but it's not all bad. I flew recently from ATW-ORD on the jumpseat and the Mesa crew did a terrific job, dealing with a ground stop in ATW to holding (because the president was at ORD with Air Force One) to possibly diverting to MKE for fuel. At least that crew was very good.

Nice to see one ZW guy who doesn't blast the hell out of Mesa. I've lost respect for a few of your coworkers for being all over Mesa lately, glad to see it's not company-wide!!
 
saab2000
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
Nice to see one ZW guy who doesn't blast the hell out of Mesa. I've lost respect for a few of your coworkers for being all over Mesa lately, glad to see it's not company-wide!!

Well, no need to blast anything I don't know much about. Good people and hard workers exist everywhere. There are also bad apples everywhere. I don't really know a thing about Mesa, except what I hear from others. My own experience was fine.
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:45 pm

Sorry for posting a little late...

I don't know of much that's going on, I will try to see what information I can scare up when I go to work tomorrow. I do miss the sound of those BAe-146's taxiing to their maintenance hangar after the sun goes down. Anyone know what's going on at that hangar? Is it empty now or are they doing something else there? It's more convienent for us as we don't need to move our fuel trucks anymore for those birds to get through, but I wish they would come by more often. If anyone is interested in buying a 146, I could point you in the direction of a few gray and blue ones... Those would look cool in the new UA colors!

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saab2000
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:49 pm

I recently heard a rumor.......

...... that said that an announcement is forthcoming in February. Hmmm.....

But something might need to be done. Why is PHL such a mess? Yesterday it rained and nearly all flights were significantly delayed or even cancelled. And it was never bad at all. The lowest I saw was 3 miles visibility and about a 4000 foot ceiling.

Also, why do we have 3 bases so close to each other? I am convinced something will be announced soon, but what it might be is anyone's guess.
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Tornado82
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 6):
And it was never bad at all. The lowest I saw was 3 miles visibility and about a 4000 foot ceiling.

I bet you guys will have a blast today then with 1/16th, VV001, and RVR of 400 Ft.  Silly
 
saab2000
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
I bet you guys will have a blast today then with 1/16th, VV001, and RVR of 400 Ft.

Everything will be cancelled. In general, PHL is not a bad place, but the fact that they have to go to just one runway as soon as the WX drops a bit is a pity. I do like using rwys 26 and 35.

Anyway, I have off today. I don't care what happens!!! Yesterday was a long day though. Today I am enjoying my morning at Panera and the free Wi-Fi!!!
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:32 am

I heard the same thing SAAB2000, about a Feb announcement, and am trying to get something out of anyone at HDQ. I heard that NW came back to us asking for more info on the flying RFP - but again that is a rumor. It would be very nice to get back to the mid-west.

Here is an interesting read about UA from the USA Today. I'm not sure if we really want to get back with UA based on this doom and gloom.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/colum...telli/2006-01-30-brancatelli_x.htm
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:41 am

ATWZW170,
you are correct, zw doesnt need to get back into the ual system and that terrible operation at ord..after all phl is fine tuned hub Smile
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:47 am

I know, PHL isn't a well run place. We keep going to Piedmont trying to get things changed in the EGOM but we aren't able to do it. We have tried to help with ground operations here....just isn't going to get fixed....I"m basically just sitting back and waiting to see what happens.
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saab2000
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:48 am

ATWZW170 is largely correct. There are a lot of problems in PHL and most of them are not our fault. The level of lethargy among the ground workers needs to be seen to be believed. And PHL is naturally going to have more problems simply because of where it is and the logistics of the 1 runway configuration whenever there are more than a few clouds.

Granted, we have issues at ZW, but things are slowly getting better. We are slowly catching up on the pilot shortage. The biggest issue now is getting the mechanic shortage solved.

I do believe that as soon as our final flying with United is finished we will be able to concentrate on, and achieve, a high level of service for US Airways.
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Tornado82
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
The level of lethargy among the ground workers needs to be seen to be believed

I've seen it, and I believe it.
 
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:30 am

Possible Huge News on ZW.

According to an article discoverd on PilotOnline by ZW Maintenance Controllers, "Eastshore Aviation (The investment arm of ZW that helped US out of Bankruptcy in exchange for the RJ Flying), announce under a corporate restructuring plan, that it would be hiring aviation personell in all positions for its Norfolk Headquarters opening soon. Exact Numbers were not available at press time but they will need personell to run 125 regional jets in the USAirways/America West system."

All I can say is wow. We found this on an internet site today with no word from management or anyone in ZW about this. This article leaves a lot of questions to be answered.

1. Is this ZW rebranding itself and moving out of ATW? If so, how many workers from ATW will make the move.

2. If this is part of the ZW contract, ZW only has 70 RJ's. Where do the other 55 come from? Is it part of a new order, is the Mesa contract terminated, or is Eastshore acquiring PSA and merging them with ZW? And are they all 50 seaters, or do they finally get some bigger ones.

3. Could there be another certificate created under the name eastshore for the USAirways flying, so that the current ZW certificate can be used to fly for someone else, keeping ZW in ATW, but the new airline in ORF, much like Republic or TransStates.

4. Could ZW have locked up the NW flying and keep that on the ZW certificate, and move the US flying to another certificate.

5. Which current Express affiliate of US loses in this, as the jets are coming from somewhere?

As I said, lots of unanswered questions. Also remember this. CO never sent ZW the RFP relating to the ExpressJet flying either. So if they are adding a carrier, its either NW, or UA came back to them, and I doubt the latter. We shall see what this means.
 
saab2000
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:35 am

This is indeed very interesting. The silence within the company in the past 6 months or so has been deafening.

I am considering moving to PHL, but my instincts tell me to hang on just a bit longer to find out what is really happening.

My heart is also hoping the this is not the end of the Air Wisconsin brand. I am from ATW originally and have liked that for a long time.

Thanks for the info!
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Tornado82
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 15):

I am considering moving to PHL, but my instincts tell me to hang on just a bit longer to find out what is really happening.

Save your money, that's all I can tell ya.
 
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:24 am

Tornado82,

I am not really keen on moving to Philly, but I really HATE HATE HATE commuting. I am hardly ever at home it seems.
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Tornado82
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 17):
I am not really keen on moving to Philly, but I really HATE HATE HATE commuting. I am hardly ever at home it seems.

I'm trying to get out of this end of the state myself, I'll let you know where you can get an apartment within 90 minutes of PHL, they'll have an opening soon here hopefully, lol.

Seriously though, the cost of living here VS the Midwest (I assume you're in the ATW area??) is ridiculous. What I pay here for a small 1 br apartment w/ no utilities inc. is over $250 more than what my college roommate and I paid for a 2 br (and pretty damn fancy, w/ pool, and some utilities inc.) apartment in VPZ... and that's a relatively higher-end city and still in the Chicagoland higher-rent area as opposed to the rest of Indiana. Even here in ABE as compared to PIT right across the state is ridiculous, and the closer you get to Philly from here the worse it gets. I'm sure DCA is even worse too. If ZW/US-X were to ever open a base in PIT, you could do alot better for yourself there as far as the home that your salary could buy/rent... but good luck with that. I'd seriously recommend you live in the LNS/RDG/MDT area and commute into PHL, or at least the ABE area and commute down 476... Philly itself is outrageous.
 
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:45 am

This is big news. I keep asking everyone if something is going on and the response I get is, "What announcement?" Apodino, can you please post a link to that stuff you found? I keep trying to find it and am coming up with nothing.

125 RJ's.....would be very interesting to see a growth of 55 planes, but how can we possiblly handle this? We have a hard enough time as it is with staffing.
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:04 pm

Changing the EGOM is difficult because its used at about 90 stations. AWAC does have their crap together, but changing the EGOM is like changing the bible!

AWAC has always been a VERY safe and reliable operation (speaking of ground handling/cust svc) and yes, Piedmont/PSA could learn alot from AWAC, if they'd only listen.
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:13 pm

I just found out I had been had. There was no official press release. Some joker in the office forged an article on this, and I saw the article, and it looked so authentic that a bunch of us believed it. So, at the moment, there is no news and disregard that so called press release that I mentioned earlier.
 
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:25 am

Make sure you tell your coworker what kind of an ass he is for screwing around.
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futureuapilot
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 22):
Make sure you tell your coworker what kind of an ass he is for screwing around.

Yep, once for me two.

Update: My friend who is a FA for Air Wisky got layed off... That's all I know so far!

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apodino
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 23):
Yep, once for me two.

Update: My friend who is a FA for Air Wisky got layed off... That's all I know so far!

I find that very hard to believe. They have been hiring Flight Attendants like crazy lately and if anything, we have too few flight attendants, not too many. Only thing I can think of is she got displaced from her domicile and didn't want to commute.
 
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:56 am

I wish Air Wisconsin would come to West Coast and do some US Airways Express Flights. Like to SBA, FAT, or SBP.  Smile
 
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:53 am

We have not had to lay anyone off. If they aren't with Air Wis anymore it's because either they elected to leave or ..... well, you know the rest. We are totally hiring FA's...we totally need them right now.
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RE: Any News From Air Wisconsin?

Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:48 pm

Hmmm, I will have to ask her what she ment at school today, I think she will be filling in for one of my teachers.

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