PVD757
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Bermuda 2 Agreement

Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:18 pm

Anyone know where to view a copy of the BDA2 agreement? I need to know which cities are allowable US gateways and related information...

Thanks!
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:43 pm

You could obtain a full copy from The Stationary Office http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk

It might even be accessible on their site but I have only been able to find extracts. However here is a link that will give you a synopsis
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:03 am

...thanks BCAL - the second link was very helpful for what I was looking for. My last question is how all this applies to BDA and the US gateways specifically. Does anyone know more about that?

Can places like BDL, ORF, or PVD have nonstop service to BDA or not???
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:33 am

Yes all those places can have nonstop service to Bermuda. Back in the day Delta used to go BDA-BDL. And I few years ago Spirit had plans to do PVD-BDA but that never materialized...
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:20 am

..OK so the gateway issue in the Bermuda 2 agreement doesn't limit BDA service from the US then?
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:39 am

Bermuda 2 agreement has nothing to do with Bermuda - except the fact that it was signed at a meeting there...!
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:11 am

OK great, I wasn;t sure since BDA is classified as a "dependent territory" of the UK - which specified some limits to territories with that designation.
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 5):
Bermuda 2 agreement has nothing to do with Bermuda

Not quite. Both Bermuda 1 and Bermuda 2 govern air services between the US (and its territories) and the UK (and its territories). It is my understanding that the US and the UK authorities have waived any gateway limitiations written into BII, except the UK has not waived the restrictions for Heathrow. So if BA wanted to fly STN to GUM they could, or if UA wanted to fly ANC BDA that would be OK too.
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:21 am

There are limits in what US cities can have Bermuda service. However, the treaty is very flexible, and, in reality, any airline that applies for a US-Bermuda exemption will most likely get it.
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:13 am

Great, thanks again folks - I knew you guys had the info...

So in my case, NK (for instaince) could just as easily apply to do PVD-BDA and it would just need to get US & UK approval then.
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 7):
or if UA wanted to fly ANC BDA that would be OK too.

...though if you wanted to be technical about it, UA could fly ANC-LHR if they wanted to as well, considering that the Alaskan port is among the twelve permanent Heathrow gateways as per Bermuda II  Wink
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10):
...though if you wanted to be technical about it, UA could fly ANC-LHR if they wanted to as well, considering that the Alaskan port is among the twelve permanent Heathrow gateways as per Bermuda II

...and is the only one (i believe) that is currently not served!
 
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RE: Bermuda 2 Agreement

Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
...and is the only one (i believe) that is currently not served!

Not true-- the other would be MSP

Its distinction (the opposite of LAS) is that it can only be served by non-British carriers.
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