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Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:10 am

And they forgot to put in the gearpin again...

See what's the result on: www.campus-site.nl/weblog
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:19 am

http://www.campus-site.nl/cargolux/
Any Link in English.
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:59 am

I'm happy nobody was standing underneath the plane!!
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:02 am

where did this happen ??
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:15 am

It says PVG on the site...

Aircraft involved is LX-TCV

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CV have a statement on their website:
http://www.cargolux.com/press/detail...php?id_cat=2&id_doc=101&dbtab=docs

[Edited 2006-01-25 19:20:58]
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:05 am

I know this is a dumb question but why is there a tailstand under the tail?
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:06 am

That WAS in use I guess... Ive hoped that they have learned something from our China Airlines (?) friends and put the tailstand away before puchting it back up.  Smile
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 2):
I'm happy nobody was standing underneath the plane!!

My same thoughts exactly when I say the pics!!!
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting AJO (Reply 4):
CV have a statement on their website:
http://www.cargolux.com/press/detail...=docs

Now the question that somebody at CargoLux or Boeing will have to work out is why did the nose landing gear retract.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 5):
I know this is a dumb question but why is there a tailstand under the tail?

The tailstand is necessary to prevent the aircraft from getting out of balance when it is being loaded. If it's not used then you see what can happen with the aircraft. That the aircraft actually goes through its nose gear is new to me. You usually see the aircraft flipping on its tail which is not the case here. Unusual but it does happen as can be seen on the photos.

Thanks for sharing the photos Schreiner! Hopefully we'll see each other in April/May! I'm very much looking forward to it! Big grin

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Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:30 am

Most likely, the gear handle was moved from the down position, and hydraulics were pressurized. NOT GOOD. But naturally maintenance will get called on it.
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Jetfixr757 (Reply 10):
Most likely, the gear handle was moved from the down position, and hydraulics were pressurized.

Is there no override system for that on the 747? You'd think the minor cost of developing a simple switch would save all the trouble of a gear up situation?
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 11):
Is there no override system for that on the 747? You'd think the minor cost of developing a simple switch would save all the trouble of a gear up situation?

Yeah that is crazy that a 744 wouldn't have one when even little arrows have squat switches.
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting Schreiner (Thread starter):
Cargolux Collapse

I'm guessing I'm the only one who saw this thread an thought that the company had folded.  embarrassed 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:14 pm

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Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:17 pm

Great photos, thanks for sharing!

Does anyone know if there's like a video online of a gear collapse actually taking place? It's hard kind of getting the actual event going in my head..

Thx, UA.
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
I'm guessing I'm the only one who saw this thread an thought that the company had folded.

That was the first thought that went through my head when I read the title.

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My thoughts exactly, I was waiting for the fleet of Cargolu planes in tidy rows in Luxembourg
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:38 pm

Then I thought we just had a CargoLux 744 sitting on the tarmac at PAE awhile back. I hope they didn't fold.

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Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
I'm guessing I'm the only one who saw this thread an thought that the company had folded.

no , me too , after all that's what the thread title says "CargoLux Collapse" not "CargoLux gear collapse" - I thought "Boeing wont be happy that one of the 747-8 launch customers has gone out of business" - though I was very surprised because I was under the impression that they are a well run and profitable company and there had been no rumours of an impending collapse .
One of those cases where the person posting knew what they meant - they just didn't express it very well .
 
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting Schreiner (Thread starter):
And they forgot to put in the gearpin again...

Can you explain? Thanks.

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 11):
Is there no override system for that on the 747? You'd think the minor cost of developing a simple switch would save all the trouble of a gear up situation?

Knowing that other airliners have mechanisms that lock the gear lever when on the ground, I'd expect the huge 744 to have something like that too.
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:31 pm

You would think that once a landing-gear has been extracted it would be stable enough to keep the plane on the tarmac...
Never heard that you still need to look a nose-gear externally in order to prevent it from folding ...
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:35 pm

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Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 24):
You would think that once a landing-gear has been extracted it would be stable enough to keep the plane on the tarmac...
Never heard that you still need to look a nose-gear externally in order to prevent it from folding ...

What actually happened was maintenance was trouble shooting a gear problem. The gear pins were supposedly installed and the gear lever was recycled. OOPS....
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:43 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 24):
You would think that once a landing-gear has been extracted it would be stable enough to keep the plane on the tarmac...

Even planes like the Constellation had overcenter locks for the nosegear.


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Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:04 pm

The 747 nose gear down-lock is an over-centre type and there is a LOCK OVRD button next to the gear lever (744). It is a two handed operation, to prevent inadvertent gear retraction with either the gear not centered (BLG steering) and gear not tilted.

Now during maintenance there are cases where you will be required to cycle the gear lever on the ground, I've done it on the "Classic". The Gear pins must obviously be installed.

Hydraulic system 4 (wing gear) and/or 1 (nose and body gear) is pressurized depending on what is required. Then when it comes time to cycle the gear lever everyone stands clear as the gear doors will open when the gear lever is moved to the up position and will close when moved to the down position.

One thing, the nose gear pin is quite difficult to put in as it's high up in the wheel well and hidden by the nose gear doors, so I'd imagine it was put in incorrectly or not put in, so when the LOCK OVRD was pushed in and the gear lever moved to up the doors opened as per normal and the nose gear retracted as per normal as you have overridden the lever lock.

So if you're the one cycling the gear lever you should be the one to put the pins in, that way you'll have full confidence in pressing the LOCK OVRD button and lifting the lever.

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Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:13 pm

What are you testing by cycling the gear switch on the ground ?

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Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting NORTHSEATIGER (Reply 29):
What are you testing by cycling the gear switch on the ground ?

Leak check, indication logic, switching in the handle.
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Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:41 pm

Quoting NORTHSEATIGER (Reply 29):
What are you testing by cycling the gear switch on the ground ?

Boeing's AOG response team.
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting NORTHSEATIGER (Reply 29):
What are you testing by cycling the gear switch on the ground

Leak in upline to the Gear after installing the Gear Lock pins.
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
I'm guessing I'm the only one who saw this thread an thought that the company had folded.

me too, was just curious what the (pics) referred to... the tearful press conference?  Smile
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting 757dc10fltmech (Reply 31):
Boeing's AOG response team.

Thats funny! Big grin
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:34 pm

Why are nosegear failures more common on 747s than on other aircraft? It happens about once a year that a 747 falls onto its nose. I´ve never seen it on a 777 or A340.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:18 pm

OOPS! While one can criticize the design of the nose gear and it's lock out set up, clearly this was human error. Humans are imperfect and sometimes they will make mistakes. As this happened in China one also has to wonder about the compentency of the airport workers there, whom are problably getting paid really crappy wages. I hope the workers and supervisors responsible for this situation don't end up in a bad jail, although it is possible in their policies. I wonder if there were any structural or other non-visable damage done and the cost of repairs?
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 36):
As this happened in China one also has to wonder about the compentency of the airport workers there, whom are problably getting paid really crappy wages.

"crappy" is relative, by Chinese standards those guys are probably doing quite well!