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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:03 am

No more Paris based crews very soon. There were over 350 US FAs working out of CDG. Base will be closed by May 1rst. Official as of today 9am GMT. Staff visiting from Chicago UA HQ is holding meetings in Paris until the end of the week. Thought you guys might be interested.
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:22 am

Considering CDG flying has been scaled backed over the years and even with them covering the BRU flight, it seems the base has lost its economics of scale.

Also does not help that Star Alliance is in a little dispute with ADP regarding fees and terminal relocations so its doubtful the alliance will build up its schedule and connectivity in Paris as originally hoped for by having members under a single roof.
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:31 am

Looks like EWR and PHL will also be closing.
 
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:50 am

May I ask where you got your information? Would you happen to have a link? Thanks!
 
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:32 am

He's got a link... Look more closely.
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:44 am

I actually talked on the phone to one of the Paris based FA. Got all my info from her.
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:53 am

That is sad news. Does anyone know whether these FA's will have the option to transfer to the LHR or other USA bases?
 
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:09 am

They will have to option to transfer to any base that is accepting transfers. Chicago, Washington etc. LHR has been closed for transfers for almost 4 years.
 
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 7):
They will have to option to transfer to any base that is accepting transfers. Chicago, Washington etc. LHR has been closed for transfers for almost 4 years.

I think you will find a lot of FA's will transfer to LHR
 
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8):
think you will find a lot of FA's will transfer to LHR

uh...... how do you figure?

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 7):
LHR has been closed for transfers for almost 4 years.
 
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Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:28 am

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the purpose of a crew base?
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 10):

A crew base is were Pilots and Flight Attendants are based. ..... I think.
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:16 am

Based on the news of expansion of IAD ops, and the CDG closure, I reckon we'll see an expansion of FRA ops with UA, perhaps FRA will be the new European crew-base? Makes sense given that it's a Star-Alliance hub and connecting point not only for LH, but also Austrian/Tyrolean (also part of Star).
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 12):
perhaps FRA will be the new European crew-base?

United already has an FA base in FRA. United has international FA bases in LHR, FRA, NRT, HKG, and, until 1 May, CDG.
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:21 am

What does this mean for flights into/out of those airports? Particulary PHL, since that is my home airport. Will the flights stay the same?

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:25 am

UA is closing PHL, EWR, and CDG. The new hire class was called downstairs and told about the info. They thought they were going to be reassigned but no, they are still going to IAD. It didn't make a lot of sense to keep a crew base in EWR and PHL.
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:59 pm

I can say with some certainty that there's only about 250 FA's based (and maybe 200 are active at any given point) at CDG and of that number maybe half are Americans. The Americans (since they work for a US company) will be offered any base that are accepting transfers which will likely be any base in the system except HNL and HKG. The Europeans will probably be offered LHR, FRA and NRT if history has proven anything. When I was based in LHR and work Visa's would expire, this is what would happen.

It's no secret, with such little feed and no Star Anchor based there, that CDG is the black hole of the Star Alliance Network. There have been rumors about this base closing since the day I first step foot on UA property seven years ago!

I wish all the CDG, PHL and EWR based crew the best. I was forced to leave LHR after 9/11 (furloughed American) and it was a horrible experience! No amount of business sense makes this easy on the individual! Hopefully those affected FA's will make use of all the provisions in the contract for relocation. Hopefully this important decision will in part, help attain long term financial stability for UA!

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 9):
uh...... how do you figure?

simple really..............lots of the senior crews from CDG have been in LHR looking at the set up and so on.............it will happen, watch this space!
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 10):
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the purpose of a crew base?

To have local crew based in the city that can offer valuable local customs support to passengers. Language, knowledge of the city, culture etc.

Many leading airlines have international bases. BA for example has bases all over the world, including: Mexico, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Bahrain, Tokyo, Singapore etc.

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:52 pm

isn't UA upgrading IAD-FRA to 3 times daily from 2 in May 2006???, making UA fly to Frankfurt 6 times daily, 3 from IAD, 2 from ORD and 1 from SFO

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:58 pm

Isn't SFO-FRA only weekly, or did that change since I last flew?
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 19):
Many leading airlines have international bases. BA for example has bases all over the world, including: Mexico, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Bahrain, Tokyo, Singapore etc.

since when...BA, does not have crew bases all over the world, your confused with Local Staff that are employed. We are talking about crew bases here!
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:54 am

I don't understand why UA would have a base outside of their hub cities. What routes do CDG based crews fly? I would guess from CDG to points in the US. They then spend the night and fly home the next day. Would it not be cheaper and easier to have the crews based in the US. Fly to CDG, spend the night and fly home the next day. This way the crews can fly to other places than just CDG return.

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 18):
simple really..............lots of the senior crews from CDG have been in LHR looking at the set up and so on.............it will happen, watch this space!

This is NOT happening. Airlines don't let you tour the system to figure out where you want to be based and no F/A that I know (and I'm one myself) is interested in the "set up" of a base that we're going to transfer to. F/A's generally transfer to be closer to home or to fly better trips - never because they like the "set up" of a base more.
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 19):
isn't UA upgrading IAD-FRA to 3 times daily from 2 in May 2006???,

Yes.

The crew that lives in Paris today can still reside there. The difference is that they'll have to dead head to work from their new base. Maybe a hassle but worth it for those who have roots/family in Paris.
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 23):
This is NOT happening. Airlines don't let you tour the system to figure out where you want to be based and no F/A that I know (and I'm one myself) is interested in the "set up" of a base that we're going to transfer to. F/A's generally transfer to be closer to home or to fly better trips - never because they like the "set up" of a base more.

Who said anything about touring the system, who said that they had been invited by UA...not me, read my message again!!!! These beleive it or not are grown ups who have made a grown up decision to just take a little hop over the English Channel, to look at the base and look at London. If you care to look on a map you will see that Paris in on Londons doorstep, theres a shed load of better flying from there..............so as I said and will reiterate....watch this space....a lot of CDG F/A's will go to LHR!
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 24):

The crew that lives in Paris today can still reside there. The difference is that they'll have to dead head to work from their new base. Maybe a hassle but worth it for those who have roots/family in Paris.


Your message is right but terminology is a bit off. They won't be able to "deadhead" to work to their new base. That would imply that UA transports them as part of their trip ID. They will have to "non rev" to get to work at their new base. However there are quite a few commuters at CDG anyway, so a shift in base may not be a bad thing.
The rumor mill is still grinding about a CO/UA merger because of our base closure at EWR, however, EWR has lost alot of flying over the years and the company says it is no longer economical to keep it open. However, EWR is NOT a co-terminal of JFK/LGA so they just can not merge our bases like other airlines have.
PHL is self sufficient and costs no money since it is a "virtual domicile". It was made an offshoot of EWR and since EWR is closing maybe they feel they have to close PHL as well.

[Edited 2006-01-27 20:12:30]

[Edited 2006-01-27 20:13:16]
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 20):
Isn't SFO-FRA only weekly, or did that change since I last flew?
-Mr. X

The flight has always been a daily flight. For the past year or so, on a 744
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 21):
since when...BA, does not have crew bases all over the world, your confused with Local Staff that are employed. We are talking about crew bases here!

UAL777UK. I always think before I type: British Airways have CABIN CREW bases in all cities mentionned in my previous post... Here they are again:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 18):
Many leading airlines have international bases. BA for example has bases all over the world, including: Mexico, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Bahrain, Tokyo, Singapore.

You can check, double check your sources. Once again, I don't post then think, I think then post!

Regards!

[Edited 2006-01-28 19:50:22]
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:26 am

UAL777UK - BA does in fact have bases in many parts of the world - specifically the ones mentioned above ! I have had many a flight SIN to SYD and SIN to LHR that have one or two local singaporean crews on the flight

Likewise, Qantas also have a Base in Auckland and Bangkok where they recruit local Kiwis and Thai for the flights !

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 24):
The crew that lives in Paris today can still reside there. The difference is that they'll have to dead head to work from their new base. Maybe a hassle but worth it for those who have roots/family in Paris.

Would this effect visa status of US citizens living there?

Second, can someone from UA explain what the role of the crew desk is? And what is OPBSK? (from the AFA link)

Third, where else besides LHR does UA have a crew base? FRA?

Thanks!

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 25):
Who said anything about touring the system, who said that they had been invited by UA...not me, read my message again!!!! These beleive it or not are grown ups who have made a grown up decision to just take a little hop over the English Channel, to look at the base and look at London. If you care to look on a map you will see that Paris in on Londons doorstep, theres a shed load of better flying from there..............so as I said and will reiterate....watch this space....a lot of CDG F/A's will go to LHR!

Exactly what does "looking at the set up" mean then if not the set up of the airport/crew base. The "set up" of the city perhaps? Until UA offers them the option to transfer to LHR, which to this point they have not, why would they waste money to "hop over the English Channel" and spend money to look around for the purposes of relocating. If they are actually going to open the LHR base to the CDG F/A's (which I doubt as it makes absolutely NO sense to overstaff a base because another is closing) then their contract provides for an opportunity to find housing and other needs in their new base assignment when that time comes. Do you really believe that UA, out of the kindness of their hearts, is going to open up a base and overstaff it merely to accomodate a group of F/A's that they can simply let go? You obviously have more faith in the way they treat their employees than any of their employees do. Incidentally, I know some of the AFA leadership at the UA LHR base and they aren't expecting their base to open to CDG transfers, but stranger things have happened I suppose....
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 25):
Who said anything about touring the system, who said that they had been invited by UA...not me, read my message again!!!! These beleive it or not are grown ups who have made a grown up decision to just take a little hop over the English Channel, to look at the base and look at London

A flight attendant could look at the LHR base in CDG, FRA, SYD, LAX, SEA or ABE. A base, from most perspectives, is an abstract thing. As ASFlyer was saying, they are looking at how easy their flight commute will be (you don't have to live where you are based), how the trips are, etc. You look at it by reviewing a copy of pairings out of the domicile, not by looking at the airport.

How can you actually look at a base? A base is a room with a bunch of computers and a few sofas. They are pretty much the same from airline to airline, domicile or domicile.

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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:47 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 31):
Exactly what does "looking at the set up" mean then if not the set up of the airport/crew base. The "set up" of the city perhaps? Until UA offers them the option to transfer to LHR, which to this point they have not, why would they waste money to "hop over the English Channel" and spend money to look around for the purposes of relocating. If they are actually going to open the LHR base to the CDG F/A's (which I doubt as it makes absolutely NO sense to overstaff a base because another is closing) then their contract provides for an opportunity to find housing and other needs in their new base assignment when that time comes. Do you really believe that UA, out of the kindness of their hearts, is going to open up a base and overstaff it merely to accomodate a group of F/A's that they can simply let go? You obviously have more faith in the way they treat their employees than any of their employees do. Incidentally, I know some of the AFA leadership at the UA LHR base and they aren't expecting their base to open to CDG transfers, but stranger things have happened I suppose....

Stranger things will happen and please don't ask AFA leadership to know whats going on, at best they would just about know what day of the week it is!!!

Watch this space.
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:59 pm

To all you who doubted me (ASflyer) watch for 185 F/A's coming to LHR and the rest to FRA.

I told you to watch this space didn't I!
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 34):
I told you to watch this space didn't I!

I'm still watching. Do you have something more credible then your word to verify this?
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:09 pm

What is in dispute? The aforementioned FA bases are closing on May 1 and May 31. AFA is meeting with company to discuss the options.
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:48 pm

UAL777UK says that he has evidence that they are transferring a majority of the CDG F/A's to the LHR base and I say that I can't believe that UA would overstaff a base that's been closed for some time simply to accomodate these F/A's. It's possible AFA could negotiatiate this for their F/A's, but I can't believe that the company would do something simply because it was the right thing to do. To this point they haven't done this at all.
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 37):
UAL777UK says that he has evidence that they are transferring a majority of the CDG F/A's to the LHR base and I say that I can't believe that UA would overstaff a base that's been closed for some time simply to accomodate these F/A's. It's possible AFA could negotiatiate this for their F/A's, but I can't believe that the company would do something simply because it was the right thing to do. To this point they haven't done this at all.

What part of my message did you not understand.....Watch this space means.....watch this space...get it???

When this happens you can come over and acknowledge that I was right and you were wrong.....lets be honest....you have no idea whats going on at all do you!

Now just sit back and relax! Big grin
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 37):
UAL777UK says that he has evidence that they are transferring a majority of the CDG F/A's to the LHR base and I say that I can't believe that UA would overstaff a base that's been closed for some time simply to accomodate these F/A's. It's possible AFA could negotiatiate this for their F/A's, but I can't believe that the company would do something simply because it was the right thing to do. To this point they haven't done this at all.


Actually, the LHR base has been running short on FAs. I spent a good 2 months covering trips last year that could not be staffed suitably by the LHR base.
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:38 pm

Still watching and waiting..... All I see so far is a possible strike by the CDG based F/A's, which will ultimately put them out of jobs permanantly - no matter where they are based.
 
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RE: Official: Paris UA Base Closing Down May 1st 2006

Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 40):
Still watching and waiting..... All I see so far is a possible strike by the CDG based F/A's, which will ultimately put them out of jobs permanantly - no matter where they are based.

Good old AFA clueless once again....keep watching!

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