ehho
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Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:58 pm

As I was browsing the KL fleet lists on airfleets.net, I noticed an interesting thing: no single KL rego ended on a J. E.g, 738s registered PH-BXA through PH-BXT, but with no BXJ. Same goes for PH-BF* 744s and PH-BQ* 772s. Anyone an idea on why that is?

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sk601
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:51 pm

IIRC the PH-B*J registrations are used for flight simulators. I have seen model airplanes also with this reg.

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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:07 pm

PH-**J registration are used for model planes, flight simulators use the corresponding PH-**X registration.

There is however a Fokker 100 PH-OFJ.
 
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 1):
IIRC the PH-B*J registrations are used for flight simulators.



Quoting Vunz (Reply 1):
flight simulators use the corresponding PH-**X registration.

not completely correct, the A330 flight sim is regged (and quite apropriate) PH-AOG (Aircraft On Ground). What I heard as the reason they don't use the J (as well as the Q at the last digit) is that it resembles the I/O too much.
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:33 am

Why do the simulators need to have registrations?
 
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:30 am

Thanks for the answers guys..

Quoting Vasu (Reply 4):
Why do the simulators need to have registrations?

Yeah, why is that actually?

Also, why do models need their own rego's? Isn't it cooler to have a model of an existing jet, or are there ethics concerned (post-crash collectibles etc.)?
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:35 am

They don't need to. It's probably just a tradition. Interesting point, though; never thought of it.

All Aer Lingus airplanes are named after saints, but the simulators are named "St. Thetic" (think about it!!)
 
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 5):

Yeah, why is that actually?

Also, why do models need their own rego's? Isn't it cooler to have a model of an existing jet, or are there ethics concerned (post-crash collectibles etc.)?

Sims don't need regs, and they are not registered as such, just something... fun... I guess.

The reason I heard that models use the J (ie not used in real regs) is indeed the resemblance to a real plane in case of a crash etc.
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:43 pm

Quoting Vunz (Reply 2):
flight simulators use the corresponding PH-**X registration.


Simulators have names also, does anyone have a list of all KLM's simulator names?

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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
no single KL rego ended on a J. E.g, 738s registered PH-BXA through PH-BXT, but with no BXJ. Same goes for PH-BF* 744s and PH-BQ* 772s. Anyone an idea on why that is?

Maybe it because of the funny way the Dutch pronounce their J's  wink 

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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8):
Simulators have names also, does anyone have a list of all KLM's simulator names?

from: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...l_aviation/read.main/2264846/6/#12
by KL5147:

L-1049 PH-??? �Lokeend� (1956-1961)
DC-7 PH-DSX �Dry sea� (1957-1972)
Viscount PH-VIX �Van Speyk� (1957-1964)
L-188 Electra PH-LLX �Terra� (1961-1967)
DC-8-33/53 PH-DCX �Baron von Munchhausen� (1959-1981)
DC-8-63 PH-DEX �Gulliver� (1967-1984)
DC-9-15/32/33 PH-DNX �Madurodam� (1966-1988)
DC-10-30 PH-DTX �Opus 10� (1972-1993)
B747-200 PH-BUQ �Nils Holgersson� (1970-1991)
(not named after a river, because this flight simulator was operated for the KSS(U) group therfore it was also registered as Q instead X)
B747-200/300 PH-BUX �Daidalos� (1981-????)
B747-400 PH-BFX �Olympia� (1989-
B747-400 PH-BFQ �Atlantis� (1991-
B737-300 PH-BDX �Bestevear� (1986-
B737-400 PH-BTX �Odysseus� (1991-
MD-11 PH-KCX �Mary Poppins� (1993-
Airbus A310 PH-AGX �A309� (1983-
Fokker100 PH-KLX �Spinoza� (1989-
B777-200 (ER) PH-BQX "Fort Spijkerboor" (2003-
AirbusA330 PH-AOG Cockpit Plein (Square)

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B737-800(900) ??
B767-300 ??
 
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
All Aer Lingus airplanes are named after saints, but the simulators are named "St. Thetic" (think about it!!)

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Quoting JRadier (Reply 7):
The reason I heard that models use the J (ie not used in real regs) is indeed the resemblance to a real plane in case of a crash etc.

Do many carriers reserve a registration for each aircraft type, just for models? The few models in my collection all have existing registrations.
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RE: Why No -J Rego's On KL?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 11):

Do many carriers reserve a registration for each aircraft type, just for models? The few models in my collection all have existing registrations.

As I posted before (reply 3), KLM doesn't use the J, Q and X as their last reg. digits because they resemble the I and O too much (not entirely sure why the X isn't used, but that might be a dutch criteria (no X in the reg)). It makes sense to use these regs for models etc when you don't want to use real regs (for whatever reason). So it is the other way around, they don't not use them because those are the regs of the models, but they use it on the models because they don't use them on the plane  Wink
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