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Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:04 am

With the news that AC plans to launch YYZ-LAX-SYD in 07 with brand new 777's,
AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07 (by Sebring Jan 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2006/25/c0761.html

, does anyone think that AC might actually use there new fifth freedom rights quite extensively?

AC's star alliance partners such as united and US could be happy with AC running some international routes to places they cant/or wont fly too but would feed those flights. AC would be in a position to do well in those flights because a) there costs are lower then the american legacies, b) there product is generally better(my opinion as well as skytrax survey, i dont want this to be subject of thread), and c) with the United/US codeshares there would be US government employees could take the flight. Flights such as this would also open up many routes that in themselves arent financially viable but with canadian O&D and US O&D would be quite strong. A flight that couldnt fill up from super hubs such as yyz and ord would be pretty shocking.

The main negative i can think of is the US's immigration policy, but i think the pro's outweigh this. Also AC cant focus too much on this until they have many of there new planes on order, so this would be medium term speculation. Im interested on what ppl think of AC's future US strategy (possible routes, negatives, advantages etc)



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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:14 am

I would love to see AC venture into Africa. With SA set to join star soon this might not be all that likely but I think a YVR-US-JNB or YYZ-US-JNB route would be awesome and might do well as SA is a good tourist destination, JNB has good onward connections to Africa and there are a decnet number of South Africans living in Canada.

All that said, US immigration is actually a huge pain in the butt for citizens of countries that require transit visas.

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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:49 am

I think AC will take the advantages of the 5th freedom rights. They will continue to expand and offer new routes and or new destinations. There's already a post on AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07 AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07 (by Sebring Jan 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)

If they can preclare the us customs in YYZ then there should be no hassle in LAX right?
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 2):
If they can preclare the us customs in YYZ then there should be no hassle in LAX right?

Correct. As previously pointed out, they'll deplane to the lounge area for full grooming and catering. It's the return journey that will prove to be more of a challenge.
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:22 am

AC have AKL with either B772LRs or B787s
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:29 am

So many US routes, were axed following 9/11. With AC Jazz securing the rest of the AC Mainline CRJ fleet through the year, what are the possibility of some of the following destinations being reinstated?

YYZ-AUS/CHS/GSO/GSP/JAX
YUL-ATL
YOW-RDU

Just to name a few.....
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:46 am

What do think of a

YYZ-MIA-JNB?

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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 6):
What do think of a

YYZ-MIA-JNB?

I would say no. The reason being MIA is not a Star/United hub and SAA a new Star partner is already on that route.

I would think Air Canada would add beyond routes from IAD/ORD/SFO/LAX as they are all United hubs and Air Canada could in turn use the United flights for feed. I'm sure United would code share on any beyond routes that Air Canada would add.

You could also add PHL/CLT/LAS/PHX to the mix as USAirways is in Star.
(I forgot them in the original post)

[Edited 2006-01-29 02:12:24]
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 7):
The reason being MIA is not a Star/United hub and SAA a new Star partner is already on that route.

SAA does plan to begin MIA-JNB service in the near future, but hasn't firmed up the plans yet.
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:15 am

MAH4546---Thanks for the info I had thought SAA was still on the JNB-MIA-JNB route.
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 7):
I would think Air Canada would add beyond routes from IAD/ORD/SFO/LAX as they are all United hubs and Air Canada could in turn use the United flights for feed. I'm sure United would code share on any beyond routes that Air Canada would add.

You could also add PHL/CLT/LAS/PHX to the mix as USAirways is in Star.
(I forgot them in the original post)

Very good point, however, if the O&D from a city is large enough, having feed from united or us might not be necessary. For this reason, having flights from miami might not be such a bad idea, perhaps not to JNB, but to latin america.
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:21 am

Perhaps because of AC's investment in the new USAir, CLT/PIT/PHL could all be beyond contenders under the new open skies agreement.
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 6):
What do think of a

YYZ-MIA-JNB?

Short of a YYZ-JNB non-stop, the rumor mill has been generating for years:

YYZ-MAD-JNB
YYZ-LIS-JNB
YYZ-ZRH-JNB
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 11):
Perhaps because of AC's investment in the new USAir, CLT/PIT/PHL could all be beyond contenders under the new open skies agreement.

Contenders for what?
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
Contenders for what?

For "beyond" routes under the liberalized US/Canada air services agreement.
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:23 pm

Lets compile a list a beyond USA destinations where AC could excercise its new fifth freedom rights.

Whe you visit here you can read summaries about Canada's International Air Service Agreements. Until 2000, a more complete version of the "Report" was publically available. Now we have to deal with the non-confidential version, which omits important information (for some countries) on the possible routes a scheduled air carrier could fly.
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:08 am

What about YUL/YYZ-MIA-Cuba.

US airline can't only fly charter. Canadian can fly regular flight?
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 16):
What about YUL/YYZ-MIA-Cuba.

US airline can't only fly charter. Canadian can fly regular flight?

so long as they dont take any US citizens to spend USD in Cuba ... but that would limit the viability of the flights somewhat ... perhaps they could have an inflight service where they exchange the pax USD for CAD - then they would be US citizens in Cuba ( which is allowed ) and they would not be spending any USD there ( which isn't allowed )  Big grin
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:31 am

I'm hoping for YYZ-DKR-JNB eventually but I don't think there is enough Canada to Africa traffic right now. DKR will be a good connection point to western and middle Africa if they ever get their new airport under construction. A flight via MAD or LIS would be better suited to serving CAS or NBO since it is a little out of the way for a YYZ-JNB route. Perhaps a full suite of YYZ-DKR-JNB, YYZ-LIS-CAS, and YYZ-MAD-NBO would be ideal.
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:11 pm

I wonder if a YYZ-JFK-CAI or a YYZ-BOS-CAI route would work. Id be very happy if that happened, although id prefer a nonstop flight from yyz.
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:22 pm

hmm I think that AC would operate those flights(CAI etc.) first via YUL rather than through the US.

But maybe we could see a YYZ-LOS-JNB routing? Lots of connecting traffic to garner there.
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
so long as they dont take any US citizens to spend USD in Cuba ... but that would limit the viability of the flights somewhat ... perhaps they could have an inflight service where they exchange the pax USD for CAD - then they would be US citizens in Cuba ( which is allowed ) and they would not be spending any USD there ( which isn't allowed )

Cool idea! Of course it would probably ruffle a few feathers, but it would probably get enough takers to not have to worry! You'd also have to exchange the USD for CAD pretty quickly, as MIA and Havana aren't that far apart.
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:44 pm

No, AC will not fly to Cuba from MIA so lets stop talking about it for the sake of talking about. It won't happen.

Of the US Airways hubs in the east, I would say PHI is the most likely to see AC int'l routes...however I don't think AC will fly out of US Airways hubs directly to international destinations. You will more likely see those passengers routed to a more profitable U.S. city such as ORD or JFK (in the east) and LAX in the west for an international route.

As for Africa, it could very well be a possibility, however only when AC receives a substantial number of 787s (and I'm talking about exercising their options here).
 
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RE: Air Canada And Their US Strategy

Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:30 am

Quote:
So many US routes, were axed following 9/11. With AC Jazz securing the rest of the AC Mainline CRJ fleet through the year, what are the possibility of some of the following destinations being reinstated?

YYZ-AUS/CHS/GSO/GSP/JAX
YUL-ATL
YOW-RDU

Just to name a few.....

I wish they would start YYZ-GSO back up, my company and mary other used it a lot to get nonstop or one stop flights to canadian destination. Now I am stuck with 3-5 stop flights. I know we had people on this flight almost daily.

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