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JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:10 am

These planes are awesome. Once they get the kinks worked out, and more people get to fly these and the routes they fly on, it will catch like wildfire....


"JetBlue CEO cites hiccups in Embraer plane debut"

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:14 am

A buddy of mine is an IT manager for them and was saying the onboard computers were giving them some issues, Embraer was up for weeks working with them. They also had some EMI issues with the PTVs and the FAA certification. Nothing major he said all part of a new type of airliner.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:18 am

I was at the bar at CMH and watched an Embraer go on to the taxiway, sit for 20 minutes, taxi to takeoff position, do an aborted take off, sit on the taxiway for another 10 minutes, then taxi back to the gate. He then took off 1 hour later with no apparent problems. It wasn't Jet Blue though. I wonder what went wrong to cause him to do this??

[Edited 2006-01-27 03:19:20]
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:38 am

Bear in mind that the dispatch reliability of these aircraft are probably being benchmarked against B6's fleet of A320's--an aircraft which has graced the skies for 20 years, with B6 being a latecomer to this type.

I remember with the introduction of the A320's there were LOTS of kinks that needed to be worked out to improve dispatch reliability. The EMB's are an awesome little aircraft.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:43 am

The Embraer 170 you saw at CMH was either Shuttle America or Republic Airlines (was it DL Connection, UA Express or US Express?)

The computers on these aircraft are finicky. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it. Much like your home computer. This is probably what happened to the one you saw - an unnecessary warning of some kind.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it.

I was working a flight that got this "error message"...problem was it happend on our takeoff roll. We aborted and returned to the gate. It caused a delay of over an hour. I hope these kinks are worked out soon, because it really is a great airplane to work. I've only had a handful of customers that were LIVID about the TV's not working. Most people are very understanding.

My only "complaint" about the 190 is the "height" of the overhead bins...Yes..the smaller bins give more space per customer...but, the thicker bags can't fit and have to be gate checked. I'm told this is something that is being looked at.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
was it DL Connection

I think it was a DL Connection. Thanks for the info it kind of gave me chills to see him abort the take off. I have never seen that before
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:25 pm

So does these things have Crtl Atl Delete keys? Could you imagine at 35,000 feet getting the blue screen of death, lol.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:27 pm

A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):

a restart at 20,000 feet?? looks like they are using Windows as the OS  Smile
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
The computers on these aircraft are finicky. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it. Much like your home computer. This is probably what happened to the one you saw - an unnecessary warning of some kind.

"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???

"No I don't want to send an instance of this problem to Embraer!...'Don't Send!'"
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:44 pm

According to the presentation, the reliability is supposedly improving quickly. Just looking at today's numbers, 8 of 10 flights on JFK-BOS were on-time. IAD-BOS-IAD wasn't as good - I'm assuming because of winds.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:25 pm

This is really unfortunate. The Embraer 170 series of airplanes had a lot of new design elements incorporated in them. The E170 is the first plane ever (that I know of) to have a single contractor design the entire electrical system. Hamilton Sundstrand designed it all.

I have also been on a flight where problems were found while taxiing out to the runway. They were all solved by doing a full restart of the airplane at the gate, which took about an hour. It amazes me how complex an airplane can be, yet something like restarting it can solve problems. It isn't supposed to work that way.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:40 pm

Every new type has eething problems, I'm sure in 12 months time this board will be filled with stories of troubles the A380 has during EIS or in 2007-08 people will be writing about the problems the 787 might face during EIS.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:22 pm

The E-170 seems pretty rock solid now. Why would the E-190 be different? Same cockpit and systems.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
I have also been on a flight where problems were found while taxiing out to the runway. They were all solved by doing a full restart of the airplane at the gate, which took about an hour. It amazes me how complex an airplane can be, yet something like restarting it can solve problems. It isn't supposed to work that way.

First step in computer troubleshooting is usually a full restart. This analogy is a bit off-topic, but I think it fits... When I worked in retail we had fancy new registers installed, touchscreens, thermal-printed receipts, built-in check readers & Printers, the works.

So, the supervisors (most of whom had worked for the company for 30 years or so) were all petrified when the slightest problem came up with them. Personally, as a lifelong computer user, I shrugged and if the problem caused the register to have major issues, flipped down the cover, pressed the little white button twice, waited two minutes, and problem solved.

Granted, an aircraft IS more complex, but it's still being RUN by a computer. Same as your car, same as a grocery store register, and same as your ISP's connection network.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 5):
My only "complaint" about the 190 is the "height" of the overhead bins...Yes..the smaller bins give more space per customer...but, the thicker bags can't fit and have to be gate checked. I'm told this is something that is being looked at.

I've been on an AC E175 a couple of times (I love them! great little planes!) and, as you can see, the bins are fine for the "approved" carry-on size:


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Are you saying that JetBlue actually installed smaller bins on their E190s?

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???

"No I don't want to send an instance of this problem to Embraer!...'Don't Send!'"

PC Load Letter?! What the F**k does that mean?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:30 am

Sales pitch on the E190:

"Let me put it this way, Mr. Amor. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. "

(I am not going to give the movie)

[Edited 2006-01-27 17:34:45]
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:33 am

Behind the scenes jetblue has had their fingers crossed on this plane since usairways first started getting deliveries of the E-170 2 yrs ago. The E-170 quickly go the name E-180 for all the gate returns required and the software still has some minor glitches left. The plane is so freaking complicated that it has virtural circuit breakers instead of regular ones. Meaning for a simple icas message that you would have to pull circuit breakers in a boeing, airbus,crj or erj you now have to have a tech come hook up a lap top and diagnois it.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:41 am

I worked for TZ and have had to sit there while the flight deck crew "restarted" the system on a 738 and 752. It was only a few times, but it will be something that has to be done on occasion even when the E-190 is years old.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 19):
The E-170 quickly go the name E-180 for all the gate returns

It's seen written in many of our 170s..... I've also seen...

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Ti717 (Reply 18):
Sales pitch on the E190:

"Let me put it this way, Mr. Amor. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. "

(I am not going to give the movie)

Great movie btw.


Think about it this way, at least these are just simple 'software' faults and not hardware, and they're being caught now, or perhaps it's just a matter of each indiviual company tweaking with the software for their own performance characteristics?
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 4):
The computers on these aircraft are finicky. A lot of "error messages" the pilots receive are fixed by simply turning the airplane off and restarting it. Much like your home computer. This is probably what happened to the one you saw - an unnecessary warning of some kind.

This happened to me on a UA A320 at SFO, ready to take off. The pilot said he needed to restart the plane. Got an uneasy laugh from everyone onboard.

Quoting Tbird (Reply 7):
So does these things have Crtl Atl Delete keys? Could you imagine at 35,000 feet getting the blue screen of death, lol.



Quoting Aerostar (Reply 8):
a restart at 20,000 feet?? looks like they are using Windows as the OS



Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
"End Task- Airplane not responding?" What the f... does that mean???



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
"No I don't want to send an instance of this problem to Embraer!...'Don't Send!'"

Hilarious!!!!!
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 16):
Are you saying that JetBlue actually installed smaller bins on their E190s?

No, thats not what I said. I'm saying that people are (accidentaly?) being allowed to carry on bags that would otherwise fit in our A320 bins. At the end of boarding, I always have 3 or 4 bags in the aft galley that have to be checked because they dont fit in the overhead.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Ti717 (Reply 18):
Sales pitch on the E190:

"Let me put it this way, Mr. Amor. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. "

(I am not going to give the movie)

Quoting pilot "Now DQI, I'm going to have to shut you down."

Quoting DQI "I'm sorry Capt Smith, but I can't let you do that."


10 points for decoding "DQI".  Smile
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:13 am

Whatever happened to the good ole days where you could just kick it?  Smile
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Ti717 (Reply 26):
ERJ???

Well crap, it only took 10 minutes, 23 seconds - that was too easy! And here I thought I was the only one with so much nearly useless knowledge. Good job, Ti 717.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 25):
10 points for decoding "DQI".

 rotfl  For HAL was one step ahead of IBM...  rotfl 

I have another thread on the telcon where Neeleman mentioned these issues. Jetblue Talk At Raymond James (by Lightsaber Jan 27 2006 in Civil Aviation)


Neeleman says that a lot of the issues were self inflicted. e.g., the HUD isn't certified (will be in 30 to 60 days), not enough pilots with > 100 hours experience on the E190 (required for flying in conditions with < 1 nm visability, delivery delays (Embraer is meeting contract, but Jetblue planned on nominal deliveries, etc.), etc. They even have two E190's flying without the IFE due to how tight the schedule is.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:16 am

Had the same thing on a VS A340-600

Thankfully it was just one small system that needed to be reset not the whole plane.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 13):
I'm sure in 12 months time this board will be filled with stories of troubles the A380 has

I hope not, for all the Airbus bashers will never let us hear the end of it.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 29):
For HAL was one step ahead of IBM...

I think I can see the problem here. Behind every IBM computer lurks the evil, Darth Vader clone -- DOS. They should have installed Macs in the Embraers. Then all the pilot has to do is click twice -- once for go, once for stop. Simple.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting Ti717 (Reply 18):

"Let me put it this way, Mr. Amor. The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. "

if anyone doesn't know what movie that is, I'm here to help.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:04 am

"Daisy...........Daisy........give..................... me....................... your.........."

"Now that our Embraer has come to a complete stop, you may exit the plane. Please be sure to take all of your carry on possessions with you and thank you for flying HAL-Air."
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:18 am

Here's an answer to what the airticle said:

What the article failed to report is that the first six months of operating a brand-new aircraft type are expected to be less reliable as crews gain operational and maintenance experience. The article also did not quote David saying, “We love this aircraft, and our Customers do, too.”
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 27):
Whatever happened to the good ole days where you could just kick it?

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:53 pm

The pilot inexperience is, in my view, a really big concern. They don't have enough guys and gals with ONE HUNDRED HOURS in the type? Yikes.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 39):
The pilot inexperience is, in my view, a really big concern. They don't have enough guys and gals with ONE HUNDRED HOURS in the type? Yikes.

I'm pretty sure it has to be 100 hours on a revenue flight. Flight simulator and test runs don't count.

Am I correct?

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting Bohica (Reply 26):
Whatever happened to the good ole days where you could just kick it?

Fonzie worked on the ramp?



Any new a/c will have teething issues for the launch customer(s). AirTran and TWA went through similar tech issues with the 717 (Mostly computer and avionics related, but they had a few mechanical issues as well that were due to bad planning in the location of some items like the APU inlet.). After the first 3-4 months of service, most of the issues that pop up will have been fixed and some issues may pop up later on in service (Some issues aren't known until the first major maintenance check.).
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 36):
The pilot inexperience is, in my view, a really big concern. They don't have enough guys and gals with ONE HUNDRED HOURS in the type? Yikes.

Well if it's a new airplane, nobody has experience in type. They are experienced in other aircraft - we're not talking green pilots here. They also have extensive simulator training, but that doesn't count towards the 100 hrs in type requirement for lower landing minimums. It takes a little over a month of line flying to gain that experience, so this isn't a long term concern. As more pilots are trained on the aircraft, the percentage of sub-100 hr pilots will drop significantly and improve bad weather limitations across the fleet.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:54 am

Gee....I guess they're gonna have to take down all the billboards on the Van Wyck Expwy. (the main route to JFK) that say "A Better Way to Boston"  Smile
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 40):
Gee....I guess they're gonna have to take down all the billboards on the Van Wyck Expwy. (the main route to JFK) that say "A Better Way to Boston"

Actually, the flights have been running mostly on-time this month. I think all the major kinks have been worked out.

BTW, I never saw that billboard. But on the Belt upon entrance to the JFK Expwy, I always see that DL advertisement that says "NYC to Nassau. Today-o. Day-o." I still don't understand it...why would they use such prime location to advertise for a 1x daily CR700 flight? In addition, I don't even understand the advertisement itself. I personally think that their advertisements touting the online check-in were much better.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:52 am

Wasn't there a thread some time ago about Alitalia have so many problems with their small fleet of E70s? I heard that they are considering replacing them with new A318s. Their E70 are going tech too often and has been the cause of a lot delays and even cancellations. Could someone confirm? Thanks.
 
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:00 am

Ok, so I flew to and back from BOS yesterday, and on the flight up there, I was speaking to the FA about our E190s.. And he told me the rumor that he heard from up above was that if the problems on the E190's continue, that they will scrap the entire "project" and go with A318's or A319's from another airline. I can't remember which one he said, but it wasn't FlyI.

He also said that one of the main problems is, that the computer is too sophisticated for the airplanes system, he said it something like that.

He also told me that the Embraer Reps are very embarrased about the entire situation, and that this plane has got off to this kind of start, and he said that they have never had a new a/c type start like this...

So it will be interesting to see what happens, and this is only a rumor that's been going around..
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 43):
that they will scrap the entire "project" and go with A318's or A319's from another airline

They can't do that unless they stipulated it in the initial contract and I highly doubt that EMB would have allowed it. I don't know that there is a "lemon" law for airplanes, but I kind of doubt it. They would still have to take delivery of the replacement. Besides the fact the B6 will have to keep most of the E-190s they have firm orders for, at least without substantial penalties, then they are going to add a 318 or a 319. Now they have 3 aircraft types. You just sent them further down the tubes.

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 43):
Embraer Reps are very embarrased about the entire situation

Of course they are. But Neeleman has also said that B6 implemented the plane too quickly. It is not entirely a EMB problem. Airbus is embarrassed over the A-380 delay, but I doubt anyone is able to cancel without substantial penalties. Of course, the initial contract is the kicker. If it were a couple of years, there would be a problem.

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 36):
The pilot inexperience is, in my view, a really big concern. They don't have enough guys and gals with ONE HUNDRED HOURS in the type? Yikes.

The Jetblue pilots that were the first one to fly the 190's, more than likely received a high number of simulator training & in turn probably assisted in writing the training program for Jetblue.

The Checkairmen or Senior pilots will in turn, check out/train the other line pilots.

Having less than 100 hours on the 190 is a "non-issue, or any reason for concern.
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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:33 am

It's an FAA requirement for low visibility. I flew with a 757 captain at TZ that had upgraded and finished his 100 hours during our trip. We lucked up on the weather in TZL a day or two before his milestone, had it been a little worse we would have diverted, not because of his ability nor because of the capability of the aircraft (757-33N), but because of his captain hours. Not to say I disagree with it. I am not sure of his right seat hours, but since he upgraded to 757 captain at TZ, I am relatively sure he is quite experienced.

This was one of my last trips prior to furlough and I also credit this captain, the first officer, international officer and the cabin crew with one of the best trips I ever had at ATA. Just thought I would throw that in since I was thinking about it. Thanks Mark and crew!

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RE: JetBlue CEO Cites Hiccups In Embraer Plane Debut

Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 43):
Ok, so I flew to and back from BOS yesterday, and on the flight up there, I was speaking to the FA about our E190s.. And he told me the rumor that he heard from up above was that if the problems on the E190's continue, that they will scrap the entire "project" and go with A318's or A319's from another airline. I can't remember which one he said, but it wasn't FlyI.

Sorry man but looks like our fellow crewmember must of been on something because that can't be true. First off, the A318 and A319 are NOT replacements for the E190. Of those two, maybe the A318 but it is STILL not the same as the E190. The problems with the E190 will be solved since they are only minor glitches. Afterall, if there were SERIOUS problems with the plane, do you honestly think they would be flying right now?  no 
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