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Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:41 pm

Libya's 'second national carrier', Afriqiyah Airways, will launch flights between Tripoli and Cairo on Monday, June 19, 2006. Flights will be operated on a twice weekly basis (Mondays and Saturdays) with Airbus A320s.

Eff 19/06/06:
8U430 TIP-CAI 1----6- 09:20/13:05 0 A320
8U431 CAI-TIP 1----6- 14:15?16:16 0 A320

During the summer Egyptair have a daily service on the route - 3x A320s and 4x A332s (MS831/832) and Libyan Arab Airlines have 3x weekly AB6 flights (LN202/203).

Cairo will be the airlines 16th destination in Africa/Europe as the fledgling airline expands.

Does anyone know when their A332s are expected to arrive?



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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:09 pm

Not to sure about the 330's but I know they're expanding pretty fast..
Do you know how well they do on some of their western africa routes ??

I believe they are probably the only 'regular' service between some of these west african airports.

Anyone flown on them ??

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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:17 pm

Those timetable will allow passengers from west africa cities such as Lagos, Lome, Accra, Douala to connect. Shame they won't be able to connect to european cities
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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):
Do you know how well they do on some of their western africa routes ??

I really don't know, but West Africa tends to be a profitable operation for most airlines.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):
I believe they are probably the only 'regular' service between some of these west african airports.

Soaps should be able to answer that question...


BTW Soaps, MS have terminated ABJ completely from their timetable so it won't be returning this summer.


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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):

BTW Soaps, MS have terminated ABJ completely from their timetable so it won't be returning this summer.

It's a shame!

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):
Do you know how well they do on some of their western africa routes ??

I really don't know, but West Africa tends to be a profitable operation for most airlines.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):
I believe they are probably the only 'regular' service between some of these west african airports.


Soaps should be able to answer that question..

Its Soups not soaps...  Smile

8U is doing pretty well on african routes most of their flight have very load factors. the majority of its PAX trasfer to LGW,AMS... and other 8u european destinations.
8U is also one of the cheapest airline from west africa to europe.
A few friends flew 8u, their service is below average with bags going missing, delays and missing onwards connections and hopping as most of their african flights are have a stop somewhere ie. TIP-ACC-ABJ-TIP
They sometime add extra flights during the high seaosn. they also recently been using one of novelleair A320, and at one point they were flying MD83 leased from... can't remember
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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
Its Soups not soaps... Smile

Indeed it is Soaps

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
and at one point they were flying MD83 leased from... can't remember

It was a Luxor Air MD-83 SU-BME

Here is a picture of the aircraft operating to LGW on behalf of 8U:


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Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
Its Soups not soaps...

Hi Soapy !!... (Just kiddddding !!)

But considering all you jet said, they are a little more reliable than most other airlines in the western african region...
Im not familiar with RAM and I know VK dont have as many routes as 8U yet..
so I mean.. who else would be a true competition ??
Do ET still have an influence in western africa or KQ ?

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Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
8U is doing pretty well on african routes most of their flight have very load factors.

Loads mean little, whereas yields mean everything. I have seen very cheap flights with 8U (from London with BD to BRU then with 8U to BKO or Niamey and back to BRU and then to LON with BD for like £230 all-in), which indicates that its yields might not be good. Or it might have been a one-off promotion or something.

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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:13 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
Loads mean little, whereas yields mean everything. I have seen very cheap flights with 8U, which indicates that its yields might not be good. Or it might have been a one-off promotion or something.

Hi Pearson... did you move to Wales mate ? And what happened to the DC3 flights ?
annnnnyway.....

Are 8U privately owned and how do they compare with Libyan Arab ?? I dont think Libyan has as big a network as 8U ...
Id be interested to see who local Libyans prefer to fly..
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 8):
Are 8U privately owned and how do they compare with Libyan Arab ?

I think they are government owned.

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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 9):
I think they are government owned.

The airline was launched by Mr Gaddafi on the 9/9/99 (hence the tail) to promote the african unity Gaddaffi is trying to create

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6):
But considering all you jet said, they are a little more reliable than most other airlines in the western african region...
Im not familiar with RAM and I know VK dont have as many routes as 8U yet..

well as in african terms RAM is a competitor along with Tunisair. others are european airlines like KL/BA/AF
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Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:39 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 9):
I think they are government owned.

So.. Libya has 2 government owned airlines ?? Im thinking one of them must be Private...where would the sense be in having 2 state owned airlines ??

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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 11):
So.. Libya has 2 government owned airlines ?? Im thinking one of them must be Private...where would the sense be in having 2 state owned airlines ??

Not the only country where is happens - Air India and Indian Airlines are owned by the Indian Government
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Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 11):
So.. Libya has 2 government owned airlines ?? Im thinking one of them must be Private...where would the sense be in having 2 state owned airlines ??

If I am not mistaken, Libyan Arab Airlines is the one that is soooo Arab in Libya, while Afriqiyah is the one that is sooooo African in Libya. You fly one of either depending on what direction the political game is taking. Afriqiyah was created when the head of that country realized he was African.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:04 am

ETStar, I heard the same. Do you think LN and 8U would merge? Maybe privatise 8U as they seem to have a more modern outlook and the extra capital would come in handy if they continue to expand.

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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:34 am

If bith LN and 8U are government-owned then how the market repartition is made ? If we consider CAI, the airport is already served by LN no ? If yes, why adding a second national carrier ? Or is it the Libyan side of aviation marketing  Wink
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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 14):
ETStar, I heard the same. Do you think LN and 8U would merge? Maybe privatise 8U as they seem to have a more modern outlook and the extra capital would come in handy if they continue to expand.

Horus, I doubt that the two airlines will merge, especially since LN is more of an object of pride, Jamahiriya and all. If it were to ever happen, Afriqiyah could be absorbed by LN, but then again, LN's name has a lot of history including outsiders' views towards the country/its leaders and may not be favoured by foreign customers. I say this because Afriqiyah was established more recently and is expanding at a much quicker rate than LN, while LN itself could have very well expanded and both have the same owner.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
will launch flights between Tripoli and Cairo

Why they have waited so long time?
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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 17):
Why they have waited so long time?

The Libyan/Egyptian bi-laterals had to be renegotiated to accomodate a third airline. Besides MS has the lion's share of the market with its superior service and frequency, so I would say they tried to slow 8U's access to CAI.

If you notice, both 8U and LN's Saturday flights depart within minutes of each other. Surely such competition by 2 Libyan state owned airlines is pointless?

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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:10 am

Slightly off topic but Afriqiyah A300 TS-IAY is currently in Australia, providing a rare feast for spotters. But the fact it is transporting some sort of official party (from what I hear) suggests the airline is likely to be government owned.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Airways To Start TIP-CAI Flights

Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 18):

If you notice, both 8U and LN's Saturday flights depart within minutes of each other. Surely such competition by 2 Libyan state owned airlines is pointless?

Could be a sign that LN is pulling out? Just speculating of course.

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 19):
But the fact it is transporting some sort of official party (from what I hear) suggests the airline is likely to be government owned.

If I recall correctly, the leader himslef "commissioned" the airline, so must be a government owned.