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Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:27 am

Paris Airports (Orly, Le Bourget and CDG) have prohobited photography inside the airport. This is because of a new legislation that prohibits French to take photos inside public and protected places. The fine for its breakage is €350.

Terrible insident. Another reason why I will never fly via CDG and use AF.

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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:40 am

Merde, Zut alors and other naughty French words. Silly Frogs!

Well, CDG was never one of my favourite airports and this is really a stupid move - more than likely in the name of security - that will achieve nothing positive. It only means that gendermes and security thugs will be focusing on issues which don't pose any risk to security ... and will be diverted from issues which do.

Strange that AF's partner airline, KL, has one of the most pleasant and civilised bases in Europe. One can only hope that the Dutch remain immune to frogitis.

Now I'm off for a plate of Liberty fries.
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
This is because of a new legislation that prohibits French to take photos inside public and protected places.

Does this carry over into places like The Louvre, Eiffel Tower, etc. as they are public and protected places? That would be a shame.
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:56 am

What is the purpose of this? Tourists take pictures and tourism is a big income for France.
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:07 am

In this case , it seems like France is becoming as an old East European country during the communism period !!! A very big shame !!!
It's only a stupid decision taken by politics , who have no idea what spotting planes is.They see terrorists everywhere !!!!!!!! Totally stupid!!!!!!!!!!

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No , up to now (hope also in the future too !!!) you can make pictures of the Eiffel Tower , Palais du Louvre and Arc de Triomphe as you wish.
If one day it becomes forbidden , so France will be dead......
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:06 am

I got yelled at this past year for taking a picture in Orly.
It is a stupid rule and I don't really understand what it accomplishes. I assumed it was the airline I was flying that had the rule, as they were the people telling me off. I also got yelled at for photo-taking by the same airline when sitting in one of their planes (during boarding!) at EDI later in the year. Its very odd.
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:08 am

>>>>>>>> I know what´s happening! It is the result of a secret meeting late at night, one week ago, when the airplane washers syndicate claimed there were too many spotters and they couldn´t put up with the job because of labor restrictive laws. They got into an agreement with the mayor, who prompted to fine the spotters for a share in the total fine revenue. - Now those in charge of AF aircraft washing will feel there is less a burden in leaving their planes so dirty.
>>>>>>>> Now, seriously speaking, France is becoming worse than the U.S. in terms of fear from terrorist attacks. Something French people always were proud of was their relative independence from the American way of life that spreads around the globe. They also claimed they were more sensitive about the war in Iraq and multicultural convivence.
>>>>>>>> What exactly is the fear? Terrorists may hide mini-missiles in camera-like devices? The digital cameras may interfere with the delicate electromagnetic controls of the aircraft? Spotters are deviating attention of the pilots from their duty, and there is risk they start making up or combing their hair and therefore crash into Eiffel tower.
>>>>>>>> In just two words: No sense.
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:09 am

BS and more BS... how sillier can it get?
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:10 am

A lot of tourists do take photos at airports, usually like the one in a post above, and they are often not even airline/spotter type enthusiasts as we are. I would hate to be one of them, take a picture, and not know what hit them they get fined for it.

I seriously doubt this would impact the monuments of Paris.
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:35 am

>>> Excuse me mister Frequentflyer, but... What does BS mean? Textual words, please!

>>> By the way, does anybody know what is the exact reason for this prohibition?
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
Paris Airports (Orly, Le Bourget and CDG) have prohobited photography inside the airport. This is because of a new legislation that prohibits French to take photos inside public and protected places. The fine for its breakage is �350.

I never heard of this "new legislation" . Please give us your source, I'm most interested.
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:46 am

[quote=Campbelldok,reply=10]>>> Excuse me mister Frequentflyer, but... What does BS mean? Textual words, please!quote]

Bullsh*t, not Bachelor of Science.
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:52 am

Let's not get political with this, makes no difference whether it is CDG or JFK. What is important is that, if this is true, it will make the lives of aviation photographers that much harder. Let's hope it is not a sign of things to come.

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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 6):
I got yelled at this past year for taking a picture in Orly.

Don't feel bad; I got yelled at multiple times at JFK for having a camera out. Screw the cops and security guards and anyone else who wants to stop me. I am gonna be stealthy like the ninja and take pictures anyway. These guys don't seem to understand that there are people out there who love airplanes that make a day out of going to the airport just to see their "loved ones".

I will never forget when I watched a cop at JFK chew out a guy for having binoculars out. The man was doing some spotting while waiting for his family to arrive on a flight. Cop told him he looked suspicious and the gentleman questioned why. Cop ; "You have binoculars out and are staring at planes. How do you NOT look suspicious?
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 15):
Don't feel bad; I got yelled at multiple times at JFK for having a camera out.

If you're taking pictures in the security line or in Custoims/Immigration that's one thing. Otherwise the cops were overreacting.
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:24 am

Obviously terrorist/tourist are becoming synonymous. Seriously, a terrorist spy would have small enough camera equipment that would not been seen, no?
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airpo

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 15):
Don't feel bad; I got yelled at multiple times at JFK for having a camera out. Screw the cops and security guards and anyone else who wants to stop me. I am gonna be stealthy like the ninja and take pictures anyway. These guys don't seem to understand that there are people out there who love airplanes that make a day out of going to the airport just to see their "loved ones".

that's right...no "5-0" is going to stop me from taking photos and watching beautiful birds.......such as this..


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Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
Paris Airports (Orly, Le Bourget and CDG) have prohobited photography inside the airport. This is because of a new legislation that prohibits French to take photos inside public and protected places. The fine for its breakage is �350.

that's very interesting......while I was transfering last summer from LHR-CDG-DXG, our 737-500 stopped at a remote spot at CDG...we took a bus from the plane to the terminal, but while we were getting off of our bus, there were two police who wanted to see everyone's passports...meanwhile, I was taking photos left and right...when it got to my turn (I was conveniently the last person to exit), the police asked to take my digital camera and delete certain photos.......of course, knowing that I looked like an American and had a United States passport, he spoke to me only in French-from the word go! Fortunately I understand French much better than I speak it, so I had no problems understanding him.. biggrin ...

that being said, he really didn't give me any problems and I took photos at CDG the terminals left and right on multiple occasions with police right next to me, and they never bothered me... no 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:42 am

People,
from what I read in the the Czech airticle, it says its something new, effective as of now. I wrote an email to CDG asking about this. As soon as they respond me, I will be posting it here.
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:55 am

There's another thread about this in the aviation photography forum,
Photography At Paris CDG And LBG Forbidden! (by 1stspotter Jan 17 2006 in Aviation Photography)

So stupid !
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 13):
Cop told him he looked suspicious and the gentleman questioned why. Cop ; "You have binoculars out and are staring at planes. How do you NOT look suspicious?

Cops are paid to look at all people suspiciously. Smart ones, however, can quickly tell when a threat is real or not. This one clearly was not a thinking model. Sadly, I fear most aren't...
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 10):
never heard of this "new legislation" . Please give us your source, I'm most interested.

'Last 7th november was published a 'arrêté prefectoral' law # 05-4979 in connection with police regulations on CDG airport.
Title VIII - General Policy Article 32 - rules it is prohibited:
5 - to take pictures for private use, on all amenities, moving and non moving (buildings) of the reserved area from the public area.
Aeroport de Paris is responsible in putting correct communication to inform the public of those differents prohibitions, thru billboards, posters and other means of information messages. Messages should be written in severals languages and at least in french and english.'
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:25 pm

Flew 14dec05 into- (via AF) and out (via RG) of CDG, and have been taken pictures all day without being bothered once !!!
Lot's of police officers around, but was never stopped...
Guess, I don't look suspicious  Big grin
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:51 pm

From my reading of the law, it is to ban primarly those area of the airport not open to the public - what they term the 'reserve area'. That to me is to suggest no photos of areas like security checkpoints, and generally designeated security critical areas where only airport employee are allowed (behind the security doors), of police equipment, of police and security employees in action or of security procedures. There is a well understood need to limit photography of those areas and people. Of course, some police will take this as a blanket prohibition of all areas as they are lazy, inept or interpet the law broadly so don't have to get into arguements with people.
Many airports in the USA have significant bans on photos or binoculars, as noted in other posts, due to intense security issues. I would also suggest that another reason for a ban at some airports is to limit the access by 'papparazzi', those scum that try to take pictures of celeberties in public places.
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 10):
I never heard of this "new legislation" . Please give us your source, I'm most interested.

A discussion on the same subject in a French forum (in French !)

http://forums.radiocockpit.com/viewtopic.php?t=22930

Another stupid "posture" taken very probably under the influence of the Interior Minister Sarkozy (the Prefects report to him directly), who is working more on media propaganda than for really trying to solve the problems.
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting Nonrevman (Reply 8):
A lot of tourists do take photos at airports, usually like the one in a post above

Yes I was a tourist that day, taking a picture of my kids with the beautiful architecture of 2F as a background, while waiting for our KL flight back home. We went to Paris for the day, to enjoy the flying and climb the Eiffel Tower. It is possible to be a tourist and an aviation enthusiast at once, you know  Wink
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:03 pm

OK. One little question comes to mind. What about the Paris Airshow? Will photography be prohibited? All those people walking around where they are not usually allowed...like the tarmac. Or, will those few days be exempt? Can't wait to here the details...and corrections.

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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:33 pm

Since I live in France, I fly out of CDG all the time, and I haven't noticed anything informing you of this reglementation... Nothing like the non-smoking signs and speaker announcements anyway, which are clearly visible (and audible). This doesn't mean it's not true and it wouldn't surprise me! However, it's so easy to take a picture with a mobile without anybody noticing it.

Anyway, I'll check next time if I see or hear anything concerning this rule.

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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Trijetman (Reply 26):
Since I live in France, I fly out of CDG all the time, and I haven't noticed anything informing you of this reglementation... Nothing like the non-smoking signs and speaker announcements anyway, which are clearly visible (and audible). This doesn't mean it's not true and it wouldn't surprise me! However, it's so easy to take a picture with a mobile without anybody noticing it.

The thing is that this legislation is COMPLETELY new. Effective as you this week of something like that. Its not like it started months ago.
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[Edited 2006-01-28 17:45:55]
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 22):
From my reading of the law, it is to ban primarly those area of the airport not open to the public - what they term the 'reserve area'. That to me is to suggest no photos of areas like security checkpoints, and generally designeated security critical areas where only airport employee are allowed (behind the security doors), of police equipment, of police and security employees in action or of security procedures.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
that's very interesting......while I was transfering last summer from LHR-CDG-DXG, our 737-500 stopped at a remote spot at CDG...we took a bus from the plane to the terminal, but while we were getting off of our bus, there were two police who wanted to see everyone's passports...meanwhile, I was taking photos left and right...when it got to my turn (I was conveniently the last person to exit), the police asked to take my digital camera and delete certain photos....

notice I said that the police made me delete only CERTAIN photos...not all....and certainly not the ones with the planes in them....if they wanted to, they could have made me delete all of my photos..

so I don't think that they will ban ALL photos at CDG...but I guess one never knows...
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:29 am

i print out business cards with my jetphotos and airliners id on it.... and on the back is a sample picture. Winnipeg Police and airport security seem to be ok....
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 25):
OK. One little question comes to mind. What about the Paris Airshow? Will photography be prohibited? All those people walking around where they are not usually allowed...like the tarmac. Or, will those few days be exempt? Can't wait to here the details...and corrections.

Exactly what I was thinking. Kind of a problem if you're trying to sell airplanes. Or what about Toulouse? What, no more photos of A-380 first flights....and from the viewing area there no less?
 
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 9):
>>> By the way, does anybody know what is the exact reason for this prohibition?

A flash from a camera was responsible for the collapse of the roof in CDG!!!
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RE: Photography Strictly Prohibited In Paris Airports!

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 3):
What is the purpose of this? Tourists take pictures and tourism is a big income for France.
This will be in the past then:

Amazing pic there, I've flown from 2f before - it's an AWESOME terminal.

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