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LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:35 am

LH will bring their new A340-600 (delivery starts in September 2006) on the routes from Frankfurt to Chicago (Flight LH 432 daily starting 15SEP06) and to Bangalore (Flight LH 754 daily starting 18OCT06). Service to Chicago ends to the end of summer timetable (in winter 06/07 only daily 744 service LH 430 as usual), service to Bangalore will continue in the winter timetable 06/07 (also daily).


Flight details:
LH 432 FRA-ORD 17:00-19:10
LH 433 ORD-FRA 21:40-13:05+
LH 754 FRA-BLR 11:15-23:45
LH 755 BLR-FRA 01:35-07:35
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:01 am

I had a bit of trouble trying to understand what you wrote, but I am actually surprised that Lufthansa is operating the A340-600 to Chicago. From what I understand, there is no first class cabin on the A346s for LH. I would have thought that Chicago is a high enough yielding destination to warrent a first class cabin. Also a number of people connect from United Airlines flights to Lufthansa.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:09 am

OK, an elementary question.
On a route like FRA-ORD, what benefit does the 346 have over the 343?
Besides obviously more pax?

Where does a 346 slot between the 340 and 747 fleets?
Range?
Pax?
Cargo?
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
. I would have thought that Chicago is a high enough yielding destination to warrent a first class cabin.

It sure is... The new A346s will have 8F 60C 238M.
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
It sure is... The new A346s will have 8F 60C 238M.

A good choice of LH put put 8F class seats into their A346. I read that their first class bookings increased by 20% from JAN-JUN 2005, finally atleast with LH F class is expanding again!

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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:56 am

IB has occasionally sends their A346 to ORD, there is a slight problem with the length of the plane however during the taxiway.........
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:04 am

I am stunned by LH's ability to profitably manage, what, 4 different fleets of A340-600s?

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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:49 pm

Can BLR take a A346? BOM was having problems handling VS A346s.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:12 pm

That is awesome news for the Banglorians, but as i have read the loads on the BLR-FRA sector can easily handle a daily 744.

Maybe Nimish/Himmat etc... can confirm this
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:48 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 7):
Can BLR take a A346? BOM was having problems handling VS A346s.

I would think not, it might be a tight squeeze, but then again, it can take a 744, so a 346 won't be too bad, I just feel sorry for the poor sods who would be sitting all the way at the end of Y class.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:10 pm

is the F in the A346 getting the same seats as the 744s?

anyone know how many LD3 containers the downstairs toilets displace??

[Edited 2006-01-28 15:11:36]
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Cargo?

The 346 can actually carry more cargo than the 744...
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
The 346 can actually carry more cargo than the 744...

Is this still true for LH's A346 with lower lobe lavs? They displace a lot of LD3's.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6):
I am stunned by LH's ability to profitably manage, what, 4 different fleets of A340-600s?

I've read on here that the reason for the 3 different layouts of LH's 340-600's is that they can easily put more/less C-class seats in them. So they can more accurately meet exact bookings for different flights.
Anyone here who knows how this is being done?

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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:54 am

The FRABLR flight has needed additional C class capacity for some time now. Good to see LH answering the call. I wish we had an 346 out at JFK. That woudl be quite a sight.
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Eyeonthesky17 (Reply 14):
The FRABLR flight has needed additional C class capacity for some time now. Good to see LH answering the call. I wish we had an 346 out at JFK. That woudl be quite a sight.

Same, i did that flight last year on the LH 744 in F, but the A346 is not a welcome aircraft in JFK because of taxiway problems...


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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 12):
Is this still true for LH's A346 with lower lobe lavs? They displace a lot of LD3's.

A346 can carry 42 LD3s, 744 32, It looks to me like the lavs should displace at least 6-8 LD3s as each is 60in , take or leave a little, wide and the lavs look like they need about the equivalent of 6 rows of seats.But anyone know the actual numbers???
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 16):
A346 can carry 42 LD3s, 744 32, It looks to me like the lavs should displace at least 6-8 LD3s as each is 60in , take or leave a little, wide and the lavs look like they need about the equivalent of 6 rows of seats.But anyone know the actual numbers???

You also need to account for the stairway and the galley stowage.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 17):
You also need to account for the stairway and the galley stowage.

What I did was measure the length of the entire lower galley/lav area on LHs seatplan and assuming its drawn to same scale as the cabin, and the stairs are the same size on both so it probably is, you need about 6 rows of seats.
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 15):
but the A346 is not a welcome aircraft in JFK because of taxiway problems...

Not true. Iberia, Cathay Pacific, and Iberia operate the A340-600 regulary into JFK.


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Apparently LH does not operate the A340-600 into JFK because it does not have an F cabin and there is a large F class demand into JFK.

I had heard that the A340-600 was not a welcome aircraft at ORD because of taxi way problems. The first A340-600 to land at ORD was an Iberia A340-600 from MAD I think last year. Since then Iberia has operated the ocasional A340-600 into ORD and this summer it is scheduled regulary.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:27 am

The Iberia flight is scheduled regularly and apparently, the Lufthansa flight is only scheduled until October or so. Why is this? Also, are there seat maps for the new A340-600 with F, and will they have new F seats? Lastly, will Iberia have the new Business Plus seats or the old ones?
 
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
I would think not, it might be a tight squeeze, but then again, it can take a 744, so a 346 won't be too bad,

The A346 is quite a bit LONGER than a 744.....
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 8):
That is awesome news for the Banglorians, but as i have read the loads on the BLR-FRA sector can easily handle a daily 744.

Lots of empty seats in recent months on the BLR-FRA sector. Late last year several flights even had empty J class cabins. This from people who flew several trips with LH, YYZ-FRA-BLR-FRA-YYZ in Nov. and Dec.

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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 20):
Lastly, will Iberia have the new Business Plus seats or the old ones?

On Iberia's current fleet of 10 A340-600s the new Business Plus seats are installed.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:43 pm

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 22):
Lots of empty seats in recent months on the BLR-FRA sector. Late last year several flights even had empty J class cabins. This from people who flew several trips with LH, YYZ-FRA-BLR-FRA-YYZ in Nov. and Dec.

And I'm really glad about that. With the additional services from BA/AF and other international carriers, LH's free run at BLR is finally at an end  Smile

I'm now able to get a confirmed seat on LH at rather short notice, which is great for those doing the travelling!

That being said, I'm kind of surprised about the 346 in BLR - given the relatively small size of the airport and the taxiways. However, BLR is quite capable of 747s (at least 1-2 cargo 747's every day), so hopefully the 346 should not be a problem. It will also mean more capacity on BLR-Europe non-stop - while AI is still busy adding zero services from BLR  sarcastic !
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 19):
Not true. Iberia, Cathay Pacific, and Iberia operate the A340-600 regulary into JFK.

It could have something to do with parking issues at T1....vs. taxiway problems.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 24):
However, BLR is quite capable of 747s (at least 1-2 cargo 747's every day), so hopefully the 346 should not be a problem.

As mentioned earlier, the a346 is longer and demands bigger parking slots/taxiways. The ability to handle a 744 does not mean it can automatically handle the -600. That being said I can’t wait to see her at BLR.

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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 25):
T1

No airline at Terminal 1 flies the A340-600 into JFK.
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RE: LH's New A340-600 Service To Chicago And Bangalore

Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:37 am

This is awesome. I have yet to see a 346 at ORD. With the Privatair service, do they really need any more upgrade space? Granted, Privatair is business class (DUS-ORD), but the customer to FA ratio is a definite feature. For this same reason, I suspect LH would need more economy seats.

I have flown LH ORD-MUC (343) and they are a great airline. I was towards the rear of the coach cabin, but came up to me and offered my first choice of meals because of my UA (Star Alliance) miles. The seat next to me was a friend, so it worked out. They also gave her first choice just because they offered me. I also flew first on LH FRA-LHR. Also a great flight.

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