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Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:13 pm

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/A319_Short_Takeoff.wmv

Almost looks like they're not going to make it... but when they open those throttles, whoosh!

(Apologies if this has been posted before, I did a search and didn't get any results)
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:20 pm

That's some G's right there, wish they would give rides lol.
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:27 pm

I think that was an airshow demo; remember reading that somewhere before.
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:35 pm

Man! How do they do this stuff? Impressive video, thanks a lot!
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:38 pm

I saw this video a couple of years ago. Pretty impressive, but not really surprising.

The A319 does have a pretty high power-to-weight ratio.

The fact that it was empty and built up enough speed makes such a suddenly steep climb possible.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:39 pm

With that kind of climb it must have been all economy class...  Smile
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:23 pm

WOW!!!! Now that bird climed like a rocket!!!
Thanks for sharing.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:35 pm

I have seen an ATR-42 do that before at APG, which was specatular! But I am sure not as awesome as an A319 doing it!
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:43 pm

Wonder what an empty B752 or B762 would do in that airshow demo......oh narrow body what about the B737???
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:48 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
Wonder what an empty B752 or B762 would do in that airshow demo

Like it was not even trying... and unlike the A319 it would not drop off but keep climbing like a rocket. Most any empty airliner will climb just like that....
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:49 pm

If only airlines started doing this whilst the aircraft was in service. Would this actually be allowed? It'd defiantly stop those annoying mums & kids from getting up and going to the toilet during take-off. Big grin
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:53 pm

[Like it was not even trying... and unlike the A319 it would not drop off but keep climbing like a rocket.[/quote]

Exactly........and probably out climb the bus even with more than 3/4 MTOW onboard.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:49 pm

[Over the Intercom]

*DING DONG*

"Passengers can now remove themselves from the back of the aircraft and return to thier seats please. Thank you and enjoy the rest of the flight."

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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:16 pm

I've always wondered why this aircraft type does the following:

Just after the plane lifts from the ground, the nose sinks back towards the ground and then recovers. It is quite noticeable in the video. I don't see this happen with Boeing 737 aircraft...anyone care to speculate?
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:48 am

ahhh... let's see what that "NITRO" button does
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting RichM (Reply 10):
If only airlines started doing this whilst the aircraft was in service. Would this actually be allowed? It'd defiantly stop those annoying mums & kids from getting up and going to the toilet during take-off.

It won't be able to do that. And luckily it won't, as there are some known (annoying) bugs that can occur when the aircraft climbs like a rocket.... 

[Edited 2006-01-28 18:07:10]
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:15 am

How did they do that?
1. No passengers, so very low payload, probably minimum fuel.
2. Full power takeoff, flaps 1+F, trim +3.0 or so.
3. On rotation, bury the nose to kill the climb, speed up, clean up, then at the appropriate speed, yank back on the stick.
4. No meal before the flight, lest you wish to chuck on the panel  Sad

The earlier comment that the 319 has a high power to weight ratio is very true. It is one of the reasons that it is being used at more airports where it has not been used before, e.g. Florence, Italy. Before AZ and Meridiana started their 319 operations there, the largest jet flown into FLR was an Avro.

On a short hop like FLR-MXP, there is not a large fuel requirement, so you can fill it up to max payload (only about 110 seats, if that) and no cargo. Meridiana can take the 319 as far as London without much of a problem.

my two cents.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 13):
Just after the plane lifts from the ground, the nose sinks back towards the ground and then recovers. It is quite noticeable in the video. I don't see this happen with Boeing 737 aircraft...anyone care to speculate?

In that video, the aircraft was demoing at a local airshow, so the nose dip in this case is exactly what the pilot wants - to display the aircraft at a low height parallel with the ground before he reaches the end of the crowd line and performs a dramatic turn away.
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 16):
On a short hop like FLR-MXP, there is not a large fuel requirement, so you can fill it up to max payload (only about 110 seats, if that) and no cargo. Meridiana can take the 319 as far as London without much of a problem.

The Alitalia A319's have got 126 seats.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Like it was not even trying... and unlike the A319 it would not drop off but keep climbing like a rocket. Most any empty airliner will climb just like that....



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 11):
Exactly........and probably out climb the bus even with more than 3/4 MTOW onboard.

You're both overestimating the power of the B752 and B762. They're great aircraft and I won't take that away from them but the A319 is certainly no slouch.

Looking at thrust to weight ratios at operating empty weight, the A319 has a ratio of 1:1.87, the B752 is 1:1.6 and the B762 is 1:1.86. Bearing in mind that the A319s wing and aerodynamics (its one of the most slippery jets in the air) are years in advance of either the B752/762 there would be very little in it if they were all to perform this sort of display. In fact the B762 would be left behind due to its inertia.

Responding to IAHFLYR's above comment. In operation at MTOW, things are different still. A319 ratio 1:3, B752 also 1:3, B762 1:3.125. The A319 and B752 are able to climb at roughly the same rate, The B762 lags behind slightly. So your comment about a 3/4 loaded B752 or B762 outclimbing an empty A319 was maybe a bit of an exaggeration.  

Like I say, this is not A vs B. I've flown in all of these aircraft and love them all equally. Some people are under the impression that Airbus climb performance could be better and in the case of the widebodies they are correct. However, the A319 is an entirely different animal and boasts excellent climb performance. The biggest problem is slowing the darn things down. The A319 has a very hard time descending and slowing at the same time.

Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 13):
I've always wondered why this aircraft type does the following:

Just after the plane lifts from the ground, the nose sinks back towards the ground and then recovers. It is quite noticeable in the video. I don't see this happen with Boeing 737 aircraft...anyone care to speculate?

This was the pilot's intention. The A320 series have auto-trim in manual flight. You're far less likely to see any sort of nose dip/rise after takeoff on an A319 than you are on a B737 with manual elevator trim.

[Edited 2006-01-28 18:41:55]

[Edited 2006-01-28 18:43:59]
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:46 am

Good post WAH64D, thanks for the numbers!
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:43 am

I can't download the video Firefox says the url could not be found, do you have another way I can see it? (looking at the reactions it's a good video!)
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 19):
This was the pilot's intention. The A320 series have auto-trim in manual flight. You're far less likely to see any sort of nose dip/rise after takeoff on an A319 than you are on a B737 with manual elevator trim.

Great post WAH64D.
Furthermore, I think the pilot's intention in this video was to demonstrate Airbus FBW and associated flight control laws.

BTW, I've seen an empty A346 doing similiar impressive take-offs.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 15):
And luckily it won't, as there are some known (annoying) bugs that can occur when the aircraft climbs like a rocket...

Now you're gonna have to tell us what they are... c'mon don't leave us in the dark like that. lol
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 23):
Now you're gonna have to tell us what they are... c'mon don't leave us in the dark like that. lol

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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:10 am

Does anyone have another link? Or can the file be re-posted? The link isn't working!

Thanks!
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:16 am

Edit - my post showed up twice!

[Edited 2006-01-28 23:17:06]
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:04 am

Just got it, link working again.
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 19):

This was the pilot's intention. The A320 series have auto-trim in manual flight. You're far less likely to see any sort of nose dip/rise after takeoff on an A319 than you are on a B737 with manual elevator trim.

Ok guys. Interesting answer but I don't buy it. I fly 1 to 2 times per week out of Zurich so I get a chance to watch a lot of A319/320/321 takeoffs and they ALL pitch down after wheels up. So I was baiting the group to see if I would get a real answer.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting BA (Reply 4):

The A319 does have a pretty high power-to-weight ratio.

No it does not. Really. It doesn't.

However when it's empty, it can do amazing stuff like that. It's also possible that that was an ACJ which DOES have a high power:weight ratio.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:36 am

It looks like it's at an airshow, therefore it's safe to say it was empty. The low level flight after take-off could only happen during an airshow or display.

[Edited 2006-01-29 00:38:10]
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:00 am

No ACJ... this was a regular A319-112 equipped with ordinary cfm56-5B6/P engines rated @ ~23.5klbs. Aircraft was in Eurowings colors, now operated by Germanwings, Eurowings/Lufthansa's low cost carrier. Was a demonstration, no scheduled flight. It's an Airbus tradition to do those low fly-bys and then climb at the max rate within the protected flight envelope.

The most powerful engine on a 'regular' (non ACJ) A319 by the way is the IAE V2524-A5 @ ~24.5klbs.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/146316/M/

[Edited 2006-01-29 01:03:11]
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:17 am

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Thank you for the correction. I made a guess...

I did get the rest correct, yes?

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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:36 am

Looks like a classic soft field takeoff to me. Keep it rolling around the turn, add full power, rotate just above stall speed, fly in ground effect and accelarate to Vx or Vy and away you go. Do them all the time in the Warrior, but never seen one done in an A-319. Very impressive.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:38 am

Tipical airshow operation. I've seen a A330 perform a similiar stunt at a Portuguese Airshow, followed by a slight stall (accidental) or not.

Great video!
 
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting RichM (Reply 10):
If only airlines started doing this whilst the aircraft was in service. Would this actually be allowed? It'd defiantly stop those annoying mums & kids from getting up and going to the toilet during take-off.

Followed by a barrel roll and the problem might come to a halt.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 19):
So your comment about a 3/4 loaded B752 or B762 outclimbing an empty A319 was maybe a bit of an exaggeration.

Not much of an exaggeration but thanks for the numbers....the 762 info....wow!
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:49 am

I WISH I WAS ON THAT ONE!

Wow that looks amazing!
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:13 pm

Oh, that's nothing. You should see what a NW DC9 can do when it wants to.  Smile

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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Amy (Reply 29):
Quoting BA (Reply 4):

The A319 does have a pretty high power-to-weight ratio.

No it does not. Really. It doesn't.

The numbers are above and speak for themselves. Its power to weight ratio is not far off that of a B752. I flew LHR-GVA on a BA A319 last year, it was 90% full and still cruised at FL410 so lack of power is certainly not a problem on these birds. Whether an operator wishes to de-rate the climb to save money is up to them.
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 16):
On a short hop like FLR-MXP, there is not a large fuel requirement, so you can fill it up to max payload

It's a pretty good feeling too - full aircraft, sit at the end of the runway, throttle up while on the breaks, then let go, that really does throw you back into your seat!

I love watching AZ and IG's A319's do it, especially when taking off towards the mountains at FLR

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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:45 am

I flew BZZ-MAN on an FJE 757 when we flew military charters to BSR via AKT. With no PAX or cargo we took about 15-20 seconds takeoff roll and climbed like a rocket, but only to about 1000ft or so, we saw the shadow on the ground for ages!
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:41 am

Great video.. thanks for sharing...
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:04 am

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but take another few looks at the video...

In particular, look at the portion just after going past the ILS glideslope antenna, and as it levels off parallel to the runway and flies past all the single engine general aviation aircraft in the background. Anyone catch the diiferences in scales? The GA aircraft sure look pretty huge in the background considering that's supposedly a real A319 between them and the camera...

Gee, do you suppose the video clip could be of a RC version of the A319, not unlike the RC versions of the A380 and Concorde that have appeared on recent home videos?

Then again, maybe I just need new glasses...  Wink
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 43):
The GA aircraft sure look pretty huge in the background considering that's supposedly a real A319 between them and the camera...

It looks to me as if those small aircrafts are nearer then the a319
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 2):
I think that was an airshow demo; remember reading that somewhere before.

Really, odd, I thought all A319's took off like that Wink
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 44):
It looks to me as if those small aircrafts are nearer then the a319

The first one you see briefly once the "A319" passes the ILS glideslope antenna, maybe, but the others don't appear that way, not to me anyways...
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 43):
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but take another few looks at the video...

In particular, look at the portion just after going past the ILS glideslope antenna, and as it levels off parallel to the runway and flies past all the single engine general aviation aircraft in the background. Anyone catch the diiferences in scales? The GA aircraft sure look pretty huge in the background considering that's supposedly a real A319 between them and the camera...

Gee, do you suppose the video clip could be of a RC version of the A319, not unlike the RC versions of the A380 and Concorde that have appeared on recent home videos?

Then again, maybe I just need new glasses...

It is real, the video was taken during an airshow in Friedrichshafen/Germany  Wink
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RE: Impressive A319 Takeoff Video

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:00 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
Wonder what an empty B752 or B762 would do in that airshow demo......

...I experienced a test flight with an empty 767-300ER some months ago...
The test was to perform two CAT-IIIB approaches with an automatic Go Around first and a manual Go Around in the second one.

The purpose of the test was to check the non interference between the avionics and the new entertainment system on board.

Both the Go Around were extremely exciting but the second one with the manual procedure was unbelievable… those two test pilots (both former military pilots…) pulled up the nose of this 767 in a way that I will never forget… I can clearly remember the unusual slope of the skyline of Charlotte (North Carolina) and the feeling of this incredible thrust… WOW… my best flight ever!!!