spotterke
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Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:16 pm

Hi,i found this pic in the database today and i was wondering why i can't see any lights on this plane.Since it is almost dark in this pic i was expecting at least some landing lights.Anyone with an answer?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=995369

[Edited 2006-01-28 12:22:13]
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agill
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:30 pm

It's taking off isn't it?


or maybe not... I don't know but it would explain the absence of lights.

[Edited 2006-01-28 12:31:26]
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:35 pm

Quoting Spotterke (Thread starter):
Hi,i found this pic in the database today and i was wondering why i can't see any lights on this plane

You can't see them because the plane is flying away from you.
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:41 pm

Quoting Agill (Reply 1):
or maybe not... I don't know but it would explain the absence of lights.

Are you sure about that? I thought that landing lights was required to be on when below 10,000 feet whether you're climbing or descending.. not totally sure though
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:48 pm

When I was at IXM in December, there were no lights at the airport bar the usual blue lights showing edges of the taxiways, etc. No lights at all on the runway.  Smile Was a little surprising, but hey - they know that they're doing.
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:54 pm

Well it's a silhouette. Has anybody not also noticed that total lack of colour on the plane?
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):

Are you sure about that? I thought that landing lights was required to be on when below 10,000 feet whether you're climbing or descending.. not totally sure though

Well they would be pointing the other way wouldn't they so we wouldn't see them.
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:05 pm

You're looking at the plane from the back, hence you don't see the landing lights.
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
You can't see them because the plane is flying away from you.



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
You're looking at the plane from the back, hence you don't see the landing lights.

EMBQA and Scorpio are right. It says in the remarks the other plane has just taken off from rwy 15, and the one in the front is landing on 27, which means that the landing plane has to approach from the left hand side of the rwy 15 direction (which it currently does). If we'd be looking at it head-on, it would have to approach rwy 09, which is unlikely because it says otherwise in the remarks, and because it would have had to cross an active runway with a plane rolling for take-off on it.

So the reason you're not seeing any landing lights is indeed because you're looking at a plane flying away from the camera position.

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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:10 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
You're looking at the plane from the back, hence you don't see the landing lights

Given the caption of this fantastic photo, I've to agree with you 100%  Wink
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:51 pm

OV735: Hey I was right too damnit haha
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting Agill (Reply 10):
OV735: Hey I was right too damnit haha

Sorry about that.

Yes, Agill was right too.  Silly

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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:24 pm

Sometimes we just forget to put them on.
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
I thought that landing lights was required to be on when below 10,000 feet whether you're climbing or descending.. not totally sure though

Checking my new FAR/AIM 2006 book..According to AIM 4-3-23 "Use Of Aircraft Lights" (C)...The FAA has a voluntary pilot safety program, Operation Lights On, to enhance the see-and-avoid concept. Pilots are encouraged to turn on their landing lights during Takeoff. Pilots are further encouraged to turn on their landing lights when operating below 10,000 ft day or night esp. when operating within 10 miles of any airport, or in conditions of reduced visibility and area's where flocks of birds may be except.
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Agill (Reply 1):
It's taking off isn't it?

That's why in the photo description it says that the CO B737-700 is approaching the runway!  conehead 
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spotterke
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 14):



Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 14):
That's why in the photo description it says that the CO B737-700 is approaching the runway!

Yes and it's that plane i meant.That is surely not taking off and that's why i asked this question.When a plane is landing they must have their lights on i think.
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 13):

Checking my new FAR/AIM 2006 book..According to AIM 4-3-23 "Use Of Aircraft Lights" (C)...The FAA has a voluntary pilot safety program, Operation Lights On, to enhance the see-and-avoid concept. Pilots are encouraged to turn on their landing lights during Takeoff. Pilots are further encouraged to turn on their landing lights when operating below 10,000 ft day or night esp. when operating within 10 miles of any airport, or in conditions of reduced visibility and area's where flocks of birds may be except.

ah okay! thanks! I dont remember where I heard it from..
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
You can't see them because the plane is flying away from you.

Ding Ding Ding... We have a winner!

The brake lights havn't come on yet haha  Wink
 
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RE: Why No (landing)lights?

Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:33 am


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