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Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:50 am

Hello!

I've just seen following pic

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and asked me Why the hell are there so many NW planes in their new color scheme stored in the desert.

Any hints???

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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:52 am

Because they're in bankruptcy??

Does anyone know how many a/c they actually took out of service due to their schedule cutbacks?
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:53 am

Lease rejections.

I was surprised to see a UA 744 there,usually UA goes to VCV .

I see the Ghana DC-10's are still there. I wonder if they killed all the roaches in them?
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:54 am

I think those are some of the aircraft returned to the lessor as a result of the BK proceedings. On the far left you see a gaggle of Avros, those were a part of it as well. Damn, that place sure is NW heaven.

Seems like every boneyard has one predominant customer...in Marana, it's NW. Victorville, it's DL. Mojave, alotta US.

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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:56 am

The new NW colors have nothing to do with the leasing contract of this aircraft. As I know NW has give back ten A319 to the lessor - some of this planes wear the new silver colors.
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:00 am

JMO-777, you beat me to it!!

I knew it had to be leased aircraft - that would explain the 747-400 in United colors. If United could get a favorable deal from the lessor, they'd snatch it up in a heartbeat - but if it's in storage, it's gotta be a lease they can't afford.

It is sad to see the new NWA colors in storage - "it's not an encouraging picture" was my first thought. I do hope for all the involved parties sake that NWA can emerge from bankruptcy soon.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:32 am

The 3 b747-400 are popular for cargo conversions. I heard UA has taken out an additional 6 747-400. Resale value is good at this moment.

The A320 will find a new live pretty soon, hopefully the 757 too, although I think they have been here some longer.

The large numbers of 747-200, DC10´s. 146 and DC9 show NWA is shrinking dramatically & getting rid of less fuel / maintenance efficient aircraft..

Prices for spare parts, engines and leasing rates for those aircraft types are tumbling & will probably lead to entrepeneurs jumping in & give it a go...
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:04 am

great pic! Sam's in his element! Nice work , sam!  thumbsup 

Does anyone know what that all white 744 is doing there, next to the ex-PIA 742?

Is it one of those ex-SQ 744s waiting for a new life?


I'm quite sure all those NW DC9's are going to the melting pot, unless NW brings 'em back on line.  frown 

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The large numbers of 747-200, DC10´s. 146 and DC9 show NWA is shrinking dramatically & getting rid of less fuel / maintenance efficient aircraft..

Won't anyone covert those DC-10s to cargo? I thought there was a great demand for cargo DC-10s?
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The 3 b747-400 are popular for cargo conversions. I heard UA has taken out an additional 6 747-400. Resale value is good at this moment.

Not with those engines on them. GE or RR are fine but the PW4056s command a much lower price. Maybe SQ would take it as a freighter conversion.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 7):
Won't anyone covert those DC-10s to cargo? I thought there was a great demand for cargo DC-10s?

Those days are gone, however the MD-11 is still very popular for cargo conversions.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 7):
Does anyone know what that all white 744 is doing there, next to the ex-PIA 742?

Is it one of those ex-SQ 744s waiting for a new life?

Could be an ex-SQ that went to CX and has now been parked, alternatively it could be an ex-SQ and it was parked by them. The ex Malaysian 747-400 further up is interesting also. I think that's a PW too.

I checked the Jetphotos.net jetliner database and found 21 747-400s listed as stored. Some of them are ones like the AUE government and hence are still operational, but many are ex-airline examples. A few United, a few Singapore Airlines, many are listed as being owned by the Boeing Holding Company.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:43 am

Keep in mind this picture was taken on 12/21. I think there has been a change in status of some of the NW a/c in the picture. As leases are renegotiated, they leave the desert (757,7474,319/320) to return to service. And conversely, I guess other a/c may replace them.

I am confident an NW expert can give us the details!
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:51 am

If I had enough money, I wouldn't mind picking up one of those ex NW 742s and refurbish it into a VIP interior for personal use..... Big grin
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 12):

I second that. Especially for an office particularly for aircraft window photography / video taping.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 8):
GE or RR are fine but the PW4056s command a much lower price

DC10s with RR?

What you said is true for all GE-powered applications, but PW-powered 747 and 767 aircraft command higher prices than similar aircraft powered by RR.
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:32 pm

They're aircraft NW has rejected the leases on, they send them out just before their next required major MX check while they renegotiate the lease on them. DL is doing the same thing.

Basically if they cannot renegotiate the lease then they do not perform the required MX check on the aircraft and give it back to the lessor (therefore throwing the high cost of the check onto the lessor).

Once they've renegotiated the leases they perform the required MX check and put the bird back into service.

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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:36 pm

Some of those ex-NW DC10 & 742 have a ton of hours and cycles and not worthwhile frames for cargo conversions. Bedek is finished with 742 conversions and with 744 conversions coming on line 747 classic conversions will soon be history.
The all white 744 next to the ex-PK is probably an ex-MH, CA, or AC.

I am kind of surprised to see 9 NW 757s & 12 A320/319. Are they back is service?
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:26 pm

What's up with that ANA bird? Is that a 747-SR? Shame to see all of those 747 classics of NWA...loved to fly on those rusty hogs.

Oh, and for those of you who are wondering about the fate of NWA's DC9's, just peer into the photo a bit.

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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:47 pm

I live just up the road from the main gate, and can hear these mudders running up and down all the time. I had a chance to see one old Philippine 742 leave a few months ago. I wonder what happened to the others? I used to fly PAL all the time when they had skybeds to sleep in. This place has a NG training center for choppers, as well as a federal law academy for sky marshals, SO getting inside the gate ain't happening. Some recent rumors were that the planes from the Congo were infested with rats and bugs, and would be pulled off, wrapped and gassed before the cutters got to them. I have a friend with a spraying business and sometimes get to make a low pass over these planes, my heart breaks to recall all the times I have flown on these very same jumbos. Live for today, life is a hard lesson. Time is to us as it is to these grand old queens pf the sky. Someday we will be grounded and loose the glory of flight! I wish you could see the trucks going to I-10 with parts of these planes enroute to the smelter all the time... What a shame.
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting AvFan4ever (Reply 14):
DC10s with RR?

What you said is true for all GE-powered applications, but PW-powered 747 and 767 aircraft command higher prices than similar aircraft powered by RR.

If you read my post properly, you'd see that I quoted Keesje's comment about the B744s, here it is again.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The 3 b747-400 are popular for cargo conversions. I heard UA has taken out an additional 6 747-400. Resale value is good at this moment.

While you are correct about PW powered 767s being worth more than RR ones, you are way off on the B744 front. PW powered 744s are about as popular on the used market as anthrax is with small children. There is a much greater demand for used RR and GE B747s for cargo conversions. SQ would be about the only operator actively looking for used PW 747s.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:19 am

I flew from TYS (Knoxville) to MSP on Thursday and I found it strange that there were seven NW CRJs parked on the tarmac. Why would NW park planes there?
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:41 am

For the record I counted 2 ex-US Airways planes in Mojave last week.
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Xstro (Reply 20):
I flew from TYS (Knoxville) to MSP on Thursday and I found it strange that there were seven NW CRJs parked on the tarmac. Why would NW park planes there?

First, they are 9E CRJ's not NW's. And secondly, parked where? TYS or MSP? Cause if it was MSP, thats one of their hubs. They can park them where ever they want.  Wink

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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting Xstro (Reply 20):
I flew from TYS (Knoxville) to MSP on Thursday and I found it strange that there were seven NW CRJs parked on the tarmac. Why would NW park planes there?

There is an NW CRJ repair facility here in TYS. So, this might have been the reason you saw so many of them CRJs here...

When taking off southbound you can see the repair facility on the port side.

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KNOXVILLE, TENN. -- (Sept. 26, 2002) -- Northwest Airlines and its Northwest Airlink affiliate, Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. today are celebrating the opening of a new 55,000 square foot Canadair Regional Jet (CRJ) Maintenance Repair and Overhaul facility, which includes offices and shops. This is the primary maintenance facility for Northwest’s growing fleet of regional jets and is the first tenant in McGhee Tyson Airport’s West Development Area.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting Xjramper (Reply 22):



Quoting Xjramper (Reply 22):
First, they are 9E CRJ's not NW's. And secondly, parked where? TYS or MSP? Cause if it was MSP, thats one of their hubs. They can park them where ever they want.

They are in Knoxville. I should have been more specific.

I was assuming that they were flown by either Mesaba or Pinnacle. I was completely unaware that 9E flies plane under the NW colors.
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:25 am

I would love to see the leases be alot lower and those birds flying again. Mainly the 757's. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Xstro (Reply 24):
They are in Knoxville. I should have been more specific.

I was assuming that they were flown by either Mesaba or Pinnacle. I was completely unaware that 9E flies plane under the NW colors

I made mention of this in site related, but 9E is actually Pinnacle. Im guessing that you thought that "Express Airlines I" is Express Jet. Express Airlines (9E) changed their name a lil while ago to Pinnacle. Express Jet still flies for CO.

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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 21):
For the record I counted 2 ex-US Airways planes in Mojave last week.

Ahh it's been awhile then...I was there back in 02, all you could see was ex-US F100's, MD80's, 733/734's, and alot of MetroJet 732's.

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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 19):
PW powered 744s are about as popular on the used market as anthrax is with small children.

RR & GE powered 744 have a better resale value, however PW powered versions find their way. Corsair bought a few and some of the new UA batch are already sold.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting JMO-777 (Thread starter):
Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

The new silver c/s oxidizes less than old red c/s does with the desert sun beating down on it. It's a business decision that only a company in dire straits would make.
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RE: Why So Many New Colored NW Planes In Desert

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 28):
RR & GE powered 744 have a better resale value, however PW powered versions find their way. Corsair bought a few and some of the new UA batch are already sold.

Very true sir, I just added a bit of sarcasm for AvFan4ever's benefit.
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