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Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:00 am

As good a workhorse the 767 has been on transatlantic routes, many are begining to look very worn and tired. Particularly those old Air Canada 762s and Delta 763s.

Delta seem determined to expand their transatlantic routes to Europe but all they have available is those 763s which are getting a bit long in the tooth. If Delta is serious about further expansion in Europe, why dont they get a few more 777s for busy routes or even bring back some MD11s (please, proper long haul jets) maybe even order some 787s for future years. Whatever, their present 763 fleet is inadequate for their expansion plans, in my opinion.

Contrast some of the older 767s with those gorgeous 762s of CO which are all new and clean. I would love to see Delta maybe order some new build 762s as CO did. They would be good for thinner European launch routes too.
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Delta seem determined to expand their transatlantic routes to Europe but all they have available is those 763s which are getting a bit long in the tooth. If Delta is serious about further expansion in Europe, why dont they get a few more 777s for busy routes or even bring back some MD11s (please, proper long haul jets) maybe even order some 787s for future years. Whatever, their present 763 fleet is inadequate for their expansion plans, in my opinion.

The problem is that DL does not have any money, so the 767 is their only option for long haul expansion  Smile


Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Whatever, their present 763 fleet is inadequate for their expansion plans, in my opinion.

I disagree, the 763 seems to be perfect for expansion projects such as JFK-MAN and JFK-TXL  Smile

DL is choosing to bring the 764's into transatlantic operation, personaly a plan long overdue  Smile

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Contrast some of the older 767s with those gorgeous 762s of CO which are all new and clean. I would love to see Delta maybe order some new build 762s as CO did. They would be good for thinner European launch routes too.

DL are getting rid of their 767-200's, plus DL don't have the money for new 767's. If they did I think they would choose the 787 over the 767!

At the end of the day, the 767's are doing the job fine... Don't fix it if it aint broke  Wink

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:11 am

You may have noticed that DL is not exactly flush with cash these days. They've had to defer the remainder of their 777 order. On the other hand, ther 764s being converted to international are only a couple years old, and it's been said that people should expect a new long-haul order when DL announces its exit from bankruptcy - some combination of 787 and 772LR.

Until then, I think that if the update of BizE is done properly, there's nothing wrong with the 763ER. They're not exactly ancient.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:14 am

Lucky delta passengers you have 2 aisles!!
CO passengers have one
So which would you prefer to fly Transatlantic on
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:15 am

The 764 moving to transatlantic routes is a good option, yes. They are younger and cleaner than DLs 763s for sure!

On the one hand though we hear DL is desperatley short of money and then they employ some top designer to create a new 'high fashion' crew uniform.

Are Air Canada still using the 762s on transatlantic? they must be coming up to 25 years old!
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
As good a workhorse the 767 has been on transatlantic routes, many are begining to look very worn and tired. Particularly those old Air Canada 762s and Delta 763s.

Hang in there!! For the handful of AC 762's that will remain, complete interior refurbishments begin in approximately 2 months, complete with AVOD.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
If Delta is serious about further expansion in Europe, why dont they get a few more 777s for busy routes or even bring back some MD11s (please, proper long haul jets)

Hahah, you're funny!

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Whatever, their present 763 fleet is inadequate for their expansion plans, in my opinion.

Well, your opinion would be wrong.

The 764's aren't good enuff for you?

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
On the one hand though we hear DL is desperatley short of money and then they employ some top designer to create a new 'high fashion' crew uniform.

UGH! Christ almighty, when are some of you going to get it thru you're heads! The money was paid to the designer YEARS ago, FA's pay for their own uniforms, and this doesn't cost much more when you have to re supply the uniforms anyway!

You people whine about Delta's "inferior" product, then whine when they try to improve it! You have absolutely no clue how the industry works!


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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:19 am

Look at CO. They prefer the 767 to the 777 for most European routes. The 767 is much lighter than the 777 and burns much less fuel. They are also cheaper in ownership costs.

Maybe the A332 is better than a B763, but it's also more expensive. The 777 is in a another size class entirely, with yet higher costs.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:27 am

As B742 said "The problem is that DL does not have any money, so the 767 is their only option for long haul expansion" and now they have horrendous uniforms starting May 1st... I prefer a worn out 763 with 10 ladies dressed in orange than 14 on a 777 due to "visual contamination:, especially in those Business Elite Cabins: Blue seats, grey and blue walls, orange uniforms...

On the other hand, the US carriers' perfect workhorses are the 762, not even the 763, as there is not much of a demand from the US to smaller cities in Europe... That's why CO is making tons of money, flying the 757 to smaller cities, 762 to medium cities and a combination of 764 and 777 to the most important European Hubs, something that I consider "The Prefect Fleet Mix for the European Routes..." but they were smart to see this and reopen the assembly line for the 762 years ago with a lot of success...

Lets see how airlines are going to do with the new A350 and B787, those planes might help the supply and demand problem to smaller european cities and other smaller cities in Asia...
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:30 am

Im popping over the pond with a Valium for my friend NonRevKing. Think of your blood pressure!
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:32 am

I think USAIRWAYS uses some of the older 762's on many PHL-European routes. They are painting the exterior, but so far no word on the inside.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 8):
Lets see how airlines are going to do with the new A350 and B787, those planes might help the supply and demand problem to smaller european cities and other smaller cities in Asia...

Those aircraft are larger than the 762. The A350 isn't even in the 763 class.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 6):
FA's pay for their own uniforms

are you serious ???
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 8):
[CO] were smart to see this and reopen the assembly line for the 762 years ago with a lot of success...

There was hardly any re-opening to do, given that all 767s are built effectively interchangeably on one production line...

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Whatever, their present 763 fleet is inadequate for their expansion plans, in my opinion.

Evidence?

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
They would be good for thinner European launch routes too.

Evidence?

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Delta seem determined to expand their transatlantic routes to Europe but all they have available is those 763s which are getting a bit long in the tooth

Orion, as mentioned above, they don't have anything else!

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
or even bring back some MD11s (please, proper long haul jets)

There is a reason that they retired their MD11s, look it up. It is not remotely feasible for them to bring them back.

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
why dont they get a few more 777s



Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
maybe even order some 787s for future years

Money, money, money. They don't have any.  Wink

Orion, did you apply any thought to your post?
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):

are you serious ???

Of course they do. Most airlines (not sure about Delta) give a few credits a year and then the rest are bought with cash. Everyone else buys their work clothes, right?

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
on transatlantic routes, many are begining to look very worn and tired. Particularly those old Air Canada 762s

I'm not aware of any AC transatlntic service on 762s. They only use A340s, A330s and 763s over the pond.

Just ran a random check on a few AC 762s on www.acarsd.org: yep, they're only used on YYZ-YUL runs and holiday trips to Florida and the Carribean.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:59 am

Glasgow used to always be 762 for Air Canada, always.
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 15):
Of course they do. Most airlines (not sure about Delta) give a few credits a year and then the rest are bought with cash. Everyone else buys their work clothes, right?

true .... I guess I never thought about it that way ( or more accurately , I never thought about it at all )
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 16):
I'm not aware of any AC transatlntic service on 762s. They only use A340s, A330s and 763s over the pond.

AC operates the 762 during summer to MAN and GLA from YYZ  Smile


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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
If Delta is serious about further expansion in Europe, why dont they get a few more 777s for busy routes or even bring back some MD11s (please, proper long haul jets)

The 76ER IS a proper longhaul jet. It's the backbone of DL's T/O fleet, and it does the job reliably, and still has many years left in them. Why replace something that's working just fine for them?

I do like how the -400's are being moved Intl too, should have been done a long time ago.

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
Is AC serving GLA this summer?

nope ...after more than 50 years the service is canned
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):

nope ...after more than 50 years the service is canned

What a real shame, is this due to poor loads or due to Air Transat at GLA?

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 22):
What a real shame, is this due to poor loads or due to Air Transat at GLA?

I think poor yields rather than loads ... but competition has a lot to do with it too ... I think that there is another Canadian airline flying to GLA as well as Air Transat
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:08 am

Zoom they chased AC awaaay, ah zoom lalalalala
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 16):
I'm not aware of any AC transatlntic service on 762s. They only use A340s, A330s and 763s over the pond.

Yes, they still do, especially in the summer. This summer, for example, AC will be using the 762 on the following routes:

YYZ-DUB-SNN (AC894)
YYZ-CDG (AC882)
YYZ-LHR (AC862)
YYZ-MAN (AC840)
YYZ-AMS (AC816)
YUL-CDG (AC884)

From YYZ, they will also be flying to BOG and LIM, as well as select flights to YVR and YUL. From YUL, they will also fly to PAP, YVR and YYZ. Finally, from YVR, they will fly to HNL (3x week) and to YUL and YYZ.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew :
I think that there is another Canadian airline flying to GLA as well as Air Transat

You are correct Z6, known as Zoom Airways. There owned by a Scotsmen.
Edit: Orion beat me to it.

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
AC operates the 762 during summer to MAN and GLA from YYZ

GLA is history (for the time being) due to poor yields.

The 762 is also used to DUB/SNN/AMS & the odd summer tourist flight to CDG/LHR. It will also fly to LIM & BOG through the summer.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
AC operates the 762 during summer to MAN and GLA from YYZ



Quoting Matt (Reply 25):
Yes, they still do, especially in the summer

Thank you, gentlemen. I stand corrected.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting Matt (Reply 25):
From YYZ, they will also be flying to BOG and LIM, as well as select flights to YVR and YUL. From YUL, they will also fly to PAP, YVR and YYZ. Finally, from YVR, they will fly to HNL (3x week) and to YUL and YYZ.

And I believe they're flying every now and then 762s to SJO from YYZ, while TS has restarted seasonal service from YUL (and YYZ, but I'm not sure) with A310s. I know I've seen recently a handful of AC 762s here at SJO, on the way back as AC999.
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
are you serious ???

Yeah. I know a girl that just got a job as a flight attendant for CO. Training is 4.5 weeks, non-paid. At the end of it, if you make it, you get to shell out $1200 for uniforms!

I'm taking AA #92, ORD-DUB in May. Currently scheduled for 763 metal. Any chance of a 772 upgrade?  bouncy 
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Delta seem determined to expand their transatlantic routes to Europe but all they have available is those 763s which are getting a bit long in the tooth.

"All they have available is (sic) those 763's". That's all most airlines have available. Would you rather they put the 757's on trans-Atlantic? They only have 7 or 8 777's, and their being used for NRT and TLV (when it opend in the spring). And furthermore, define "long in the tooth". In years? Maybe. The first ER was delivered in 1990 I believe but they were gtting them as recently as 1999-2000. In cycles? Hardly. Int'l aircraft, by virtue of the fact they fly 1-2 cycles a day are usually the ones in the best shape in the fleet. Finally the BusinessElite product is being upgraded and updated with new interiors, and I believe the coach cabins are getting redone too (someone can clarify that for us).

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Whatever, their present 763 fleet is inadequate for their expansion plans, in my opinion.

Why is it inadequate? You started this thread, but refuse to defend your assertions.
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 3):
Lucky delta passengers you have 2 aisles!!
CO passengers have one
So which would you prefer to fly Transatlantic on

Co 757s are quite comfortable with excellent cabin service. Personaly, twin or wingle aisle makes no difference to me.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 15):
Everyone else buys their work clothes, right?

You're kidding. I have picked up 2 full sets of the new NZ uniform for free. Value is probably a minimum of $2000 a set - it's a major designer label here (Zambesi), the last uniform was also supplied 2 sets at $1500 ea. As it's a mandatory requirement for work I see no reason why I should have to pay for it - especially when I have to hand everything back when there is a uniform change or if I decide to leave.

As for tired 763s, it's a sign of the increasing age of the aircraft, and years since the last refit. All the 763s that are regulars into AKL look tired onboard NZ/QF/FJ/BI included. It's a nice config that is popular with the passengers, but they look a little shabby these days for most carriers.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting GARPD (Reply 32):
Co 757s are quite comfortable with excellent cabin service. Personaly, twin or wingle aisle makes no difference to me.

757: 33% aisle seats, 33% window seats, 33% middle seats
767: 57% aisle seats, 29% window seats. 14% middle seats

Although it might not make any difference to you, these ratios matter to lots of people, because very few people request middle seats.

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 33):
As for tired 763s, it's a sign of the increasing age of the aircraft, and years since the last refit. All the 763s that are regulars into AKL look tired onboard NZ/QF/FJ/BI included. It's a nice config that is popular with the passengers, but they look a little shabby these days for most carriers.

Replacing the seat covers and cleaning or replacing the carpets is all that it would really take to keep these 20-25 year old 767-200s looking their best. The fact that airlines are letting this slip is simply a matter of cutting corners.

A week ago I was on an AC B767-200 which is 23 years old, but the aisle carpets and seat covers were like new inside. Lavs were spotless. In fact there was nothing wrong with it, unless you are a PTV-demanding ADD pax.



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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:01 pm

From what i've read on here US's 762 are pretty ratty  silly 

Quoting Matt (Reply 25):
From YYZ, they will also be flying to BOG and LIM, as well as select flights to YVR and YUL. From YUL, they will also fly to PAP, YVR and YYZ. Finally, from YVR, they will fly to HNL (3x week) and to YUL and YYZ.

There still is the YUL-PAP Sat. flight?
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:27 pm

Check out the interior of a 767s produced after 2002, they have the feel of the 777 (albeit a little thinner). Although I have never crossed the Atlantic on a 763, I have on numerous occasions rode in a 763, short as less than one hour to as long as 11 hour between AKL-KIX.

However, the care of the interior is decidedly an airline's choice. Most US airlines are, how we say, not the best of financial shape, so some things are left as is. Therefore, interiors are starting to show their age as many previous posters have noted.
There are almost 20-year old 763s flying with NH & JL here and they don't show their age especially the NH's ones with new seats/interior.
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:17 pm

Well, when you consider that a few years back NW made those DC-9s like like 717s inside and most pax had no idea they weren't on a new jet, or that SAS MD-80s look new etc... I see no reason why the 763 can't get the same treatment. Boeing have released a overhead bin kit (I think LAN use it)... so if somebody stuck new sidewall panels, and new bins and lavs in, im sure the 763 would still have a lot of passenger appeal.

I think the big problem with the 763 is the CASM. This is all about returns ppl. At the current price level (and lets face it, what people really want is price), the 763 is expensive to operate. (meaning the return on each seat...or margin if you like) What transatlantic really needs is reduced frequencies and larger aircraft. Instead of 2x 763, one 744. The 744 is more than 20% cheaper per seat. Yes, if you can't fill it you make a loss due to total cost being a lot higher. Regardless, this is where I see the problem with the 763. If they were dressed up a bit for pax appeal, they'd be fine as far as that is concerned.
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
On the one hand though we hear DL is desperatley short of money and then they employ some top designer to create a new 'high fashion' crew uniform.

Another great statement from you which you obviously haven't bothered to research. As already said they paid for them ages ago.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
Im popping over the pond with a Valium for my friend NonRevKing. Think of your blood pressure!

I think we should put you on a DL 763, just for fun!

Quoting Gofly (Reply 14):
Orion, did you apply any thought to your post?

No, as usual.

Does anyone know what the 777 destinations will be this Summer for DL?

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 38):
or that SAS MD-80s look new

Well, they actually look very crappy, quite a bit worse than some Maddogs that AA has (especially the ex-TW ones). I flew LN-RMH about a year ago, and it looked very worn.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 35):
There still is the YUL-PAP Sat. flight?

Yes, read the message and you'll see that it's there.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 29):
And I believe they're flying every now and then 762s to SJO from YYZ

The list I posted was for summer flights (2006). At the moment (winter season), AC's 762 are flying to a whole bunch of other destinations, none of which are transatlantic. On the schedule currently are the following.

From YYZ to YUL, YOW, YVR, BGI, MEX, UVF, MIA, CUN, MBJ and SJO.
From YUL to YYZ, YVR, PAP and FLL.
From YVR to YUL,YYZ, VRA, KOA, OGG, PUJ, and HNL.
From YYC to MBJ and PUJ.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 8):
prefer a worn out 763 with 10 ladies dressed in orange than 14 on a 777 due to "visual contamination:, especially in those Business Elite Cabins: Blue seats, grey and blue walls, orange uniforms...

I think I speak for most people on here when I say...Huh?

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
Im popping over the pond with a Valium for my friend NonRevKing. Think of your blood pressure!

I'll trade you for a bucket load of common sense. I have plenty...You need some.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
are you serious ???

Yea, most carriers in the US at least split the cost on the uni's.

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 31):
Finally the BusinessElite product is being upgraded and updated with new interiors, and I believe the coach cabins are getting redone too (someone can clarify that for us).

You are correct. The coach cabins are well on their way now actually. I don't believe BizE has been started. Look for those on the new int'l config 764's.

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 36):
Newsflash, planes don't get tired. What the hell is the point of this thread?

To give the uninformed a chance to take a piss on Delta, like every other post does.

Quoting A340600 (Reply 39):
Does anyone know what the 777 destinations will be this Summer for DL?

NRT, TLV and CDG for sure. Everything else is a guess...Maybe FRA and MXP.

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 34):
757: 33% aisle seats, 33% window seats, 33% middle seats
767: 57% aisle seats, 29% window seats. 14% middle seats

Although it might not make any difference to you, these ratios matter to lots of people, because very few people request middle seats.

Thats as maybe. The thing that I look for is comfort and service plus a good view out of the window.

If a flight has all 3 of these, I will enjoy it.

Continental and their 757s over the atlantic do just that  Smile
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TomFoolery
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:25 am

I have been on DL 763 and although a bit dated, it was at least in good working order (as far as the passenger service units) and the IFE worked, and the lavs were in acceptable condition. I have flown US on their 762 and found the IFE spotty, the reading light not working, and the lavs to be about as inviting as a third world out house. on TWA and US, I have seen where repairs have been hastily prepared, and although leagle, very unsitely. TW (toward the end) had some very undesirable 762's running some of the routes.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 34):
A week ago I was on an AC B767-200 which is 23 years old, but the aisle carpets and seat covers were like new inside. Lavs were spotless. In fact there was nothing wrong with it, unless you are a PTV-demanding ADD pax.

I dont see the relation between enjoying PTV and beig ADD. PTV, AVOD, XM are forms of entertainment and If it is important to be entertained on a 14 hour flight then so be it. It is an option take it if you want it, leave it if you dont. It makes a noticable difference when there isa flight full of younger members of society as they are less fidgety and much quieter. Unfortunately most parents of the world are prepared to equip everyone onboard with a multimedia enabled laptop with the latest downloaded feature entertainment. If you are so fortunate enough to have you own laptop, enjoy it. But dont denounce people just because they prefer the fruits of modern technology at 35,000 feet.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 15):
Of course they do. Most airlines (not sure about Delta) give a few credits a year and then the rest are bought with cash. Everyone else buys their work clothes, right?



Quoting FXramper (Reply 30):
Yeah. I know a girl that just got a job as a flight attendant for CO. Training is 4.5 weeks, non-paid. At the end of it, if you make it, you get to shell out $1200 for uniforms!

I'm indeed surprised. Talking first-hand, I can tell you FX does not sell the uniforms (nor any part of any kind of work equipment) to its employees... Including industrial shoes. Same goes for MX and AM - f/a's in MX get around five full attires per year (including shoes), plus three aprons for the ladies. (Well, these companies still offer courtesy bar and hot dinners throughout the cabin)... I guess the uniforms thing is standard in Mexican aviation... Even newly-launched LCC's Interjet and Volaris provide uniforms to their f/a's...

Quoting GARPD (Reply 32):
Co 757s are quite comfortable with excellent cabin service.Personaly, twin or wingle aisle makes no difference to me.

Weird. On a B767, six out of every 7 coach seats are either a window or an aisle. All windows are only one seat away from the aisle. I find either seat acceptable; this is, 6/7 coach seats would be reasonably comfy...

On a B757, all coach window seats are two seats away from the aisle, there are double the number of middle seats, and thus sitting in the aisle is a pain due to all the traffic up and down the aisle and in and out of the row - which is doubled when compared to the B767. On a B757 only 1/3 of the seats are aisle seats... Window seats are isolated... And IMHO all of this makes the B757 a very uncomfortable plane for a long-haul flight... I can't stand more than five-six hours on a single-aisle craft.
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:04 am

I had my first flight on a 767 from LHR-IAD about a year ago with UA and although I loved the 2-3-2 (and E+), I was shocked by the state of the aircraft. It looked so tired and worn out. The same goes for a UA 777 that I took from JFK-LHR recently. There was black duct tape holding panels down in the toilets !

In fairness, I've been spoilt with VS as of late. Had the pleasure of riding on lots of brand new A346s. So new, you could smell it  Smile Heck, even VS's old A340s and 744s are still in better shape than the UA 767 I was on.

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dptMAN
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:12 am

How about BA's MAN>JFK B767.

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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:45 am

BA has a daily 767 service from Manchester to JFK, and they only use one 767 for that route on a daily basis. I would think that old bird is tired...
 
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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:49 am

I"m glad to announce that the winner of this worn and tired B767 contest is OO-TUC, TUI Belgium's sole workhorse for long-haul destinations  Smile:


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RE: Tired Transatlantic 767s

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 30):
I'm taking AA #92, ORD-DUB in May. Currently scheduled for 763 metal. Any chance of a 772 upgrade?

No chance whatsoever. American made the decision in 2003 to use the 777s exclusively on LHR/LGW routes where a larger 3-class aircraft is warranted, and to use 2-class 763s on all other transatlantic routes. The only exception is DFW-FRA, which is still operated by a 772, due to exceptionally high yields, though there has been some talk of a downgrade to a 763 if AA gets more Asian route authorities.

I wish we had 772s on more European routes. I particularly miss it on JFK-CDG, when it was used on the route from May 2001 to March 2003. It's much more comfortable and passenger and crew friendly than the 763.

Hopefully the 763 refurbishment AA is planning this year will improve things for us working on it. The 49 "Classic" 763s delivered between 1988-1999 will have the same interiors as the 9 new ones delivered in 2003, plus all of them will have beds in Business Class and digital video systems. Still no PTVs in Coach, but a much-needed improvement that's long overdue.

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