kl5147
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What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:48 am

Sorry if this item has been discussed before, but I couldn't find a previous thread.


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Why is PH-BUH a problemchild? Of course .... the a/c is aged (1975) but PH-MCE (1986), PH-MCF (1988) and PH-MCN (1991) aren't that young either.
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:55 am

She's an old girl...KLM put a lot of cylces on her pre-2003, I'm not sure why she's not resting comfortably in some nice desert. Perhaps she had a long lay-up earlier in her career.
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 1):
Perhaps she had a long lay-up earlier in her career

As far as I know she never had a "time-out"
PH-BUH was delivered at the end of 1975 to KLM
She got a SUD conversion somewhere in 1985/1986
In 1998 she was converted into a SF (special freighter) All these modifications were made while she still was in KLM service.
In may 2003 she went to Martinair
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:21 am

the 744 will be delivered to MP later this year so all these old dames will be laid to rest
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:12 pm

PH-BUH is kind of an oddball for MP and their cargo fleet, mostly for being a SUD and having lots of cycles on her when she was in PAX service with KL, making her a maintenance hog due to age and high cycles. I recall some of the 747s at MP were originally delivered as 747-21AC aircraft, or quick change aircraft that can be converted from Freighter into PAX configuration though according to MP, none of their 747 has flown on PAX flights since 2003 or so. Though they also have a handful of ex AF 742Fs.
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting KL5147 (Thread starter):
Of course .... the a/c is aged (1975) but PH-MCE (1986), PH-MCF (1988) and PH-MCN (1991) aren't that young either.

That would make PH-BUH a LOT older than the others, wouldn't it?  Wink
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting KL5147 (Thread starter):
Why is PH-BUH a problemchild? Of course .... the a/c is aged (1975) but PH-MCE (1986), PH-MCF (1988) and PH-MCN (1991) aren't that young either

You're answered the question right there. 1975 vs. the second-youngest being from 1986 is 11 years difference. 11 years in nonstop pax service is a lot of cycles....

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BTW just wondering. I've heard more examples of -200 Special Freighters having a lot of maintenance issues. Is that because they weren't initially designed as freighters?
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
they also have a handful of ex AF 742Fs

Martinair only operate one 742F registered PH-MCN. The aircraft was originally ordered by Air France but delivered new directly to Martinair from Boeing in October 1991. The other two 742s - PH-MCE and PH-MCF - were delivered new from Boeing in 1987 and 1988 respectively and are the convertible version (747-200C) that can be changed for passenger to cargo version according to demand. All 3 'original' Martinair 742s are therefore between 12 and 16 years younger than PH-BUH. BTW it seem that Martinair actually bough PH-BUH from the leasing compagny during the last year. In the 2004/2005 JP Airline Fleets the aircraft is listed as leased. However in the 2005/2006 JP the aircraft is no longer listed as leased. Seems strange to use some money on a 'problem child'?!
 
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RE: What Is Wrong With Martinair's PH-BUH?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting TR (Reply 7):
Seems strange to use some money on a 'problem child'?!

It seems Martinair got a good deal on it. I don't think it was ever leased though. KLM sold it to Martinair for a low price (KLM owns part of Martinair) instead of selling it to Southern Air, who bought the PH-BUI. Southern Air would have parted out PH-BUH. Looks like Southern Air will still get it anyway soon when Martinair gets rid of PH-BUH.
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