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Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:13 am

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The service is likely to start by February 2007. Air-India may launch a non-stop service to the US in early 2007, when the national carrier takes delivery of its first 3 B777-200LR aircraft from Boeing Company.

“The service is likely to start by February 2007. Air-India is exploring the option of starting non-stop service from New Delhi or Mumbai to New York or Chicago,” a source said. Air-India is acquiring 8 777-200LR Worldliners as part of its proposed acquisition of 68 aircraft from Boeing for an estimated $8.1 billion.

The planes are scheduled for delivery beginning November 2006. Currently, Air-India is operating 28 flights a week to Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Newyark connecting via European destinations including London, Frankfurt and Paris.

“The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US passengers, though they are not stopping in London. Passengers will prefer non-stop flights,” an industry analyst said. The non-stop service India-US is seeing over 80 per cent load factor and will be a boon to Air-India, they observed.

Currently, Continental Airlines and American Airlines are operating seven flights a week each with 777-200 ER aircraft. The world’s largest airline firm American Airlines is operating its daily transatlantic flight non-stop between New Delhi and Chicago, while Continental Airlines is operating daily non-stop between New Delhi and New York.

Sources in Air-India said the airline is in the process of finalising the route details, however, it would continue with existing stop-over services.The deployment of 777-200LR would offer Air-India operational cost savings and the flexibility to serve new, ultra long range non-stop routes.

Air-India’s order of 68 aircraft comprise 23 777s including 8 777-200LR Worldliners and 15 777-300ERs and 27 787-8 Dreamliners. Air-India Express, a wholly owned subsidiary of Air-India, will receive 18 next generation 737-800s.
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:15 am

Are the 744's not capable of doing the non-stop flights that the 772LR will do? I thought that the 744 has tremendous range, but maybe the 772LR is better suited capacity wise?
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I thought that the 744 has tremendous range

It once was the longest ranged commercial aircraft in service... but the A342X, A343X/E, A345, A346, 772ER, 773ER, and soon 772LR all offer more range than does the 744 today.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:27 am

I would have liked to see SFO-BLR instead, but BOM is a better choice than DEL if they have only three 772LRs delivered in 2007. As per the article, AA and CO flights have a load factor of over 80% to DEL. Why not use 773ER for JFK/ORD-DEL instead of 772LR. I assume they will be receiving a few 773ER in 2007. Does any one know the delivery schedule?
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
I assume they will be receiving a few 773ER in 2007. Does any one know the delivery schedule?

16 aircrafts by 2007,
10 737-800,
03 777-200LR
03 777-300 ER
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:55 am

How about opening routes to southern cities like Bangalore.

AI seems to be obsessed with Delhi and Bombay  Sad
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
I would have liked to see SFO-BLR instead, but BOM is a better choice than DEL if they have only three 772LRs delivered in 2007. As per the article, AA and CO flights have a load factor of over 80% to DEL. Why not use 773ER for JFK/ORD-DEL instead of 772LR. I assume they will be receiving a few 773ER in 2007. Does any one know the delivery schedule?

BOM would be better served, as there would be no competition (thus killing yields) on those routes.....with AA serving ORD/EWR-DEL anyway, it wouldn't make any sense to serve DEL from those cities...

now if AI was smart, they would start services from SJC (not SFO) and LAX to DEL nonstop...
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 4):
16 aircrafts by 2007,
10 737-800,
03 777-200LR
03 777-300 ER

Thanks Karan69. The new 773ERs are capable of doing JFK/ORD-DEL/BOM. It may be that AI is receiving 772LRs first and 773ERs later. If so, then start 772LRs with JFK/EWR to BOM and ORD-BOM(Max 10 flights per week with three 772LRs) and switch to 773ERs when delivered and then utilize 772LRs for SFO/SJC-BLR and LAX-BOM.
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US passengers, though they are not stopping in London.

Huh? Americans don't need visas to visit the UK.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US passengers, though they are not stopping in London.

Huh? Americans don't need visas to visit the UK.

I think it was meant to say :

The proposed non-stop flights from India to the US will do away with the UK visa requirements for US-bound Indian passengers, though they are not stopping in London
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:42 am

Does AI not run a direct 744 from JFK to DEL due to it would have to have a lot of restrictions or it just simply couldn't make it with or without restrictions?
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:50 am

A 744 could do JFK-DEL with profit-potential payload-- alas, probably not to the capacity expectations that AI would find acceptable.

UA care within a hare's breath of offering ORD-DEL nonstop 744 service in 2001.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:57 am

So a 744 can make the trip without a lot of restrictions?
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:03 am

Does this mean AI will drop LHR-JFK or could they still fly this alongside non stop USA flights?
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
Thanks Karan69. The new 773ERs are capable of doing JFK/ORD-DEL/BOM. It may be that AI is receiving 772LRs first and 773ERs later. If so, then start 772LRs with JFK/EWR to BOM and ORD-BOM(Max 10 flights per week with three 772LRs) and switch to 773ERs when delivered and then utilize 772LRs for SFO/SJC-BLR and LAX-BOM.

Nov 2006 aircraft delivery will be a 77W.
IMO with 3 77Ws and 3 772LRs there is not much you can do, initially atleast, as the 77W will directly replace the KE 744 leased aircrafts which would have ended their lease agreements by 2007.


As for the 772 LRs, i bet they will launch a BOM/DEL-NYC flight daily as NY market is always a safe bet to fly into---full of Indians--both high and low yielding.

One 777 [not sure 300ER or 200LR] is expected in the end of 2007--so effectively AI will have only 5 owned 777s by 2007 end.
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
Does this mean AI will drop LHR-JFK or could they still fly this alongside non stop USA flights?

there'd be nothing to prevent them from it... other than general market forces
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 4):
10 737-800,

Are these for AIX? (Air India Express)
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Are these for AIX? (Air India Express)

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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
Does this mean AI will drop LHR-JFK or could they still fly this alongside non stop USA flights?

I guess it depends on where they decide to send the non stops. The JFK flight orginates in Mumbai, then flies to Delhi, London, and then New York(or has that changed?). So, they could follow Singapore Airlines example, and deploy non-stops to Newark, and keep JFK as a one-stop flight between the US and India. I'm guessing the loads and yeilds on JFK-LHR are pretty good, so I don't see why that would be abandoned.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Huh? Americans don't need visas to visit the UK.

Lots of people in this world apart from Americans Big grin

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Are these for AIX? (Air India Express)

Yes!

Quoting EWROwznj00 (Reply 18):
The JFK flight orginates in Mumbai, then flies to Delhi, London, and then New York(or has that changed?).

No, it hasn't....
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:04 am

It makes sense as an eventuality. They probably need to get into an alliance sooner rather than later to make sure they are not overly disadvantaged in terms of feed.
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:56 am

A direct BOM or DEL flight to JFK / ORD would be great....would the flight be around 16 - 17 hours or so? A real boon for US bound pax who have to spend long hours connecting at CDG/LHR/FRA today....

However, that said, I personally hate the thought of flying those loooong non-stops...maybe we would get better deals on Euro connections once AI, CO, AA and others begin point to point direct flights to all major Indian cities... smile 
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):

BOM would be better served, as there would be no competition (thus killing yields) on those routes.....with AA and CO serving ORD/EWR-DEL anyway, it wouldn't make any sense to serve DEL from those cities...

now if AI was smart, they would start services from SJC (not SFO) and LAX to DEL nonstop...



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
DEL flight to JFK / ORD would be great

I dont think that would be the best for yields...

the flight is around 14-14 1/2 hours...


ok..maybe they can serve SFO if they need more runway space, but SJC would be more convenient to the local desi population...
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:17 pm

So much for rumors of SFO, IAD or IAH/DFW...
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 23):
So much for rumors of SFO, IAD or IAH/DFW...

agree with you, basically it is fatigue and nobody is in a position to believe anything till officially announced.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 23):
So much for rumors of SFO, IAD or IAH/DFW...

If they start those routes, they will probably start them with one stop service and then move on to non-stop (if successfull).

With 8 777-200LRs, they can serve about 3 cities daily non-stop. My guess is LAX, SFO/SJC, and ORD. JFK and EWR will be non-stop with the 777-300ER.

AI current 747 fleet:

3 747-200
2 747-300M
13 747-400
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1 747-433M ex Air Canada
3 747-412 ex Singapore
3 747-4B5 ex Korean Air
6 747-437 bought from Boeing.

The 777-300ERs looks like they will replace all the 747 full passengers. The numbers match.

So the only extra aircraft AI has to start new routes are the 8 777-200LRs. This conflicts with what I said earlier. Unless they choose to deploy the 787 on long haul destinations, but that won't be here for a while.
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:37 pm

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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:49 pm

I see know reason why SJC is better for AI then SFO. The majority of the population of Indians are in the east bay, not that far from SFO. No to mention the high amount in the mid-pennisula area working for Oracle. AI is smarter with SFO.

Also SFO has 1,800 feet more runway to work with as well as its gets no were near as hot as SJC in the summer.

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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 27):
I see know reason why SJC is better for AI then SFO. The majority of the population of Indians are in the east bay, not that far from SFO. No to mention the high amount in the mid-pennisula area working for Oracle. AI is smarter with SFO.

actually, SJC is just as easy to get to from East Bay (880 straight down) as SFO is. Not to mention, the desi population is huge in the San Jose, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara areas..then you have large populations in Palo Alto, Mountain View, and Menlo Park..

the people who work at Oracle live in the aforementioned areas..

Quoting AS739X (Reply 27):

Also SFO has 1,800 feet more runway to work with as well as its gets no were near as hot as SJC in the summer.

that was a caveat I added....but AA flies their 777 out of SJC everyday.....

the plus side to SJC is that its easier to deal with..a much smaller airport and as I mentioned, situated more closely to the local indian population..

that being said, I give SJC a 10% chance of seeing AI coming and SFO a 90% chance.

edited:

KSFO is only 1670 feet longer (and that's only 28R/10L) ... Wink

[Edited 2006-01-30 07:13:06]
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:14 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
With 8 777-200LRs, they can serve about 3 cities daily non-stop. My guess is LAX, SFO/SJC, and ORD. JFK and EWR will be non-stop with the 777-300ER.

AI current 747 fleet:

3 747-200
2 747-300M
13 747-400



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
The 777-300ERs looks like they will replace all the 747 full passengers. The numbers match.

So the only extra aircraft AI has to start new routes are the 8 777-200LRs. This conflicts with what I said earlier. Unless they choose to deploy the 787 on long haul destinations, but that won't be here for a while.

It will be interesting to see where AI will stand by 2012 when all 68 aircrafts are delivered.

As i said earlier initially they will start BOM/DEL-JFK route, reason being that NYC is a safe bet and you are garunteed high yielding premium traffic.

So that will make 2 LRs right there

Plus, when on 11th Jan AI signed that press release V.Tulsidas said in a press release that these aircraft wold give them the ability to start routes their customers desire like DEL-NY and BOM-SFO non-stop

So we can easily say that they will use 2 additional LRs for BOM-SFO.

As for the remaining 4 aircrafts. your guess is as good mine BOM/DEL-ORD,LAX, etc..

The 3 747-200s were already retired and have been replaced by the 3 777-200ERs from UA, the additional 2 772 from Varig and ALFACO will add capacity as they are leased for a 5 year period.

The 77Ws as said earlier will first replace the 2 74Ds and 7 leased 744[SQ/AC/KE] and the remining 6 will add capacity and eventually replace the owned 747-437s---which i expect to exist in the fleet atleast till 2015-2020 when they will be around 20-25 years of age.[NW and BA kept their 742/744 over 20-25 yr periods]

As for the A310s some of them will find life as cago converted, and the leases will be returned [12 leased i think out of 19]

The 738s will be used from non-metro states to Middle East/SIN/KUL/BKK etc..

Whereas to offer premium products on the routes of SIN they can send their 787s from metros onwards to OZ/NRT

So IMO the route network really needs to be designed perfectly to meet the demands of the passenger and to provide effective and efficient fleet utilisation
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:59 pm

I think the Worldliner, and aircraft like it will eventually come to change the way global air travel works. smaller, point to point flights to anywhere, from anywhere, seemingly (or atleast, between cities of decent size). Air India seems to be ahead of the curve. Very exciting.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:05 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
So IMO the route network really needs to be designed perfectly to meet the demands of the passenger and to provide effective and efficient fleet utilisation

I am sure they had that in mind while planning for the fleet acquisition.

Karan, in 2012 apart form the 68 new a/cs how many 744s will be service worthy? Will they continue to serve the high capacity LHR routes.

Is there a market for a 380 to serve this sector LHR-BOM/DEL?
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:14 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 19):
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
Are these for AIX? (Air India Express)

Yes!

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Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 32):
Wonder what Tail livery

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Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
Quoting AS739X (Reply 27):
I see know reason why SJC is better for AI then SFO. The majority of the population of Indians are in the east bay, not that far from SFO. No to mention the high amount in the mid-pennisula area working for Oracle. AI is smarter with SFO.

actually, SJC is just as easy to get to from East Bay (880 straight down) as SFO is. Not to mention, the desi population is huge in the San Jose, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara areas..then you have large populations in Palo Alto, Mountain View, and Menlo Park..

the people who work at Oracle live in the aforementioned areas..

Quoting AS739X (Reply 27):

Also SFO has 1,800 feet more runway to work with as well as its gets no were near as hot as SJC in the summer.

that was a caveat I added....but AA flies their 777 out of SJC everyday.....

the plus side to SJC is that its easier to deal with..a much smaller airport and as I mentioned, situated more closely to the local indian population..

that being said, I give SJC a 10% chance of seeing AI coming and SFO a 90% chance.

edited:

KSFO is only 1670 feet longer (and that's only 28R/10L) ...

[Edited 2006-01-30 07:13:06]

Have to agree with the % you gave AS739X, maybe even less. SJC doesn't have what it takes to attract a major international carrier like AI. So far, AA's flight to Tokyo and Mexicana flights to Mexico have been the only successful international operations. AA quickly dumped their flights SJC-CDG flights and I can't think of any international charter operators that use SJC either (except for Allegro when they were around). OAK gets all that business.

While SJC is closer to the East Bay, no one mentions BART goes right inside the International Terminal at SFO. BART links as far as Pittsburgh, Dublin, and Fremont right into SFO. This is much more convenient travel then getting stuck in traffic and dealing with parking, especially during the commute. SFO also offers more connection and duty free options.
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 33):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 32):
Wonder what Tail livery

snake charmers, gulab jamun...

Will do as long as its not named after a politician  biggrin 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
880 straight down

I'd rather WALK than take 880 South anyday. It's an absolute nightmare.

That aside, there's no way that AI would pick SJC over SFO. Other international airlines have tried this in the past and failed. The only airport in Northern California that has demonstrated repeatedly that it can handle overseas flights is SFO. That may not make a whole lot of sense considering SJC's proximity to Silicon Valley and all the other factors that have been mentioned about SJC, but I don't see the AI Board of Directors willing to go out on a limb by choosing SJC when other international carriers have not been successful there.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:26 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 34):
While SJC is closer to the East Bay, no one mentions BART goes right inside the International Terminal at SFO. BART links as far as Pittsburgh, Dublin, and Fremont right into SFO. This is much more convenient travel then getting stuck in traffic and dealing with parking, especially during the commute. SFO also offers more connection and duty free options.

when I lived in The Marina District, I would take the #30 Muni to Powell/Market St. then BART from Powell St. stop to SFO...u're correct, its very convenient..but you know how it is with most desis (Pakistanis and Indians)........everyone and their families have to show up... biggrin 

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 36):

That aside, there's no way that AI would pick SJC over SFO. Other international airlines have tried this in the past and failed. The only airport in Northern California that has demonstrated repeatedly that it can handle overseas flights is SFO. That may not make a whole lot of sense considering SJC's proximity to Silicon Valley and all the other factors that have been mentioned about SJC, but I don't see the AI Board of Directors willing to go out on a limb by choosing SJC when other international carriers have not been successful there.



Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 34):
Have to agree with the % you gave AS739X, maybe even less. SJC doesn't have what it takes to attract a major international carrier like AI. So far, AA's flight to Tokyo and Mexicana flights to Mexico have been the only successful international operations. AA quickly dumped their flights SJC-CDG flights and I can't think of any international charter operators that use SJC either (except for Allegro when they were around). OAK gets all that business.

I agree with you both, its quite unfortunate to see how SJC has become almost a 2nd-tiered airport......... SFO gets a heck of lot of tourists....SJC is mainly an O&D airport...which is ironic given that San Francisco proper only has around 4,000 Indians......where as the surrounding Bay area is where AI is most probably targeting.........

maybe a few big silicon valley contracts with AI might get them to change their minds (wishful thinking)...

one thing I hate about SFO is though, unless someone pics one up from SFO, its very expensive to get down to the Bay Area........and there really isn't a cheap and convenient way to get down to the Bay Area from SFO...taxi's and vans are a rip-off and the CalTrain takes forever (and who's going to spend all that time trying to get to the CalTrain???), in fact, when I go out of town from SFO, I'll park my car at the Clarion......its actually cheaper than anything else (unless I can get one of my friends)

however, getting to most of the places mentioned above from SJC is quite inexpensive, quick, and convenient....

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 36):
I'd rather WALK than take 880 South anyday. It's an absolute nightmare.

...c'mon..its not THAT bad.... liar 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting AA87 (Reply 26):
AI global carrier, long history and now will join the elite with longest non-stops in the world. Time for a serious makeover, their triples deserve bolder, flashier scheme for these prestige flights, IMHO

No need to have something flashy when you already have something classy. I think the Palace livery suits these "prestige" flights more than some generic design.
 
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Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 32):
Wonder what Tail livery.

I read somewhere that they will put ads on the tails in the future. Not sure if they meant under the tail like Deccan, or on the tail itself. Hope it's the former!
 
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:05 pm

I would imagine AI's LHR-JFK will be dropped or code-shared to another airline.

LHR-JFK with AI is the cheapest method of crossing the atlantic currently. Generally if you want to fly MON-FRI return with a weeks notice is about £300 compared to all the major's £900+.

Based on this alone I would imagine it's not worth it.

Also dropping this provides 1 extra take off / landing slot pair which i'm sure AI would find more valuable use for.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:21 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 40):
I would imagine AI's LHR-JFK will be dropped or code-shared to another airline.

I don't think AI would ever drop the LHR-JFK flights. It has been operating this route since 1962. It is after all one of the very few airlines authorized to operate on this sector. Dropping this would be handing over this sector to 9W.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:23 pm

Not another AI obsession with BOM/DEL! Come on AI - wake up - there's more to the world that BOM and NYC.

Well - the only thing I can hope for is that they'll start non-stops BOM-CHI or BOM-NYC, and leave the current a/c operating the one-stops to NYC/CHI to fly to SFO/IAH etc.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 36):
That may not make a whole lot of sense considering SJC's proximity to Silicon Valley and all the other factors that have been mentioned about SJC, but I don't see the AI Board of Directors willing to go out on a limb by choosing SJC when other international carriers have not been successful there.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 37):
I agree with you both, its quite unfortunate to see how SJC has become almost a 2nd-tiered airport......... SFO gets a heck of lot of tourists....SJC is mainly an O&D airport...which is ironic given that San Francisco proper only has around 4,000 Indians......where as the surrounding Bay area is where AI is most probably targeting.........

Maybe once they get more planes they will be willing to take such risks. Perhaps the 787 will be something that would be deployed on such routes.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 43):
Maybe once they get more planes they will be willing to take such risks. Perhaps the 787 will be something that would be deployed on such routes.

i thought of that too...but I see it highly unlikely...... Sad

doesn't seem like SJC will ever get to a "good" 2nd-level international gateway like EWR is.......it almost did back in the late to mid 90's because of AA..but then it all came unglued with the .dotcom implosion and Sept11

I guess one never knows......
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Americans don't need visas to visit the UK.

non-Americans do -and its a pain to get a visa (go to the consulate - fill out forms - etc  banghead  etc  banghead  ) I think one would spend more time getting the transit visa than the actual stop over - BA lost my business because of that .....:D

Quoting AA87 (Reply 26):
their triples deserve bolder, flashier scheme for these prestige flights, IMHO

Roger that .... bigthumbsup 

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 38):
think the Palace livery suits these "prestige" flights more than some generic design.

The palace livery has its place - would love to see them pick something just as classy yet bolder (An Indian version of Wunala Dreaming maybe?) - and they have a LOT to choose from ... the palace I believe is more Rajasthan than rest of India - maybe they can get some great designs - I am just hoping they don't go the "Indian" way .... that was outright disappointing ...
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:36 am

AS739X... You need to recheck your stats... the two runways at SJC are only 870 feet shorter than the longest one at SFO... At 11,000 ft, SJC can handle about any plane going to about any distance...

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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 44):
doesn't seem like SJC will ever get to a "good" 2nd-level international gateway like EWR is.......it almost did back in the late to mid 90's because of AA..but then it all came unglued with the .dotcom implosion and Sept11

Well, if there is a market for transcontinental non-stops from SJC it seems India would be a prime candidate.
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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 31):
Karan, in 2012 apart form the 68 new a/cs how many 744s will be service worthy? Will they continue to serve the high capacity LHR routes.

Their oldest owned 747-400 will be 21 years old and the youngest one will be around 16 years old. So they should be in the fleet till 2018-2020 atleast---we know that the likes of BA/NW/AC/KLM have used 747s for around 25 years.

God knows what the configuration will be of the 747-437s after they have been refurbished, but i should assume that they will be placed on the LHR-JFK, and FRA-LAX sectors.
I hear these flights go pretty full on 5th freedom traffic.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 31):
Is there a market for a 380 to serve this sector LHR-BOM/DEL?

There most certainly is at the moment, but now with the skies opening up to private players it is pretty obvious that the best choice is the 77W/346 size aircraft where you have so many players competing for a lucrative and at a same time price sensitive market.

Dont forget that A380 production slots are full till 2011 [KF are recieving theirs in 2010 onwards] and by then KF/9W/AI/IC??/DN/SJ all will be legally allowed to compete on that lucrative route, not to mention the UK carriers and the likes of UA, who have 5th freedom rights.
So i doubt an A380 will be profitable on this route.

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 39):
I read somewhere that they will put ads on the tails in the future. Not sure if they meant under the tail like Deccan, or on the tail itself. Hope it's the former!

i am happy that i bought the 3 737-800 1:400 scale models for a 20% discount price.

On another note Thats a good way of advertising, especially since most of the destinations AIX will fly to are International ones with large Indian Populations.
Think of an Advertisment for an insurance company or something like "Western Unioun" money transfer---which could relate with the "labour class" of people that AIX will cater to.

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RE: Air-India Plans Non-stop US Flights

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 19):
Lots of people in this world apart from Americans

Oh....dont' go there.
Is like telling a child that Santa is not real...lol Big grin

Does AI have good loads from Europe to USA?


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