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EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:32 am

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Always abreast of innovations in the industry and equipping itself with the fleet for the future to enhance passengers’ inflight comfort, Emirates has undertaken to refurbish its fleet of Boeing 777-200 aircraft.

The Emirates Engineering Centre is retrofitting all the aircraft in-house with its existing state-of-the-art facilities as well as innovative new systems.

Emirates' current fleet of 88 aircraft includes nine Boeing 777-200s, of which seven have been refurbished and the other two will be ready by January 2007. The First Class cabins of the 777-200 now boast of 12 roomy, lie flat seats that convert to a bed at the touch of a button. A 2-2-2 seat configuration with wider aisles, electrically-operated privacy dividers and in-seat reading lights provide privacy and the comfort of home. The centre seats are pitched up to 84 inches apart and provide easy access to the aisles. The seats have a soothing five-zone massage system while the one-touch seat controls are preset for bed, cradle and upright positions. Personal swivel tables with book functions are available at the touch of a button, as is laptop power.

The Business Class cabins have been converted to feature roomy, sleeperette seats in a 2-3-2 configuration with pitch of up to 60 inches, adjustable winged head-rests with four-way movement for optimum comfort, and in-seat laptop power which provide plenty of room to work or stretch out and relax.

Economy passengers can enjoy more comfort than ever with roomier cabins, 34-inch seat pitch, and adjustable footrests and headrests.

But that’s not all. The 777-200s also have been retrofitted with the ICE (information, communication and entertainment) system, available on passengers’ personal 19-inch digital display screens in First Class and 10.4-inch digital display screens in Business Class.

The system offers more than 500 audio, video and games channels available on demand and is available to customers travelling in every class. Besides the multitude of entertainment options available, ICE offers email and SMS facilities as well. Currently, nearly 35 per cent of Emirates' fleet is fitted with Panasonic’s latest 3000i, dubbed ‘ICE’ at Emirates.

Tim Clark, President Emirates Airline said: “Emirates has always prided itself on its inflight product offering – from service standards to seats and from food to entertainment. We have re-designed the interiors of the Boeing 777-200s to bring them in line with our new Boeing 777-300ERs and the Airbus A340-500s. Although you perceive the same aircraft on the outside, the heart of our 777-200s is beating with re-designed interiors and enhanced entertainment options. The Emirates Engineering Centre has proved it’s a world-class facility, and has done a fantastic job in re-designing and refitting the 777-200s.”

Emirates has also overhauled its 29 A330-200s for increased passenger comfort. The Business Class cabins have been refurbished to increase seat pitch from 48-49 inches to 58-63 inches, with the recline of the seats increased from 11 to 15 inches and height of the leg-rests raised from 6.1 inches to 9.5-12.5 inches depending on the configuration. The eight A340-300s have been similarly refurbished to increase recline and raise the height of the leg-rests.

http://www.emirates.com/uae/AboutEmi...ews/GN_NewsDetail.asp?yr=2006&St=2
 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
Economy passengers can enjoy more comfort than ever with roomier cabins, 34-inch seat pitch, and adjustable footrests and headrests.

Will economy class in EK B772s still be configured with 10 abreast seating?
 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:48 pm

What does this refurbishing plan have to do with RETROfitting...? Or did I miss something here?

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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:51 pm

Heh, retrofit doesn't have anything to do with that definition of retro.

Retrofit means to upgrade something old (like a house or airplane) with new pieces (like fixtures).

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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:16 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 4):
Heh, retrofit doesn't have anything to do with that definition of retro.

Thanks for the correction!  Wink I guess I should have checked the whole word. Big grin

Retro-livery means old style livery though, right?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2480822

Kinda missleading for non-native English speaker, just like 'flammable' and 'inflammable'.  biggrin 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting MEA (Reply 1):
Will economy class in EK B772s still be configured with 10 abreast seating?

You bet they will!  Wink

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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:48 am

Its the one thing to put me off flying Emirates, 10 abreast. Everything
else is great but I just feel shoe horned in the seat!
Why can they not go 3-3-3??
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:43 am

Although it may still be the same 3-4-3 layout, i found legroom on the 777 really really good.

Guess the 3-4-3 was the sacrifice to get the extra legroom in.

Good to hear that theyre actually taking all those customer complaints seriously and are making some REAL changes Big grin
 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:09 pm

are the seats in business the same as those on the b773ers? and what about reconfiguration of the straight b773s - will this happen?
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:50 pm

3-4-3 on a 777, legroom or not is not good for people with wider behinds (like myself), its positively uncomfortable. I haven't taken EK 3-4-3, but TG 3-4-3 is godawful!
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Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:41 pm


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Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
We have re-designed the interiors of the Boeing 777-200s to bring them in line with our new Boeing 777-300ERs



Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
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Is it just me or are these "new" seats, somewhat dated already? To compare with the newest from other airlines

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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
3-4-3 on a 777, legroom or not is not good for people with wider behinds (like myself), its positively uncomfortable

Exactly, I;ve been on TG's 777 with the same config, and it was very narrow, I don't know why "world class" airlines such as EK persist with such seating.
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 6):
Why can they not go 3-3-3??



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 11):
I don't know why "world class" airlines such as EK persist with such seating.

Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia
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Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia

Like MEL and SYD.......
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Dxb (Thread starter):
The seats have a soothing five-zone massage system while the one-touch seat controls are preset for bed, cradle and upright positions.

So is there a box where you drop a quarter in? Just like one of those cheesey hotel message beds of the 70s!
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
So is there a box where you drop a quarter in? Just like one of those cheesey hotel message beds of the 70s!

LOL! and they have mirrors on the ceiling. Seriously though they are using fake wood around the windows etc, it looks like a cheap luxury car.
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 13):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia

Like MEL and SYD.......

MEL and SYD are among the most profitable routes for EK!

All of their 777's are 10 across in Y class, including the new 77W's!

I flew an EK 772 and 773 last March, and 10 abreast seating was fine, even though I have never flown an other 777's so I can't compare it to anything, but the seats didn't seem narrow at all.
 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:56 pm

Their First Class product on 777 is pretty current. But their Business Class product is very dated. They need to increase the legroom and the recline if they decide not to introduce flat beds.
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
MEL and SYD are among the most profitable routes for EK!

That's what I meant, the 777's are used on all routes

Quoting Crewtagdotcom (Reply 17):
Their First Class product on 777 is pretty current

Compared to? BA,MH,SQ,TG all have better First Class than this.
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting Crewtagdotcom (Reply 17):
Their First Class product on 777 is pretty current. But their Business Class product is very dated. They need to increase the legroom and the recline if they decide not to introduce flat beds.

i agree. as i've said before on another thread, ek says its pax don't want lie flat but that excuse certainly doesn't wash with me. their seats in business are far behind the likes of mh, tg, sq, cx, ba etc etc... as mentioned above, the legroom and recline is increased on the b772s, b773ers, a343s and a330s but what about the a345 and b773? these are the two a/c you'd normally fly on a lhr-dxb-syd routing. personally, i don't find the a345 seats that comfortable for these reasons.

having said all this, i'd say we could expect a brand new product on the a388s, as sq have promised, but until then, i'd say emirates seats (but not food, service etc..) are quite far behind.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Because they use those birds on some very high demand, lower yield flights to South Asia

yes, the 772s are heavily utilised on dxb-bkk routes etc and fares are extremely cheap. i recently booked a j class return from bkk to lhr for around AU$2500 (about US$1850).
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:38 pm

I am booked on the LGW-DBX-SYD and return SYD-DBX-LHR in April with 772, A345 and 773ER in Business Class. I must say I am most looking forward to the flights.

The flat bed concept only truly works for all passengers if it is actually flat. That is as we all know something only a few airlines have utilized. I actually do like the look of the EK seat of the 777's and the A345. I have heard they are well padded on the T7's and have very good recline and leg rests. I would prefer this than to be on angle lie bed that makes me feel as though I am sliding down.

As for the Airbus, the reviews I have read made it sound like a very nice product. Together with the service, food and IFE and cabin decor, I cannot wait to try out EK for the first time.

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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Crewtagdotcom (Reply 17):
But their Business Class product is very dated. They need to increase the legroom and the recline if they decide not to introduce flat beds.

Isn't that what they've just done? Increased pitch to 60" and recline to match?

Besides, what most people forget about EK is that the service is almost always impeccable, the food excellent and well presented (and plentiful), the IFE top notch, and the booze endless. I've flown way too many airlines in Business where the seats may be new generation, but the service, food and ambience are crap. EK avoids this trap.
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:56 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
Isn't that what they've just done? Increased pitch to 60" and recline to match?

yes, but as i mentioned, not on the 773 and not the seat pitch on the a345.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
I've flown way too many airlines in Business where the seats may be new generation, but the service, food and ambience are crap.

the seats and pitch are the main reason people fly j, imo.

Quoting Paul (Reply 20):
The flat bed concept only truly works for all passengers if it is actually flat

are you referring to the superiority of ba, vs, nz and sa? i.e. horizontal not inclined. i find that inclined lie flat is still superior to ek non flat seats. i did not feel i was sliding down in cx business. anyway, i'm sure you'll have a great trip with avod ife, food, etc...enjoy.
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:21 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 21):
Besides, what most people forget about EK is that the service is almost always impeccable,

Emphasis on "almost". One things for sure they are not an MH or SQ
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting CXtra (Reply 22):
are you referring to the superiority of ba, vs, nz and sa? i.e. horizontal not inclined. i find that inclined lie flat is still superior to ek non flat seats. i did not feel i was sliding down in cx business.

Ok..ive always had a question about this stuff.

Dont these airlines loose out on the number of seats in business in the quest of the "lie-flat" concept??
AND
because of this , dont they charge way more than say EK and rest?

VS always talks about their seats being the "biggest beds in Business". But they dont even have a First Class. Infact, their business, is equivalent to other airlines' first- and they charge considerably more than any other airlines' J class product. So why do they classify their "Upper Class" as equivalent to Business? Confused

Personally, I hate the angled lie flat concept. It depends from person to person, some feel that they are sliding down (like me) and others find it absolutely fine.

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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:30 pm

I completely agree with you EK380.

VS do charge more for their upper class than most for J. I have been extensively investigating Business Class flights to SYD in April and now have booked myself on EK from LGW at a very good price- some 400 pounds cheaper than BA and almost 750 cheaper than VS.

I am very much looking forward to my trip with EK because I like you, prefer the big comfy arm chairs over the angle lie flat. EK's reviews of their 773ER and consequently the 772 seat have been very promising. They are huge, well padded, good recline and have supportive leg rest. I would take this any day over a slide.

In addition EK's service and food, new IFE system are better than VS Upper Class and would say probably at least on par if not better than BA. Although BA do consistently have good F/A's the six course meal on EK and the 500 channel available on demand IFE does get the A grade when BA's IFE is now somewhat outdated.

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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:13 am

I flew in one of those 3-4-3 configured 777s that BA used to operate and it was living hell! I agree with those that think that this config for airlines like Emirates is not acceptable.
 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting EK380 (Reply 24):
So why do they classify their "Upper Class" as equivalent to Business?

because it is. vs charge similar prices for their upper class to ba, qf, and sq in business. also, there are many more seats than any first class.

Quoting EK380 (Reply 24):
Dont these airlines loose out on the number of seats in business in the quest of the "lie-flat" concept??
AND
because of this , dont they charge way more than say EK and rest?

yes and yes. but some pax are willing to pay extra because they believe ba, qf, sq, cx, mh, tg etc... have a superior business class product.

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 23):
Emphasis on "almost". One things for sure they are not an MH or SQ

in fact, i've found some ek fa's to be grumpy and unattentive. of course, some of them are as good as mh/sq but they don't have the kampong spirit of the mh girls or the sense of identity of the singapore girl. i'd say in general, mh and sq have more consistent and warm service.

Quoting Paul (Reply 25):
In addition EK's service and food, new IFE system are better than VS Upper Class and would say probably at least on par if not better than BA.

ek's avod ife is incomparable to ba's ife, which is outdated and needs avod.

Quoting Paul (Reply 25):
Although BA do consistently have good F/A's

do they??
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting CXtra (Reply 27):
in fact, i've found some ek fa's to be grumpy and unattentive. of course, some of them are as good as mh/sq but they don't have the kampong spirit of the mh girls or the sense of identity of the singapore girl. i'd say in general, mh and sq have more consistent and warm service.

Thats what I meant, EK are "almost" always good. There is no consistency, and those who beleive EK's service is so superior really do get brainwashed by the marketing hype.
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 28):
There is no consistency, and those who beleive EK's service is so superior really do get brainwashed by the marketing hype

I have travelled EK 4-5 times a year the past 5 years in cattle class and never had an experience of poor service. I have found FA's on EK remarkably consistent, certainly more so than QF and NZ. Of course it is nicer to have the extra attention when loads are smaller. The noticeable differences for me in quality of the total experience have been due to older planes (the B772s), and different quality IFE - ICE on EK's A345 is easily the best. Obviously some people have had negative experiences as well. Every person I know has had a great time on EK flights. They always rate it far above the alternatives available on the Tasman (mainly QF and NZ), and I concur with that.
 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:58 pm

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 28):
Thats what I meant, EK are "almost" always good. There is no consistency, and those who beleive EK's service is so superior really do get brainwashed by the marketing hype.

Its definately not all marketing hype. It has always been good, but unforutnately due to the recent "mega expansion" some people have had bad experiences. Over the past year, I would say I was given very good service atleast 6 out of the 7 times I travelled them.

Quoting CXtra (Reply 27):
but some pax are willing to pay extra because they believe ba, qf, sq, cx, mh, tg etc... have a superior business class product.

The keyword over here is BELEIVE. The other airlines like ba,sq and cx also have a LOT of flashy ad campaigning. EK may not have flat seats in business class, but at least they dont end up charging you the heaven and earth for it, and make up for it with awesome service, good food and AVOD entertainment!
 
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RE: EK 777-200S Retrofitted For The Futur

Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:58 pm

My flights with Emirates have been good and wouldn't hesitate to fly with them again. But right now, they don't compare too well to Singapore Airlines who are a cut above the rest at the moment.

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