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Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:23 am

Hello all

I couldn't understand exactly how to put picture on this. So put a link to it.
I don't know if this was notice on any thread. I just thought I would make a new thread. Have you seen this paint livery on Delta 75yr Anniversary although it has been on for 2yrs. I didn't see this picture before. Was that the original livery Delta had when they started? Its ver interesting to see the original livery of all airlines when they were born up to present time they go through several livery changes. I wonder which airline goes through the most changes of livery of all time?

Any comments are appreciate.

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:48 am

I'm not too sure, but would say UA, US Airways and BA would definitely make it to the top ten list...maybe AC too...
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:46 am

I am sure Delta is it ... and would not be surprised if they come up with yet another one after they are done with their bankruptcy issue...
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:55 am

How about USAir?


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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting Matt D (Reply 3):
How about USAir?

I would consider the first two to be the same - there were a number of airlines which switched to or experimented with bare metal in the 70s and 80s - Eastern, Western and Aeromexico, to name a few. Of course, US Airways is probably the leader when it comes to mergers, so it's no surprise that they've kept the livery designers on their toes.

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:01 pm

F9, B6, and BA with all their new tails...LOL, j/k. Aeroflot, DL, and Us Airways have had a few too.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:59 am

Honorable mention to Royal Jordanian, especially for the five experimental Trisatr liveries in the early 80's...

Runner up: Air Canada
red cheatline/black letters, red cheatline/red letters, two-tone red cheatline, white fusealge/green tail, present livery...

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:04 am

How about American Airlines?  duck 

Before the DC-3's they had how many paint jobs on the differnent planes?
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:21 am

red cheatline/black letters, red cheatline/red letters, two-tone red cheatline, white fusealge/green tail, present livery...

You forgot Trans Canada Airlines livery too.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
Was that the original livery Delta had when they started?

It is pretty close to what they had back in the old days. Search for pics on the AA AstroJet to see what they used to look like.
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:49 am

Side question: How do you pronounce "livery"? Does the first part sound like "LIVE from New York it's Saturday Night"? Or like "He drank too much and needs a LIVER transplant"?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:53 am

the PSA new livery for US AIR look so cool and new, they should have used that for the new US AIRWAYS
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:01 am

Livery is pronounced LIVER-Y.

BA has only change livery 3 times (since the merger), i don't count that as being too many
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:23 am

I think it's odd DL is on the list, as their classic widget livery was used from late '60s/early'70s unchanged until the mid '90s. Yeah, I know they had 2 liveries in the '90s and have now tweaked the current one back to the classic widget logo...
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:04 am

how about this, 1999 flying colours....2001 jmc.....2003 to present thomas cook

thats 3 in 7 years
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 13):
and have now tweaked the current one back to the classic widget logo...

Dang. Thats awesome! When did they decide on that?
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 15):
Dang. Thats awesome! When did they decide on that?

Don't know, but it's been around since at least December 2004.


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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 16):

Don't know, but it's been around since at least December 2004.

I think he understood it to be that DL had gone back to the widget colour scheme. The only thing that changed was that the widget next to "Delta" on the fuselage reverted to the old "pointy" one instead of the newer "curved" one.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 17):
I think he understood it to be that DL had gone back to the widget colour scheme.

Sorry GQfluffy if I misled you. BTW, it's hard to type "GQFluffy" without laughing - interesting name!
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:14 am

In its 12(?) year existence, NK has had 3 standard livery schemes (excluding the Express One Hybrids & the 10th Anniversary schemes); both changes occurred within the last 4 years:


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In a similar time period, FL had 2 scheme changes as well (not counting the Sir Elton John decals & the adding of airtran.com on the engine cowlings) but the first change was a result of the J7 merger.


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Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 4):
Quoting Matt D (Reply 3):
How about USAir?

I would consider the first two to be the same - there were a number of airlines which switched to or experimented with bare metal in the 70s and 80s - Eastern, Western and Aeromexico, to name a few. Of course, US Airways is probably the leader when it comes to mergers, so it's no surprise that they've kept the livery designers on their toes.


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Actually, that early white USAir scheme could be considered an Allegheny-hybrid (AL's 1975 livery w/US titles). Since AL changed to US just 4 years later, I believe (I could be mistaken on this part) the first planes to get the US bare metal look were the ones that still bared the pre-75 wedge livery.

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Over time, all the planes became bare metal w/the tri-color cheatline.

Even without the merger hybrids, US has had 4 standard liveries throughout the last 25 years; including the new scheme courtesy of the HP merger.
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:13 am

Hey there
If I knew how to post pictures on there I would show you the MANY MANY current colors of skyserivce airlines. As many of us call it here our BI POLAR fleet. Cannot make up its mind from one plane to the next.  Big grin I would say Skyserivce Ranks up there with many others in MANY different colors in the fleet past and present.

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
In a similar time period, FL had 2 scheme changes as well (not counting the Sir Elton John decals & the adding of airtran.com on the engine cowlings) but the first change was a result of the J7 merger.

Could you include the ValueJet livery? hehe.
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 21):
Could you include the ValueJet livery? hehe.

If I did that, I would then have to include HP's schemes when referring to US. Big grin

Speaking of US, I forgot about the unique US Shuttle Schemes; particularly the ex-Trump Shuttle 727s (white USAir Shuttle) and a couple of DC-9s (in an old/new hybrid scheme). Since these planes were exclusively used (by & large) for shuttle routes (when wearing the Shuttle titles), these schemes could be included when counting the number of schemes US' standard livery mix.


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I'm assuming that when the current A319/320 Shuttle planes get repainted to US' new scheme; they will still sport Shuttle titles.

I do NOT count the bare metal No Fees, No Brainer scheme that was on some of the 733s because that was a painting mishap-turned promotional livery scheme.


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Speaking of which (one could start a whole new thread on this subject), is this scheme still out there or did these planes eventually get repainted to the old (pre-HP merger scheme)?
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
I do NOT count the bare metal No Fees, No Brainer scheme that was on some of the 733s because that was a painting mishap-turned promotional livery scheme.

It wasn't a painting mishap, but rather a fatigue issue. There were/are areas of some 737s in the US fleet showing signs of corrosion and were being monitored on a (I think) monthly basis. Since obviously paint would cover the area of the skin to be inspected, the aircraft would need to be stripped and repainted each month - way too expensive and wasteful. So US decided on the bare metal "usairways.com" scheme to allow easy corrosion checks.

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
Speaking of US, I forgot about the unique US Shuttle Schemes; particularly the ex-Trump Shuttle 727s (white USAir Shuttle) and a couple of DC-9s (in an old/new hybrid scheme).

That begs the question. When did US use the DC9 on the shuttle routes. I remember the 727s which were replaced by the 319s. And I remember the 733s being used for the DCA-BOS shuttle routes.

When and for which routes did US use the DC9?
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:45 am

CPAir/Canadian should be on the list....they were flying with three liveries at one time....


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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting Bdl2dca (Reply 24):
When did US use the DC9 on the shuttle routes.

The DC-9 Shuttles existed from 1999 to 2000 or even early 2001 (all remaining US DC-9s were retired after Aug. 18, 2001) until the A319/320 Shuttles came on line. From most of the A.net photos, the DC-9 Shuttles handled LGA-IAD expansion service (when it was offered); a photo from a back-issue of Airliners magazine (from 2000) showed a picture of the US DC-9 Shuttle parked at a terminal gate in either CVG or CMH (?); the magazine's at home, otherwise I would've posted the correct Ohio airport.
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But Braniff (Mark I) did go through four in about a 15-year span:

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting BOAC707 (Reply 25):
CPAir/Canadian should be on the list....they were flying with three liveries at one time....

At the time of the PWA/CP merger, the newly merged CP had 6 liveries on the go:

Canadi>n
Canadian Pacific hybrid
CP Air hybrid
Pacific Western hybrid
Nordair hybrid
EPA hybrid

...not to mention the hybrids from the CP regionals/feeders of the time and a couple of years later Wardair.

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:39 am

With 3 liveries in less than 10 years:

Lan Chile:

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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting ETStar (Reply 2):
am sure Delta is it ... and would not be surprised if they come up with yet another one after they are done with their bankruptcy issue...

If they do. Any specific good news on that front?
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RE: Which Airlines Had The Most Changes Of Livery?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:32 am

Transavia changed livery very often since its erection in 1965: Transavia Limburg > Transavia Holland > Transavia > Transavia Airlines > Basiq Air > transavia.com: all the same company, still rocking.





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