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NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:56 pm

This is going ahead last flight will be 28Mar06
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:20 pm

what are the reasons for this move?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:22 pm

Does this mean that NZ are pulling all 767's out of Asian destinations? The new T7 will go SIN, HKG, & PVG eventually. What aircraft will be used on KIX and NRT routes?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 1):
what are the reasons for this move?

Poor passenger number. Some flights only leave under half full
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 2):
Does this mean that NZ are pulling all 767's out of Asian destinations? The new T7 will go SIN, HKG, & PVG eventually. What aircraft will be used on KIX and NRT routes?

That's generally the plan I think. NRT will get the 777 as well, and Kansai will probably get it once most/all of 772s arrives. I saw for a random date later in the year that NRT was going to have the 772 by then.
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:47 pm

yes, KIX and NRT will get 777's

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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:30 pm

NRT gets 777's from 26/03/06. Daily
KIX from 30/07/06. 5x weekly
HKG from 01/07/06 5x weekly
SIN from 17/02/06 Daily
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:38 pm

This flight has been 3 weekly and not doing well. A few years back they were doing it seasonally but even then it wasn't doing well. It would be better if they could have offered something like NGO-(Tropical island)-AKL. I always felt their time slot was not the best for people traveling on to ANA domestic connections or connecting to Star Alliance flights. You could fly to NGO and connect to NZ, but on return you almost needed to stay overnight to connect to a local destination.

I will be sad to see this go. Even with a new airport facility and greater connections, NZ just never got the business it should have received.

Since opening we have gained and lost. AA came and left, AC is leaving again and now NZ. We will gain Finnair and EK, but we are loosing Stars Left and right here.

With them leaving, the only way to go from NGO to OZ or NZ is on Australian or via KIX and NRT.

I hope in the future they will come back.
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:50 pm

The flight used to operate via NAN.

Also during the 1997/98 Asian crisis they actually upped NGO to 4 weekly operating 2 weekly AKL-NAN-NGO and 2 weekly AKL-NGO-FUK before FUK was dropped. Then sometime later all NGO services became non stop ex AKL.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:00 pm

When you say people traveling on to NH flights it is pretty strange that NZ have better ties with JL and codeshare with JL rather than NH. I know that this relationship started before NZ joined Star Alliance but it's been many years and why didn't NZ try to work with NH?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 9):
When you say people traveling on to NH flights it is pretty strange that NZ have better ties with JL and codeshare with JL rather than NH. I know that this relationship started before NZ joined Star Alliance but it's been many years and why didn't NZ try to work with NH?

I think that part of the problem IIRC is that under the bilateral JL is the designated Japanese carrier to New Zealand - so it is either work with them or work with no-one. ( I could be wrong on this .. but they used to be the designated carrier .. anyone know if the bilateral has been updated ) . The relationship goes back a long way - few now remember that when NZ was originally privatised back in '88(?) JL and AA took small shareholdings ( a lot smaller than QFs shareholding obviously)


edited to add:

it's a shame that they are pulling out of the airport with the best domestic connections - I would have preferred to see them try retiming the flight to overnight AKL-NGO to take advantage of the new airports connecting possibilities - at the moment the flights arrive too late into NGO for anything other than O&D

[Edited 2006-01-31 10:01:35]
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:19 pm

A shame to see NGO go.
So with TPE and NGO being dropped, where is this extra B767 capacity being redeployed?

Over the years, NZ have dissapeared from the following Asian airports:

KUL
DPS
BKK
TPE
SEL
NGO
FUK

Let's hope the 777s do better business on whats left of their Asian network.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:31 pm

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 11):
So with TPE and NGO being dropped, where is this extra B767 capacity being redeployed?

Some of the B767's will be retired out of NZ fleet when leasing contract expires which could be this year or next.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 12):
Some of the B767's will be retired out of NZ fleet when leasing contract expires which could be this year or next.

supposedly there will still be 5 767s for a few years - but once the 777 take over HKG NRT KIX the 767s will do

1 daily to LAX via either APW/TBU or NAN or RAR/PPT
2-4 weekly to HNL ( depending on the season .. and yet another service which
rumour has said may be dropped )
4-7 weekly to PER depending on season
assorted transTasman and South Pacific flights ( although more and more
of these seem to be operated by A320s )

doesn't actually seem a lot of utilisation for 5 x 767 to me ... more like 3-4 a/c ???
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:48 pm

Once NZ are down to 5 763's probably end of this year or early next, they will be on

AKL-HNL 3-4 weekly
AKL-NAN-LAX 3 weekly
AKL-RAR-PPT-LAX 3 weekly
AKL-TBU-APW-LAX 1 weekly
AKL-PER daily

Thats probably about 3.5 aircraft, and another will probably do a daily AKL-SYD then return and do an AKL-PPT, APW or RAR flight overnight.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:25 pm

on the bright side ....

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Busine...aily/2006/02/01/1138590549494.html

Air New Zealand is to increase its San Francisco route to a daily service from June this year.

First introduced with a frequency of three non-stop services a week between Auckland and San Francisco in June 2004, the popularity of the route resulted in services being doubled to six times weekly less than six months later, the airline said.......



edited to add " Bugger ! Legacyins beat me to it "
NZ To Go Daily Into SFO (by Legacyins Feb 1 2006 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2006-02-01 07:26:03]
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:48 pm

What aircraft will be used on CHC-Japan routes?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:50 pm

I think that even when the 777s come online, we will not see them in NGO. Maybe we will see some of the 787s. But they really do need to retime their arrival to line up with NH, SQ, TG and UA. If they were to arrive in the morning, they could have effective transfers to many chinese destinations (smaller ones) and domestic Japan.

Hey with the annoucement of the 737-700ER, maybe NZ can relaunch NGO! If they were only filling a 767 half, why not fill a 737 full?
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:56 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 17):
they could have effective transfers to many chinese destinations (smaller ones) and domestic Japan.

Again, it really depends who NZ should partner with, JL or NH? Anyway when NZ commence AKL-PVG later this year, pax going to China won't need to go through Japan.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 17):
If they were only filling a 767 half, why not fill a 737 full?

Could they have kept a couple of 762's? Or were things like maintenance getting out of hand?
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:41 pm

Xiaotung...you just destroyed my plans for NGO domination and NZ resumption of NGO service...NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:53 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Could they have kept a couple of 762's? Or were things like maintenance getting out of hand?

I just asked about CHC-Japan service because I think these routes will still be using 767's.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 20):
Xiaotung...you just destroyed my plans for NGO domination and NZ resumption of NGO service...NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Sorry, that destroyed my plan to visit NGO later this year as well. Was hoping to transfer onto NH service to Shanghai. Now I have to go via either KIX or NRT.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:59 pm

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 21):
Sorry, that destroyed my plan to visit NGO later this year as well

It could still happen. Just pray that your flight to KIX gets diverted due to a storm or something.
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:04 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):
It could still happen. Just pray that your flight to KIX gets diverted due to a storm or something.

That'll cause serious problem to my connecting flight.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:07 pm

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 21):
I just asked about CHC-Japan service because I think these routes will still be using 767's.

What CHC-Japan routes? NZ don't have any and never did that I no of. They only operate Japan-CHC as a stop over on the way back to AKL. These flights from KIX and NRT to CHC and onto AKL will all be 777's by August this year.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Could they have kept a couple of 762's? Or were things like maintenance getting out of hand?

Those aircraft were 18-19 years old when NZ sold them so no it wouldn't have made any sence to have kept any.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Could they have kept a couple of 762's? Or were things like maintenance getting out of hand?

Like ZK-NBT said, they were old. ZK-NBA was 20 years old. They were costing an absolute bomb to maintain. NBB and NBC's EOL checks were spent replacing most of the seat tracks due to corrosion. A big expensive time consuming job.

Also, they were not able to fly full on flights to SIN/HKG/NRT etc. Thats why they were mainly used on Pacific Island and Tasman flights.

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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 24):
What CHC-Japan routes? NZ don't have any and never did that I no of. They only operate Japan-CHC as a stop over on the way back to AKL. These flights from KIX and NRT to CHC and onto AKL will all be 777's by August this year.

What? I was just reading Air NZ inflight magazine and it was shown clearly on the route map that NZ serve both KIX and NRT out of CHC non-stop.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:45 pm

NZ don't fly to KIX or NRT or ANYWHERE in Japan out of CHC. The only flights inbound are from KIX and NRT before heading up to AKL. NZ98 and NZ90 I think they are.

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[Edited 2006-02-01 09:46:10]

[Edited 2006-02-01 09:48:08]
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 26):
What? I was just reading Air NZ inflight magazine and it was shown clearly on the route map that NZ serve both KIX and NRT out of CHC non-stop.

Well it may of said that but they don't actually fly the route North bound. They serve KIX/NRT-CHC.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:50 pm

Thanks for the explanation.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 6):
HKG from 01/07/06 5x weekly

Will NZ be flying 767's the other days or will this route maintain 777's with 5x weekly because of the extra capacity?

So now NZ's asian network will only consist of SIN,HKG,KIX and NRT. This is definatley a huge dissapointment. Will NZ be opening/looking at any new routes to Asia apart from PVG?

What will the utillisation of the 8 777's be?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 30):

So now NZ's asian network will only consist of SIN,HKG,KIX and NRT. This is definatley a huge dissapointment. Will NZ be opening/looking at any new routes to Asia apart from PVG?

It might be a huge dissapointment but we can't expect NZ to operate flights that are loosing money, can we?

It would be great if there were more international destinations from CHC but there simply isn't the traffic so we have to live with the fact we have to travel via AKL or SYD etc to get anywhere.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 31):
It would be great if there were more international destinations from CHC but there simply isn't the traffic

Yes, CHC does not have enough traffic to justify more long-haul flights. An exapmle of this is NZ reducing it's CHC-LAX service to seasonal. AKL is a different story however, and there is huge potential for more long-haul routes. Vancouver, Jakarta and Mumbai e.t.c are all examples of the markets of which NZ have yet to explore.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 31):
we have to live with the fact we have to travel via AKL or SYD etc to get anywhere.

It's a tough life, isn't it? You have the option to travel via SIN if you want to get to Asia/India/Europe/Middle east/Africa. Ek travel to europe and the middle east. You have NZ's seasonal direct flight to LAX which connects to Europe/Canada/U.S.A and when NZ does not operate the route you can use FJ via NAN. The only continent other than the one CHC is in that you have to travel via AKL to get to is South America, and really, how many people travel from CHC to South America a year?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:51 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 32):
Vancouver, Jakarta and Mumbai e.t.c are all examples of the markets of which NZ have yet to explore.

Jakarta I doubt will be happening in a hurry, the traffic between here and Indonesia is hardly enough to keep GA coming to AKL 2x a week with a333 let alone another airline. KUL I believe could jump the queue if a certain decision in May is made.
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:16 pm

On a thread a few weeks ago, I asked why this airport was loosing some major international airlines/service. It was never replied to. So what gives? What's going on with NGO? The Japanese government must have had a reason for building this new airport. Is this one of the first new international airports in the world to start off on a slow foot or has there been others? I sure do hope things turn around at NGO.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:15 pm

Just a guess. Could it be that the new NGO charges more landing fee?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:27 pm

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 33):
Jakarta I doubt will be happening in a hurry, the traffic between here and Indonesia is hardly enough to keep GA coming to AKL 2x a week with a333 let alone another airline

Well I thought it could be an en-route stop for a possible AKL-India service.

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 33):
KUL I believe could jump the queue if a certain decision in May is made.

I agree, KUL definately is a possibility. What decision are you talking about in May?, a new fleet order?, the announcement of the 2nd daily service to LON?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:55 am

I thought the fleet order was going to be around June, , I'm eager to hear about anything new in May!! May - this will be confirming PVG - selling tickets etc ??
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 36):
What decision are you talking about in May?, a new fleet order?, the announcement of the 2nd daily service to LON?

It's not actually an NZ decision per se, but it will affect us if it goes ahead. We will see if it happens or not.
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 38):
It's not actually an NZ decision per se, but it will affect us if it goes ahead.

Bi-lateral agreements between us and another nation?
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 38):
It's not actually an NZ decision per se, but it will affect us if it goes ahead. We will see if it happens or not.

You big tease. Just tell them  Smile

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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:28 am

Is there any rationality with NZ doing the same as QF and launching an international no (some) frills service. QF has JQ and at the moment AO which will service cities that QF elect not to fly to cause it does not return a good profit with their premium brand and service. NZ has SJ and to my understanding SJ has a good cost structure and brand to operate into cities that NZ is sceptical about.

Why not hand some B767's over to SJ and let them out of their shell to more international ports such as NGO, SEL, TPE, DPS (all of which was previously serviced by NZ with the exception of NGO and TPE).

Another question that I have is why is NZ only operating 5 services to HKG with their new B777s compared to CX's 12. I looked up the schedules in Carina and only saw 5 flights in the middle of the year.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:09 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 40):
You big tease. Just tell them

Well it is still up in the air, it may not happen.
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:56 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 32):

It's a tough life, isn't it?

Wasn't meaning it to sound like a complaint! I was referring to NZ and it's direct flights.
 
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RE: NZ To Pull Out From NGO

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:53 pm

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 38):
t's not actually an NZ decision per se, but it will affect us if it goes ahead. We will see if it happens or not.

don't tell me the MH are once again rumoured to be pulling out of AKL ?