Lufthansa747
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LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:41 pm

Just needed to book a one-way from Helsinki to Frankfurt. Here are the prices:

Finnair - 98.09 EUR
SAS - about 120 EUR
and the best:

Lufthansa

Economy class not available for oneways. Full flex business 1019 EUR.

No wonder my SEN account has no miles left in it!
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:42 pm

Gimme some dates to work with....
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:44 pm

You could always book a return ticket and throw away the second flight coupon...
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:44 pm

I booked AY already and that's what I wanted anyway.

Tried a few dates in March on lufthansa.com and the cheapest on LH was always 1019eur. Economy class showed no results at all just a message not available.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:48 pm

Return tickets HEL-FRA-HEL on LH available for 188 Euro incl. ticket ripoff charge.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 3):
Tried a few dates in March on lufthansa.com and the cheapest on LH was always 1019eur. Economy class showed no results at all just a message not available

Thats correct. On a oneway basis, LH only sell a COW fare at GBP647.00/EUR1019.00. Somewhat antiquated pricing system.

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
You could always book a return ticket and throw away the second flight coupon...

Not good advice.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 5):
Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
You could always book a return ticket and throw away the second flight coupon...

Not good advice.

I have heard those horror stories too, but never actually met anyone who has experienced any of those alleged negative effects in person.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:01 pm

Come on guys, in my opinion is Lufthansa's outstanding service on such a 1.5 hour oneway flight definitely 1019 EUR worth.

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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Come on guys, in my opinion is Lufthansa's outstanding service on such a 1.5 hour oneway flight definitely 1019 EUR worth.

The lack of oneway fares is just a favor on behalf of LH to the travelling public - they want you to have a second chance to experience their heartwarming and lavish service on European Peasant Class flights. Big grin
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:47 pm

LH are total crap, they suck big time, they don't know how to run an airline profitably, their service is horrible, the F/As are just a bunch of unfriendly Bavaria-style Oktoberfest-Brunhildes; their Y-class is less comfortable than Guantanamo Bay, the seat pitch isn't even worth a description, the IFE is non-existent and the food is not edible even for pigs.

Blablabla.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:58 pm

KLM is even worse. They charge you EUR 737 (ironic?  ) for a one-way flight HEL-AMS; and then you even get an economy seat!
I know why they do it, but it's crap anyway.

[Edited 2006-02-01 15:58:42]
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:03 am

Last time I checked, LY wanted to charge my mother-in-law 3599 USD for a one-way TLV - FRA in Economy.

Now, go and flame LY.
But no, since the game here is only about LH nobody's gonna say a word.
If you allegedly all know that LH is oh so crap, write a book about it or just shut up.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:14 am

can anyone tell me another LH ticket option???

check out a flight VIE to SKG (vie MUC)

the cheapest ticket is 1500 € in eco basic. they fly codeshare with Aegean.
for comparison: athens is available couple of times a day for about 260 €, a flight ATH - SKG on aegean starts at 30€.

Can anyone tell me the meaning of this codesharing?????
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 9):
they don't know how to run an airline profitably

Maybe most of your points are true, but definately not this one. They are one of the most profitable airlines around. That is what it makes so hard to criticize them.
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 4):
Return tickets HEL-FRA-HEL on LH available for 188 Euro incl. ticket ripoff charge.

Actually not too bad - they probably have matched AY who I believe is below 200 on normal fares (return).

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 5):
Somewhat antiquated pricing system.

Indeed, and geez - 1019 EUR one way... At least I'd expect that money to get me 1-year return ticket in C.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Come on guys, in my opinion is Lufthansa's outstanding service on such a 1.5 hour oneway flight definitely 1019 EUR worth.

I'd pay 20e more for that C meal (HEL gets the full thing) - make it non changeable Z class or whatever. About 20e more if I didn't otherwise have lounge access. BA's I class fares are rather reasonable on shorthauls IIRC.

Oops, didn't I forgot the LH European Private Bed - a wonderful C class seat with huge legroom and massive seat width definitely worth 1K. Big grin

Kidding aside, I find it hilarious that LH tries to get these fares while partner SK sells the same for 120 EUR via CPH. (SK/LH usually has same fares ex-Finland - you can fly either, obviously not in this case)

BTW, that AY HEL-FRA base fare is EUR 66, Ryanair on TMP-HHN was EUR 49 (and that would have required me to stay overnight also as I'm connecting to CX).

I wonder who comes up with these AY fare basis codes:

My friend's HEL-BKK was AGOGO
This one is ALUCKY Silly
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:24 am

What I like about LH´s booking system is that when you are flexible you can choose the option +/- 3 days and sometimes you can get a hugh discount. Probably there is a hugh demand for that flight and LH is a company like everyone else and wants to make some money out of it.

PS: Have you ever heard of the Sunday-rule (don´t know if it´s called like that) but when you have the weekend/ Saturday-Sunday-night between you indeed "just" pay 188€ like TriStar500 said.
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Maddy (Reply 15):
the option +/- 3 days and sometimes you can get a hugh discount.

I like that too, Finnair has the same.

Quoting Maddy (Reply 15):
Have you ever heard of the Sunday-rule (don´t know if it´s called like that) but when you have the weekend/ Saturday-Sunday-night between you indeed "just" pay 188€ like TriStar500 said.

Yes, but the AY/SK fares have no restrictions as long as the class is available, simply a one-way ticket like the low costs. Obviously nonref/nonchanges though at that price.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 11):
Now, go and flame LY.
But no, since the game here is only about LH nobody's gonna say a word.
If you allegedly all know that LH is oh so crap, write a book about it or just shut up.
This forum would be better off without it!

Welcome to my respected user list.

I personally like LH, never made any bad experience with them.

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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 9):
LH are total crap, they suck big time, they don't know how to run an airline profitably, their service is horrible, the F/As are just a bunch of unfriendly Bavaria-style Oktoberfest-Brunhildes; their Y-class is less comfortable than Guantanamo Bay, the seat pitch isn't even worth a description, the IFE is non-existent and the food is not edible even for pigs.

Sorry but your attempt of being sarcastic failed big time because everything you wrote is actually true (well, with exeption of the profitably statement).

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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 5):
Not good advice.

Should be alright shouldn't it? I don't think that the carrier is likely to recharge the clients credit card the COW fare if they simply don't show up for the return. We still book quite a few dummy returns - what we can't do is whip off the first coupon anymore (especially as most carriers have gone to etix) - but I would be interested if you know something I don't. I have heard, btw, of Eurotunel doing that to clients who take advantage of cheap day rtns, but don't rtn....
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 18):
Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 9):
LH are total crap, they suck big time, they don't know how to run an airline profitably, their service is horrible, the F/As are just a bunch of unfriendly Bavaria-style Oktoberfest-Brunhildes; their Y-class is less comfortable than Guantanamo Bay, the seat pitch isn't even worth a description, the IFE is non-existent and the food is not edible even for pigs.

Sorry but your attempt of being sarcastic failed big time because everything you wrote is actually true (well, with exeption of the profitably statement).

Thanks for supporting the German economy by paying top cash for a mediocre product though. Big grin
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:22 am

Well I would never use LH's online booking system, the fares there are terrible.

I booked myself on a flight from TLV to IAD and back on Class D, at a reasonable price for business, in their site, they wanted from me 3900 Euro's while I got half of that via my Travel Agent by requesting the booking class I wanted.

Simply book this via a travel agent, and please do not flame LH, LH is great, better then many airlines out there, I enjoy each flight with them.
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting Royisher (Reply 21):
I booked myself on a flight from TLV to IAD and back on Class D, at a reasonable price for business, in their site, they wanted from me 3900 Euro's while I got half of that via my Travel Agent by requesting the booking class I wanted.

Finland is not such a market. I know fares can be beaten by travel agents in markets such as Thailand, Hong Kong, China etc.

Quoting Royisher (Reply 21):
please do not flame LH, LH is great, better then many airlines out there, I enjoy each flight with them.

You must fly F all the time.

LH F is the only very nice product they offer, C is good to absolutely terrible, Y - I won't go anywhere near LH Y anomore if a reasonable alternative is available. And before you flame me, I have been SEN for 5 years, and had 680K miles in my account. Last 360K burnt on SQ First Class as I'm sick of the enhanchements Craphansa and Miles&Less are feeding to their customers.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:54 pm

Lufthansa747, I won't flame you.

I'm a LH SEN myself for the past 2 years, and flew First only ones, I fly in C class only, tend to fly on the new product only, because it is served to Israel, but I've never had any bad exprience in LH's C class, I did have some bad exprience in their SEN Lounge and in more lounges, but other then that, everything's okay. maybe I'm lucky?

As for the Finland market, I guess you mean the whole european market? or only finland, or scandinavian? because each time I try to book flights via their website they want to charge me twice then what I would pay to my travel agent, and those destinations are for example: Barcelona, Stockholm, Amsterdam, London... and that really upsets me actually, that I can't book online on the booking class I want, so it'll be the cheapest way for me, if of course I'm not looking for a refundable ticket / to be able to do changes...
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:25 pm

Yeah my complaints are mostly about old C and Y. And of course the SEN lounges, mostly FRA SEN B, which used to be terrible. Apparently it's been renovated somewhat.

But as far as enhanching M&L, please, who can call 50% reduction of benefits "enhanchement"...
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:47 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 18):
Sorry but your attempt of being sarcastic failed big time because everything you wrote is actually true (well, with exeption of the profitably statement).

Patrick

Actually, I was not being sarcastic, I was just quoting the remarks that you usually state in all seriousness.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:49 pm

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 25):
I was just quoting the remarks that you usually state in all seriousness.

Which I mean in all seriousness because it is fact.

Patrick <- who looks forward to fly NWA tomorrow instead of Shithansa  Smile

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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 26):
Which I mean in all seriousness because it is fact.

Patrick <- who looks forward to fly NWA tomorrow instead of Shithansa



Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 9):
Grow up, kids!

Love to quote myself....



Lp0815

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I guess not because now it is even harder than before...
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 27):
PS: did you get the picture this time?

Still negative.

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 27):
I guess not because now it is even harder than before...

There we have the reason.  Smile

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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:41 pm

Craphansa has its strong sides and its weaker sides. Overall, their business model seems to work out for them. If LH is too expensive and AY offers a better deal, grab the AY deal and be happy. Be happy that there is a (somewhat) free market at all. Frankly, if you don't like LH, don't fly it, but this never ending story of no PTVs, grumpy F/As etc. is getting boring. Yes, LH doesn't have PTVs and apparently they still attract passengers. And if one feels so compelled about all of this, why not write a letter to Mayrhuber and address the issues. Let LH know how you feel about their service. Craphansa is a market and hence demand oriented company. If enough people complain, they'll react.
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting Beowulf (Reply 29):
And if one feels so compelled about all of this, why not write a letter to Mayrhuber and address the issues. Let LH know how you feel about their service. Craphansa is a market and hence demand oriented company. If enough people complain, they'll react.

Now this would be downright logical, Nick.  Smile The other - albeit less constructive, but more comfortable - option would be not to fly LH (or any other carrier perceived to be substandard) at all.
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 30):
but more comfortable - option would be not to fly LH (or any other carrier perceived to be substandard) at all.

Exactly what I am doing. Why should I write a letter or an eMail when I can have it easier? Crap airlines won't get my money, plain and simple.

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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:33 pm

Sabena332

I am so tired about your statements about LH. Nobody is pressing you to use this airline, so be happy with Northwest. Your statements are so ridiculous and always showing same contents.

If LH would be as bad as described, the airline would be out of business for 15 years. Instead, LH is flying better than 95 % of the airlines around and one of the most profitable ones.
Nortwest, Delta and United, etc - lol !

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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 32):
I am so tired about your statements about LH.

Then don't read them, plain and simple.

Patrick
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 32):
If LH would be as bad as described, the airline would be out of business for 15 years. Instead, LH is flying better than 95 % of the airlines around and one of the most profitable ones.

I don't think so. A quick look at Y class on PEK-FRA, BKK-FRA, MNL-FRA etc has IMHO always shown the same - westerners are few and far between. LH sure beats Air China and Philippine Airlines for example, so not that hard of a choice.

Germany can support good business class loads, and they dump the rest as cheap Z fares at decent prices.

But if you know about the industry, the only reason to fly LH Y would be that it's about always on time and consistently terrible in service. No nasty surprises.

I still find it rather hilarious that an almost 100% matching product has a 10x price difference. LH relies on 10 years old pricing model, selling full C for oneways only, and AY makes good profits while offering cheap one way fares with restrictions and advance purchase.

Patrick, I think you made a great choice to take NW instead of LH, at least the 330 should be much more comfortable and it doesn't hurt your AF FF either does it...  Wink
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 31):
Exactly what I am doing. Why should I write a letter or an eMail when I can have it easier? Crap airlines won't get my money, plain and simple.

Fair enough! As I said, it's a free market where you can choose another supplier. I don't see a lot of logic complaining about LH when there is an alternative. Go with the alternative then. However, if you want let LH know what to fix, then you need to tell them. Don't assume they know it all.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 34):
I still find it rather hilarious that an almost 100% matching product has a 10x price difference. LH relies on 10 years old pricing model, selling full C for oneways only, and AY makes good profits while offering cheap one way fares with restrictions and advance purchase.

LH is centered on the German market and it (still) counts on people's laziness. If you have the option of flying FRA-BJS, it's more convenient than flying FRA-HEL-BJS. The majority of people want to be brought from point A to B as fast and as hassle-free as possible. Knowing this LH feels it can charge higher prices. The future will tell whether they are right or wrong.
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:14 am

If you don't like Lufthansa, avoid flying them. Put your money where your mouth is. Vote with your dollars (or whatever currency you happen to pay tickets with). I have switched to other airlines within Star Alliance. I keep my status and fly more confortably and pay less. Lufthansa will get your point eventually. For Lufthansa, as for many other German-based companies, a customer is a necessary evil (notwendiges Uebel) , and nothing more. That is their main problem, and until they change their attitude you can't expect any major imporvement in service standards.

[Edited 2006-02-03 01:16:01]
 
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RE: LH's Competitive Pricing

Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:57 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 33):
Then don't read them, plain and simple.

Don't post them, even simpler.....
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