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United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:20 pm

A United B747-400 - UA840 to Syd/Lax (N127UA) has clipped the horizontal stabiliser of a Qantas B767-300ER - QF434 Mel-Syd (VH-OGH), which was waiting to line up for take off on Melbourne RWY16.

No injuries I understand, except for a  biting  RED faced UA B747-400 Captain.

The aircraft have been allowed to move until the ATSB investigates the incident. All the passengers from both flights have been put in busses back to the domestic & International terminals.

I guess there will be no SYD-LAX service this afternoon!

Cheers - BZF  Embarrassment

Oh apparently there was debris from the QF B763 on the ground?
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:25 pm

This thread is worthless without pics  Wink

Thanks for the info!

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:29 pm

This forum is better than a news wire service  Smile ... Thanks for the info! If you can get any pics, please share!  Smile
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:55 pm

Sorry, I currently don't have pic's, however I believe a friend of mine does - when they come to light or when I can get my hands on them, I'll share!

Also a little type-o, in my original post. That being that the aircraft were NOT allowed to be towed until the ATSB have completed their investigation! However further to that, because the incident/collision happened close to RWY27, I think the UA B747-400 was moved. It's also coming up to the afternoon rush, so the taxiway has probably had to be cleared for departing traffic?

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:05 pm

Here is the latest information about the flight you selected.
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Flight: 840
Date: Thu, Feb 2
Status: CANCELLED
Aircraft type: Boeing 747-400
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:44 pm

VH-BZF: Thread is anything but useless. Thanks for the info!

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:54 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Thread starter):
I guess there will be no SYD-LAX service this afternoon!

Or SYD - SFO, depending on which flight becomes the sacraficial lamb.
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:58 pm

Quoting SFORunner (Reply 6):
Quoting VH-BZF (Thread starter):
I guess there will be no SYD-LAX service this afternoon!

Or SYD - SFO, depending on which flight becomes the sacraficial lamb.

It is 840 (SYD-LAX) that has been cancelled.
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:44 pm

This sort of accident really should NEVER happen. That being said how will UA possibly deal with an aircraft out of service, being that they are running things pretty tight fleet wise? The cost to the airline must run into the $100,000's
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:02 pm

Hello

What was the UA flight doing at MEL? I wasn't aware they had started flights to MEL again. Is this a diversion?

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting Halophila (Reply 9):
What was the UA flight doing at MEL? I wasn't aware they had started flights to MEL again. Is this a diversion?

United never stopped their MEL service. They merely ended LAX-MEL non-stop and returned to LAX-SYD-MEL one stop service that also connects to the SFO-SYD flights.

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
That being said how will UA possibly deal with an aircraft out of service, being that they are running things pretty tight fleet wise? The cost to the airline must run into the $100,000's

There is likely enough slack built into the schedule to handle 1 744 out for a short time and United's insurance will cover the damage
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
United never stopped their MEL service. They merely ended LAX-MEL non-stop and returned to LAX-SYD-MEL one stop service that also connects to the SFO-SYD flights.

I stand corrected! Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of that. Cheers!
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:58 pm

If they have to they can send another a/c here for a while, transfer some pax to QF and transfer some PAX to NZ. It would be nice to see something different from UA here sent to cover. 772 or 763 maybe?
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:34 pm

From a post over at Flyertalk.com:



[Edited 2006-02-02 09:35:43]

[Edited 2006-02-02 09:36:53]
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting SFORunner (Reply 13):

Ruh-roh. Someone's bound for a little vacation after that mistake. Glad everyone's okay
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:49 pm

Brilliant!!! Big grin Thats a bit of a cut in the UA wing. Any pics of the QF a/c by any chance?
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 15):
Any pics of the QF a/c by any chance?

From what has been said, it sounds like the QF B763 is more seriously damanged. Any QF pics?
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:31 pm

That will be a mission to repair. Should be a nice wee earner for QF Mx.

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 17):
That will be a mission to repair. Should be a nice wee earner for QF Mx.

Are they allowed to carry out that sort of repair.?
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:40 pm

Hehehe, now that wasn't very clever was it!
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:48 pm

Would Boeing employees go to MEL to access both aircrafts damange and QF do minor repairs so both aircraft can fly out for permanent repairs?
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:56 pm

Shouldn't be too hard to patch that up. It doesn't look like the scrape was hard enough to cause any structural damage.

By the way, a 744 is certified to fly with one winglet removed, if necessary.
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:16 pm

According to SMH.com.au, there were 99 pax and 14 crew onboard the UA flight. Assuming they are picking most of their pax and cargo in SYD, I wonder how ther crisis management fared in this event seeing that a lot of people will be waitng...

[Edited 2006-02-02 11:19:17]
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:17 pm

World's largest can opener.....Well, that might be one pilot that will take another "pay cut".....glad though, could have been worse...no injuries-makes the ground interesting, doesn't it?

Cheers!

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting BryanG (Reply 21):

By the way, a 744 is certified to fly with one winglet removed, if necessary.

Strobe and nav lights seem to be missing so the repair won't be as easy as taking the winglet off and let the bird go for repairs back home.
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:44 pm

I think Boeing have to send a repair team out if its major structural damage, on both aircraft? They did this with previously when AN had a B743 & a B762 end up on their noses in Sydney. They also did the same when QF ran off the end of the runway at BKK, with QF1.

The Captain of the taxiing UA B747-400 obviously misjudged the wing span of his big bird and where the QF B763 was adjacent to him on the taxiway, as he turned behind VH-OGH. From what I understand another QF B763 had just landed & was taxiing to the domestic terminal & saw the whole incident happen - He had to file a major report for the ATSB!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
United never stopped their MEL service. They merely ended LAX-MEL non-stop and returned to LAX-SYD-MEL one stop service that also connects to the SFO-SYD flights.

UA also, for quite a while flew the UA841/UA842 ORD-LAX-AKL-MEL-AKL-LAX-ORD route, until AKL was dropped!

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:53 pm

Poor Qantas, VH-OGH remind me of VH-OJH incidents in Bkk few years ago.
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:57 pm

Follow the Line.
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting Flight7E7 (Reply 23):
World's largest can opener.....Well, that might be one pilot that will take another "pay cut".....

Brings new meaning to "having your wings clipped". And I agree. Very glad no one was injured (save UA's pilot's pride). Aircraft can be repaired or replaced, people can't.
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:26 pm

anyone have a tail # on the UA bird?
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Thread starter):
UA840 to Syd/Lax (N127UA)

The very first sentence of the thread....
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:35 pm

oh sorry, i am on my 26th hour at work right now:-(
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:04 am

In a case such as this do airlines have extra aircraft at one of their hubs that they can send to the location of a crippled plane, or does Boeing or Airbus have anything like a "loaner aircraft" that UA QF could use? Also how long woud it take to restart an aircraft that the airline may have recently stored in the case that it is necessary to make up for the lost plane?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, searched for it but couldn't find anything.
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Reply 31):
oh sorry

It's ok, no worries  Smile
 
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:29 am

Would this be a fender bender or a winglet bender?
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Reply 31):
oh sorry, i am on my 26th hour at work right now:-(

Just wondering what you do that you work for 26 hours straight, yet still find time to surf the internet. If you find the long work hours are affecting your judgement, perhaps you should do a self-assessment and send yourself home?
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:31 am

[quote=Threepoint,reply=35]Just wondering what you do that you work for 26 hours straight, yet still find time to surf the internet.

Airline Operations can have hours like that! You get the 12 hr day shift, night guy (or GAL) calls in sick and guess what you got to do a double shift.

And if you don't do it yes the airline will ground to a halt very quickly.

And before you ask no i would not change my job for anything....

Yet in the industry if the Ops guys surfing the net the airline is running smoothly if I'm having to work - something is wrong.... Like a ground incident  Angry

i don't see this as a pointless post SO VH-BZF thanks for the info.
its something else talk about rather than A vs B...



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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:28 am

which flight was it operating - cos i kknow that OGH has been into AKL in the past few days
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
This sort of accident really should NEVER happen. That being said how will UA possibly deal with an aircraft out of service, being that they are running things pretty tight fleet wise? The cost to the airline must run into the $100,000's

No accidents should happen, well, maybe about 3% are true accidents, the rest are preventable.

No one should die or have accidents on roads, except 3%. No one should trip and fall, 3%. Need I go on.

It is pretty good utilization of aircraft if things are running that tight. Sure, it is not good for this particular route and whatever route that aircraft would serve over the next few days, but a spare (or any plane not flying) is pretty much lost money. With the Star Alliance network, there are several options to accommodate the customers while the plane is out of service, though I suspect some swaps will be in order and a compromise worked out, if another 744 is not available as a spare.

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 37):
which flight was it operating - cos i kknow that OGH has been into AKL in the past few days

Once again from line 2 of the thread starter.... "QF434 Mel-Syd (VH-OGH), "

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 1):
This thread is worthless without pics

The only worthless thread is the thread not posted.  Wink

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 2):
This forum is better than a news wire service

I happen to agree.  Smile

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 14):
Someone's bound for a little vacation after that mistake.

Nah, they'll just take 'em out to the woods and bet them senseless with a bamboo rod until they repent.

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:16 pm

Both aircraft still sitting at Mel today - VH-OGH in the QF hangar & N127UA sitting on a remote stand off bay. Whilst I was driving past another UA B744 (UA839) came into land!

I wonder how long the repairs will take? I would think the Captain will have to ferry the aircraft back to the US, once the damage is repaired!

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 41):
I would think the Captain will have to ferry the aircraft back to the US, once the damage is repaired!

Why ferry if it is repaired? Fill that baby up and make some money.

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 12):
It would be nice to see something different from UA here sent to cover. 772 or 763 maybe?

No chance at a 763ER making it and the 648K 772ERs at UA have a hard time with LAX-AKL, let alone SYD-LAX. The winds would help, but declaring an etops alternate would not.

Quoting BryanG (Reply 21):

By the way, a 744 is certified to fly with one winglet removed, if necessary.

Yes, but the efficiency hit would not be pretty on a route that long

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 42):
Why ferry if it is repaired? Fill that baby up and make some money.

Well, it might carry some cargo in the belly, but unless they get a major ad hoc charter contract that justifies the expense of flying down an entire crew, it makes more sense to just ferry it back into the system
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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:23 pm

************UPDATE*************

As of today both aircraft are parked in the Ansett B767 Hangar at Melbourne airport, side by side, although the United B744 is sitting half in & half out. No word on when they will return to service, however i am trying to get as much info on it as I can - will report back as soon as i know more!

It make sense really, if the boeing repair/recovery team are in Melbourne to have both aircraft in the same hangar to repair at the same time, also help investigators as well, i'd say!

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RE: United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:48 am

Any update on this?

Thanks