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European MD82 Purchase

Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:03 am

European Aircharter is due to take delivery of the first 2 out of 5 MD82 aircraft later this month. The Aircraft are due to be delivered to Bournemouth Airport.

The Aircraft due are:

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:13 am

Good to see some fleet renewal for European. The downside is it means the end of the 732 on the UK register? Had a great ride with EAF in 732 summer 04, but the aircraft are tired and showing their age - although the MD82s aren't exactly young.

I assume the Palmair fleet will move to MD82s? What is the market value of a 20 year old MD82? I assume they're getting these pretty cheap? It wasn't all that long ago that EAF had no money at all, and I doubt Mr Stoddard is cashing in from Ozjet?
 
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1):
I assume the Palmair fleet will move to MD82s?

Not sure whats Happening with Palmair, weather they will switch to someone like Austraeus or continue with European and operate the 737-200. There using Austraues for the Bournemouth-Luxor route at the moment, though still using G-CEAF On other Palmair Routes. She's recently lost her PALMAIR titles.

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1):
I doubt Mr Stoddard is cashing in from Ozjet?

Probably loosing money from it! Apperently single digit passengers on most of the Flights.

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1):
I assume they're getting these pretty cheap?

I think it's cheap spares, easily availble Aircraft Frames and more capacity.

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1):
I assume they're getting these pretty cheap?

MD-80's are worth less 737-300's hence why some are being scrapped and in storage. Values depend number of hours / cycles, condition and popluarity of type. Fuel economy and noise regulations might the reason behind this.

Good news for European and enthusiasts.
 
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 3):
MD-80's are worth less 737-300's hence

Not sure quite what you mean there, but on the subject of the 737-300, they were apperently to Expensive for European...

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:33 pm

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 4):
Not sure quite what you mean there, but on the subject of the 737-300, they were apperently to Expensive for European...

I mean 737-300's are worth more than similar aged MD-80's as they can be converted for cargo and more popular as a passenger aircraft.
 
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 4):
Not sure quite what you mean there, but on the subject of the 737-300, they were apperently to Expensive for European...

B733s have become "hot" in recent years, that is why Norwegian decided to purchase a B733 instead of leasing it - their first 14 B733s are leased, but now they are finding it more economical to buy than lease...

MD80s are still fairly economical, though, aren't they?
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:58 pm

Are these from the Chinese assembly line?

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:05 pm

I just spoke to the commercial sales team at EAC and they know nothing of this....

Who is the source?

They are not selling any commercial capcity and none of their key tour operators are aware of the extra capacity these aircraft will bring.

Are you sure this is not just aircraft arriving for MX ?

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:09 pm

Would be nice see a few more MD-80's heading this way, UK registered examples have always been thin on the ground (Paramount, BIA and Airtours being the only ones over the years I can think of).

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting MACDADDY (Reply 8):
I just spoke to the commercial sales team at EAC and they know nothing of this....

A source would be good, but when it comes to European and all things Bournemouth, Jimmi here is normally spot on.

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:26 am

I would like to see Palmair operating an MD82 from European. Would be a slight increase in capacity too compared to the 732 and so as well as being more 'modern' they would also allow for some expansion of capacity of their services.
 
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:15 am

The website quoted in Jimmi's original post, although not anything official is also usually very reliable. So I guess these MD's are coming, but what happens when they get here is anyones guess. European aren't always the most predictable airline though, just because they are acquiring them doesn't mean they will operate?!

Apparently G-CEAF arrived at MAN this weekend and parked on remote without titles? What is operating the Palmair flights now? While were on the subject Jimmi, or anyone else, what 737s are left in the UK now and what are they doing? I know theres one at BHX...
 
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:56 am

Will this increase in capacity also mean an increase in the range of the destinations that can be offered by EAF from Bournmouth? Like SSH and HRG direct without having to sub out to people like AEU?
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:44 pm

Presuming that this does happen, as these would be the first MD-82s to be operated by a British airline (BIA/Paramount/Airtours all operated MD-83s), are there any issues prior to type certification by the CAA that need to be addressed by any potential operator?
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:32 pm

They are going to be sold straight on. EAC will not operate these frames.

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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting Macdaddy (Reply 15):
They are going to be sold straight on. EAC will not operate these frames.

Cheers, that answers the question then. The un-answered question that remains is what are EAF going to do for fleet renewal. The 732s although in good condition, must be reaching the point where either there isnt much life left in them, or they are going to become just too costly to keep going. Also, with the few that have headed down under, how many to EAF have left?
 
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RE: European MD82 Purchase

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 12):
Apparently G-CEAF arrived at MAN this weekend and parked on remote without titles? What is operating the Palmair flights now? While were on the subject Jimmi, or anyone else, what 737s are left in the UK now and what are they doing? I know theres one at BHX...

G-CEAC - No Information
G-CEAE - No Information
G-CEAF - No titles, Operating PALMAIR flights from Bournemouth.

G-CEAG - No Information
G-CEAH - No Information
G-FIGP - Frequently used

Also At Bournemouth are Boeing 737-200's N58AD & N640AD ex-Ryanair Aircraft both parked out-side European Aviation Hangars along with Sabena (EAL) OO-SDK /G-BYYK.


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Quoting Macdaddy (Reply 15):
They are going to be sold straight on. EAC will not operate these frames.

MAC

Can I ask where you get your information from?
*Please note not accusing of being wrong!

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