omoo
Posts: 650
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:35 am

DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:39 am

I thought i should share this new DL service expansion......

All Service originating in ATL:

McAllen, Texas February 16 ASA

Merida, Mexico February 25 Delta

San Pedro, Honduras* March 1 Delta

Roatan, Honduras* March 4 Delta

Dusseldorf, Germany April 3 Delta

Acapulco, Mexico* April 5 Delta

Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa, Mexico* April 12 Delta

Lewisburg, West Virginia April 19 ASA

Copenhagen, Denmark* May 1 Delta

Nice, France May 9 Delta

Athens, Greece May 29 Delta

Edinburgh, Scotland June 5 Delta

Venice, Italy June 6 Delta

* Subject to government approval.
Fly Air Popobawa
 
stirling
Posts: 3897
Joined: Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:00 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:52 am

New?

Not to nitpick but I'm going to anyway.....
It is more like; "Delta begins new service, and resumes service to several destinations...."

ZIH, ACA, ATH, NCE, and CPH have all had Delta service in the past.
(Ex-Western and PanAm)
Delete this User
 
User avatar
Aeroflot777
Posts: 2985
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:19 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Omoo (Thread starter):
Athens, Greece May 29 Delta

I was under the impression that DL already served ATH. Guess I'm wrong.

Aeroflot777
 
Kohflot
Posts: 941
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 1999 5:31 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 2):
I was under the impression that DL already served ATH. Guess I'm wrong.

They do, from JFK.. all of the aforementioned flights will be from Atlanta. I think someone at Delta came up with a *brilliant* "Let's Make the World's Busiest Airport Even Busier, Especially in the Summer Thunderstorm Season" strategy.
Ask why..
 
User avatar
Aeroflot777
Posts: 2985
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:19 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 3):
They do, from JFK.. all of the aforementioned flights will be from Atlanta. I think someone at Delta came up with a *brilliant* "Let's Make the World's Busiest Airport Even Busier, Especially in the Summer Thunderstorm Season" strategy.

Haha! Thanks for the explanation. Surprisingly, after hearing negative reviews, I transfered at ATL and found it quite nice. You just have to have enough time for your connection.

Aeroflot777
 
deltagator
Posts: 6170
Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:56 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 3):
"Let's Make the World's Busiest Airport Even Busier, Especially in the Summer Thunderstorm Season" strategy.

Most of the international routes will leave at night when the storms usually doe down after the heat of te day is gone. It shouldn't be as bad at that time but I do see your point.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
 
CO7e7
Posts: 2686
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:39 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:24 pm

You forgot to mention TLV.
It is also pending government approval.. Anything new with that ?
 
omoo
Posts: 650
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:35 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 4):
Haha! Thanks for the explanation. Surprisingly, after hearing negative reviews, I transfered at ATL and found it quite nice.

dont forget the ATL restaurant rats !
Fly Air Popobawa
 
deltagator
Posts: 6170
Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:56 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 6):
You forgot to mention TLV.
It is also pending government approval.. Anything new with that ?

TLV was announced a while ago so that's why it didn't show in today's PR release. For something that still isn't approved they sure are pimping it pretty hard in the ads.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
 
B4REAL
Posts: 2557
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:53 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 2):
Iwas under the impression that DL already served ATH. Guess I'm wrong.

Aeroflot777



Quoting Stirling (Reply 1):
ZIH, ACA, ATH, NCE, and CPH have all had Delta service in the past.
(Ex-Western and PanAm)

ATL-ATH is not new. It has been a JFK route for a long time, but years ago, they used to run it with an MD-11 supplemental to the JFK flight!
B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
 
OOer
Posts: 923
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:10 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 9):
ATL-ATH is not new. It has been a JFK route for a long time, but years ago, they used to run it with an MD-11 supplemental to the JFK flight!

Are they gonna be able to do that on a 763? I know the flight from MXP to ATL I was on last April was a little over 11 hours flight time because of the winds. Add on another hour to ATH, does the 763 have the balls for that flight?

Its listed at 9140 km, DLs 763 is listed with a range of 10563 km. I think it will have to make a fuel stop somewhere in western europe on the way back.

Any thoughts?
 
Lono
Posts: 1136
Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:47 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:29 pm

Anyone know what DL has planned to ANC this summer..... FAI??????
Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
 
airplanetire
Posts: 1783
Joined: Sun May 13, 2001 11:59 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:05 pm

I think ANC will have nonstop service to ATL and probably SLC. I don't know about FAI.

Delta has been selling seats to TLV for quite some time now. I'm booked on those flights in June. Why would they be selling them before they had government approval? Even KBP wasn't available until recently, even though it had been announced for months (the route was pending government approval until recently).
 
md90fan
Posts: 2798
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:15 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:54 pm

Doesnt FAI get a 752 to SLC seasonally?
http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
 
User avatar
LTU932
Posts: 13072
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:34 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
Are they gonna be able to do that on a 763? I know the flight from MXP to ATL I was on last April was a little over 11 hours flight time because of the winds. Add on another hour to ATH, does the 763 have the balls for that flight?

Its listed at 9140 km, DLs 763 is listed with a range of 10563 km. I think it will have to make a fuel stop somewhere in western europe on the way back.

According to the Great Circle Mapper, ATL-ATH is actually 4953 nm of distance, so it would be well within reach of any 767-300ER, which have a range of 6105 nm, according to Boeing. The only plane that has the range you mention is the 767-400ER, which has actually some 109 km less range than the aircraft you mentioned earlier.
 
Dreamflight767
Posts: 417
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:43 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:21 pm

What a/c are going to be used on those routes? Specifically Edinburgh. Are we going to see some DL 757 going across the pond or will it be the 762? It's nice to see Edinburgh getting some attention from the U.S. carriers.
 
User avatar
LTU932
Posts: 13072
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:34 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 15):
Are we going to see some DL 757 going across the pond or will it be the 762?

If 757s were to go across the pond, there's the question whether they have a full ETOPS rating. However, it's safe to say there will be no 762s crossing the pond, as they're all due to be fully phased out of the fleet, with "Spirit of Delta" being put to display in a museum. So the only safe bet on the equipment is their flagship, the 767-300ER, though I can imagine TLV getting a 777-200ER instead.
 
md90fan
Posts: 2798
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:15 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 15):
What a/c are going to be used on those routes? Specifically Edinburgh. Are we going to see some DL 757 going across the pond or will it be the 762? It's nice to see Edinburgh getting some attention from the U.S. carriers.

No and no. There 752 arent certified for ETOPS and cannot make ATL-EDI. The 762 are non /ER version(thus cannot make it) and are old and being retired.
http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
 
Alitalia744
Posts: 3777
Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2000 8:22 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 17):
The 762 are non /ER version(thus cannot make it) and are old and being retired.

DL's 762's have flown across the pond before, there are pictures of the birds at Frankfurt...

do a search.
Some see lines, others see between the lines.
 
User avatar
LTU932
Posts: 13072
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:34 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 18):
DL's 762's have flown across the pond before, there are pictures of the birds at Frankfurt...

do a search.

I'm not MD90fan, but I found the only four shots of DL 762s in FRA. Here is the most recent one.

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © E.Groenendijk


Continuing with the DL 757 issue, is there even a European destination they can reach nonstop ex ATL, even if going nonstop only on the eastbound? Since ATL-EDI has been ruled out, I believe the 757s, if they'd be certified for ETOPS in the future, would only be good for Europe service out of JFK.
 
sampa737
Posts: 463
Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 2:20 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:20 pm

So, does anyone have a complete list of international destinations Delta serves out of Atlanta?
 
iluv747400
Posts: 297
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2000 8:12 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:28 pm

Looks like a total of 72 international destinations, all but 4 of which are served by Delta.

CANADA (4)

Montreal – YUL
Ottawa – YOW
Toronto – YYZ (plus Air Canada)
Vancouver – YVR

MEXICO (10)

Los Cabos – SJD
Puerto Vallarta – PVR
Guadalajara – GDL
Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo – ZIH*
Acapulco – ACA*
Mexico City – MEX (plus Aeromexico)
Monterrey – MTY
Mérida – MID*
Cancún – CUN
Cozumel – CZM

CENTRAL AMERICA (9)

Belize City – BZE
Guatemala City – GUA
San Salvador – SAL
San Pedro Sula – SAP*
Roatan – RTB*
Managua – MGA
Liberia – LIR
San José – SJO
Panama City – PTY

CARIBBEAN (14)

Bermuda – BDA
Nassau – NAS
Freeport – FPO (plus Air Tran)
Providenciales – PLS
Montego Bay – MBJ
Kingston – KIN (by Air Jamaica only)
Grand Cayman – GCM
Santo Domingo – SDQ
Punta Cana – PUJ
St. Maarten – SXM
Antigua – ANU
St. Lucia – UVF
Barbardos – BGI
Aruba – AUA

SOUTH AMERICA (7)

Caracas – CCS
Bogota – BOG
Lima – LIM
Santiago – SCL
Buenos Aires – EZE
Sao Paulo – GRU
Rio de Janeiro – GIG

AFRICA (2)

Sal – SID (by South African only)
Johannesburg – JNB (by South African only)

EUROPE (22)

Dublin – DUB
Shannon – SNN
Edinburgh – EDI*
Manchester – MAN
London – LGW (plus British Airways)
Madrid – MAD
Barcelona – BCN
Paris – CDG (plus Air France)
Nice – NCE*
Brussels – BRU
Ámsterdam – AMS (plus KLM)
Copenhagen – CPH*
Dusseldorf – DUS*
Frankfurt – FRA (plus Lufthansa)
Stuttgart – STR
Munich – MUC
Zurich – ZRH
Milan – MXP
Rome – FCO
Venice – VCE*
Athens – ATH*
Moscow – SVO

ASIA (4)

Tel Aviv – TLV*
Mumbai – BOM* (change of aircraft in CDG on outbound but not return)
Tokyo – NRT
Seoul – ICN (by Korean Air only)

* New destination from ATL in 2006.

[Edited 2006-02-04 14:42:42]
 
srbmod
Posts: 15446
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:32 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting Omoo (Thread starter):

Lewisburg, West Virginia April 19 ASA

Not new service. Has been seasonal service for a few years now.

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 3):
I think someone at Delta came up with a *brilliant* "Let's Make the World's Busiest Airport Even Busier, Especially in the Summer Thunderstorm Season" strategy.

The fifth runway is scheduled to be open in June.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 17):
There 752 arent certified for ETOPS and cannot make ATL-EDI.

I thought that the four ex-TZ 752s were.
 
ryanlock
Posts: 76
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 4:40 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:17 am

I started this discussion a few months ago which may be of relevance to this discussion:

DL's New Int'l Route Schedule
Ryanlock 2005-10-19 19:48:40

Ryan
NO URLS in signature
 
B4REAL
Posts: 2557
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:53 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
Are they gonna be able to do that on a 763? I know the flight from MXP to ATL I was on last April was a little over 11 hours flight time because of the winds. Add on another hour to ATH, does the 763 have the balls for that flight?

Its listed at 9140 km, DLs 763 is listed with a range of 10563 km. I think it will have to make a fuel stop somewhere in western europe on the way back.

Any thoughts?

It would have to be 763, they don't have the 777 to do it on that a/c, as LTU932 says also the 764 could do it. Schedules at delta.com have it as a 763.
B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
 
OOer
Posts: 923
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:10 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
According to the Great Circle Mapper, ATL-ATH is actually 4953 nm of distance, so it would be well within reach of any 767-300ER, which have a range of 6105 nm, according to Boeing.

DL has JFK-ATH listed at 4933nm, and ATL-ATH listed at 5693nm. So what I am saying is that someone has the distance messed up. I checked 2 sources and they both say its close to 5700nm, but you checked that and it says its 4953nm, so who is right?

DL in the res system has ATL-ATH listed at 5693nm.
 
sampa737
Posts: 463
Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 2:20 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:13 am

Thanks, Iluv747400 for the info and for including the full names of the cities. Some of in here are novices and I, for one, don't always know the codes.
 
Amy
Posts: 1109
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:48 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:00 am

Any idea on the equipment for the new EDI route? B763ER?
A340-300 - slow, but awesome!
 
B4REAL
Posts: 2557
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:53 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting Amy (Reply 27):
Any idea on the equipment for the new EDI route? B763ER?

DL 96 and DL 97 ATL-EDI-ATL are 767-300ER a/c.
B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
 
ScottishLaddie
Posts: 2309
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:30 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Omoo (Thread starter):

Edinburgh, Scotland June 5 Delta

I thought it was starting May 4th?
 
A3B6NY
Posts: 6
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:51 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:37 am

You forgot to mention DELTA (ASA) ATL TO BQN Aguadilla and PSE Ponce Puerto Rico June 1,2006 (JET CRJ 700).
 
777gk
Posts: 1488
Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2000 3:04 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:39 am

ATL-EDI? With a 763?

I don't know, that seems to be pushing it a bit.

Only time will tell if we can classify this aggressive expansion as 'overexpansion', but the scale of it is outstanding.
 
User avatar
LTU932
Posts: 13072
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:34 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 22):
I thought that the four ex-TZ 752s were.

When did DL get 752s from TZ? Or are you mixing DL up with CO, because DL only operates 752s with Pratt engines, while TZ and CO fly them with Rollers.

Quoting OOer (Reply 25):
DL has JFK-ATH listed at 4933nm, and ATL-ATH listed at 5693nm. So what I am saying is that someone has the distance messed up. I checked 2 sources and they both say its close to 5700nm, but you checked that and it says its 4953nm, so who is right?

DL in the res system has ATL-ATH listed at 5693nm.

The distance I got was from the Great Circle Mapper, which only calculates direct routings and does not include the specific routing of a particular flight (NAVAIDS, jetways, NAT tracks, etc.). In any case, even at 5693 nm, DL's 763ERs are perfectly capable of handling such a route. It would be a stretch for the 764s though, but with those coming online for higher density transatlantic destinations such as FRA, more 763s would be freed up for their new routes.
 
deltadude
Posts: 116
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:53 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:38 am

{quote=Alitalia744,reply=18]DL's 762's have flown across the pond before, there are pictures of the birds at Frankfurt...

do a search.[/quote]

according to the captions of the other pics they were only used intra-Europe.
 
OOer
Posts: 923
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:10 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 32):
In any case, even at 5693 nm, DL's 763ERs are perfectly capable of handling such a route.

No it would not! If the range of the 763 is 6100nm and the trip is 5693nm...all you need is a wind component of -10 and you are not ok. All flights must have enough fuel for 45 minutes more than their planned flight time, thats domestic...I dont know what it is international. So I dont think it will be ok unless they weight restrict that flight out of ATH all the time.
 
Kohflot
Posts: 941
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 1999 5:31 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 22):
The fifth runway is scheduled to be open in June.

The fifth runway will help on low vis days and with the lovely haze GDP that ATL is prone too.. it's not going to help much when there's a storm squatting over the field for an hour or two nearly every day. I personally think it's foolish for Delta to keep pushing more and more flying through ATL.. especially once-a-day flights like these new international routes, where a misconnection will mean an automatic hotel stay.
Ask why..
 
srbmod
Posts: 15446
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:32 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 32):
When did DL get 752s from TZ?

N750AT:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mark Abbott


N751AT:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Daniel Piotrowski


N752AT:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Agustin Anaya


N757AT:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Agustin Anaya



They all joined DL's fleet in the mid to late 1990s.
 
TheFlyGuy2
Posts: 128
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:31 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:01 am

Yeah for Delta!

It is great to see the widget spreading its wings again. I am just glad that they are serving ORD from LGA! Delta used to have a nice presence at O'hare in the 80's. Oh, those were the days!
 
denplanenut
Posts: 200
Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 11:41 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 36):
N757AT:

My first flight on a 757 was on N757AT EWR-ATL route, Jan 3, 1997. How appropiate.

Does anyone know what type of equipment will be used for SAP and BTR? I assume it will be 737s. I will be going to SAP this summer and will probably fly Delta.
 
denplanenut
Posts: 200
Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 11:41 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:10 am

Quoting DENplanenut (Reply 38):
will be used for SAP and BTR

I meant RTB.
 
DAL767400ER
Posts: 5084
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:47 am

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting DENplanenut (Reply 38):
Does anyone know what type of equipment will be used for SAP and BTR?

Delta will use 738s on these flights, their standard LatAm equipment.

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 35):
I personally think it's foolish for Delta to keep pushing more and more flying through ATL.

Regardless of the fact that Delta currently has a good 100+ flights less from ATL than last year...

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 35):
especially once-a-day flights like these new international routes,

So what should DL do, launch a new route with two daily flights, or not try it all? Both brilliant moves.

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 35):
where a misconnection will mean an automatic hotel stay.

That can happen at all airports, with all airlines, around the whole world. Nevermind the fact that there is usually plenty of connecting time, but that doesn't matter anyway, does it?

As far as the 763ER's capabilities go, yes, the 763ER is PERFECTLY capable of doing ATL-ATH. The distance on this route is 4953nm, or 5700mi. The range of the 763ER is 6105nm, over 1100nm longer than necessary. Not to mention that DL has flown FRA-LAX before with 763ERs, which is 5045nm, and hence 101nm longer than ATL-ATH.
 
CO7e7
Posts: 2686
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:39 pm

RE: DL New Service To 13 New Destinations

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
though I can imagine TLV getting a 777-200ER instead

You're on the money!!
the T7 will fly the ATL TLV route.