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Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:31 pm

Which airlines were the last to retire the DC-8 from revenue service? When was that?
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:32 pm

My guess would be United around 1985-86
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:41 pm

[quote=EMBQA,reply=1]My guess would be United around 1985-86[/quote

I'm sure it's later. The super 71-73 were finished in '83, so you would think that they would be around a lot longer.

Also, is the question about Scheduled or Charter
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:44 pm

I think it was UA that was the last to retire this aircraft. The stretch DC8 was one long aircraft.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:48 pm

MGM Grand's airline flew them along with 721/722s I think.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:55 pm

I believe it was Hawaiian Airlines. I was a crew member aboard Hawaiian's last flight utilizing a DC-8 aircraft. It was a MAC charter flight from Diego Garcia (a tiny island in the Chagos archipelago in the Central Indian Ocean) to Los Angeles with stops in Singapore, Guam, and Honolulu. This was in April of 1993.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:56 pm

UPS and Abex still have the 8 flying high, and at least UPS will for some time to come. Our mechanics said Douglas built planes that could have "an unlimited" frame life
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:03 pm

I flew a UA stretch 8 from FLL to ORD in March of 91...and ORD to MCO in April of 90........will that help

But I would bet on Hawiian being the last one.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:12 pm

I have been to the ramp several times with DHL and those DC-8s are huge. I was surprised how big it is the first time I was there.

Awesome sight. While loading the 727, I sit behind the DC-8s and starting the 4 engines, I get quite a truck load of fumes.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:16 pm

I'm pretty sure you're right, safe...it was '91 when the DC-8's left the UA fleet...a fine aircraft that will be sadly missed, along with the DC-10. But, the economics weren't there anymore, I'm afraid.

Many happy memories flying PDX-ORD, PDX-DEN, PDX-SFO on DC-8's. My first flight ever was late July 1973 when I was a mere three weeks old...a UA DC-8-62 from SFO-ORD. I've been hooked on flying ever since!  biggrin 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:37 pm

Spring 1991 I rode a DC-8 from IAD-LAX. I was the only passenger in first class. There weren't more than 20 or so on the entire flight.

BTW: there is a DC-8 parked on the campus of the University of Southern California. My son took me this morning and we walked by it. Anyone know any history of it?
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:46 pm

Rich International, I believe, was the last airline to fly the DC-8 in regular scheduled pax service. They folded back in 97' or 98'.

ATI uses DC-8-62C's for charter pax service from time to time.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:58 pm

I'm also agree with MX757. It must bei Rich International.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting MX757 (Reply 11):
ATI uses DC-8-62C's for charter pax service from time to time.

Quite correct....recent scan of AMC charters shows them used in the south pacific in a PAX/cargo config. No idea what the service is like...

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
I believe it was Hawaiian Airlines.

I believe you are correct. I remember flying a DC-8 on the 15 minute hop between HNL-LIH as well as on the return back in the summer of either 1993 or 1994. That thing was packed full.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:56 pm

Didn't Delta also have DC-8's? They flew those for a long time, I don't know when the last one at Delta was retired, but I do remember they were still flying them out of ATL in the late 80's.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:21 pm

Delta flew them into Memphis I believe as late as the early 80's. I remember flying one to Atlanta...I wanna say in 1980.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
Didn't Delta also have DC-8's? They flew those for a long time, I don't know when the last one at Delta was retired, but I do remember they were still flying them out of ATL in the late 80's.

They retired the last of their DC-8s in 1988. I think a lot of their newer ones went to UPS.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:20 am

Back in the 60's and 70's EA, DL & NW were the predominant carriers from ORD to Florida. Before the widebodies arrived DL used to advertise their "super jets" to Florida and at the bottom of the advert you'd see a DC8-63. For awhile there is was a very competitive market!
In 74' I flew on a stretch DC-8 to ATL from ORD for a job interview with DL.

NW flew 707's & 720's.
EA flew 727's and DC-9 Whisperjets.

I too miss those DC-8's. When you were spooling up for takeoff, you just knew that you were really going somewhere! Also, the last plane I was on to actually have curtains in the windows!
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:32 am

There used to be pics (I thought on this website) of the last scheduled UA DC-8 flight....LAX to either KOA or OGG, not sure which, in 1991 or early `92. If I remember it right, the flight was delayed by some four hours for a mechanical problem.

Here's a big question...when did EA retire their DC-8s? I know they had them for most of the `60s and at least part of the `70s, but am pretty sure they went out well before DL and UA retired the type. Anyone know last flight info?

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:22 am

Gulf Air Transport (later TransOcean Airways) flew DC-8s until they folded in 1990.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:56 am

My dad flew every version of the DC-8 for Capitol, United, and UPS racking up around 11,000 hours in them. Used to love to hear the stories of #2 / #3 reversers deployed for descent and no "big eraser" (speed brakes). Even after 12 years on every 747 model, he always considered the DC-8-71 to be the Ferrari in the sky, and the -61 was the underpowered "Lead Sled".
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
Didn't Delta also have DC-8's?

I hope so since I have a model Delta DC8 from the 70s.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 8):
those DC-8s are huge.

yep, longer than the 753. The 753 was the longest twin jet single aisle ever built, but the DC8 was the longest single aisle period.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:53 am

Delta and United introduced the DC-8 in September, 1959. The DL flight between IDL and ATL actually took off first, so DL got to be the first airline to fly the Eight. Other US airlines that fly the regular length fuselage DC-8 were NW, NA, EA, PA, Panagra, and BN, as well as post deregulation carriers like QF. BN, UA, HA and some other late entrants operated the DC-8-62. The 61-63/71-73 were operated by UA, DL, EA, and NA. The eight was also flown by Supplementals such as Trans International, Oversea National, World, and Flying Tigers in charter service. United was the last major carrier to operate the Stretch 8, a -71, in 1991. Delta sold theirs to UPS a few years before. As we all know, UPS and other cargo carriers still fly the stretch Eight although I have read that UPS is in the process of retiring theirs. The last DC-8 was built in 1972, some 34 years ago. Not a bad record for an aircraft finished 2nd to the 707 in sales and never made money for Douglas.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 13):
Quite correct....recent scan of AMC charters shows them used in the south pacific in a PAX/cargo config. No idea what the service is like...

I've seen the ATI MAC charter DC-8s here at HNL. It appears that the passenger "cabin" is located at the rear of the aircraft. No idea how many pax it could hold but, based on the number of windows (8 or 9), I'd say about 40-45 tops.

I, too, can recall the good ol days (mid 80s) of riding a UA DC-8 from ORD-LAX via LAS.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:17 am

When you say revenue service, do you mean passenger or cargo?

AFAIK, as mentioned before, ABX Air (Airborne Express and DHL) and UPS have a few DC-8s, and so does Arrow Cargo.


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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 25):

AFAIK, as mentioned before, ABX Air (Airborne Express and DHL) and UPS have a few DC-8s

UPS has quite a few DC-8's actually...not sure of exact numbers but im sure it would be easy to find.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:27 am

Like someone said before, in the US it was Rich International. They stopped flying the DC-8 somewhere around the mid-90s. Im curiuos about the last pax DC-8 worldwide? There was an operator called Aire d' evasions or something like that with a pax DC-8 a few years ago.

Are the Marshall Islands considered a US territory? If so, Air Marshall Islands was also flying a pax DC-8-62 in 1996.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:33 am

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:44 am

Did the military use DC-8's for troop transports? I want to say not too long ago I saw a USAF DC-8 Photo but as always I could be wrong?

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:31 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 25):
AFAIK, as mentioned before, ABX Air (Airborne Express and DHL) and UPS have a few DC-8s, and so does Arrow Cargo.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:51 am

UPS is still operating DC-8 I see them at the other end of hangar when ever I'm in MSP
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:33 am

The majority of EA's original fleet of (short-fuselage) DC-8's were gone by the end of 1973. The "Super 63's" went between 1972-1974. Surprisingly, some of the "Super 61's" were not sold off untill 1980, but they had been out on lease and had not been seen in EA colors for years.

Over the years I found myself on many an "8". They sure were fun aircraft to fly on and the large windows afforded one a great view. I used to love to sit in the window seat right at the leading edge of the wing. This gave me a great view of the engines as well. I used to get a thrill observing the inboard engine's thrust reversers deployed inflight ------a VERY effective way to loose altitude and slow down. Made many a "diving" approach into ATL with those inboards roaring in reverse. I think the last time I was on one was one of DL's (Super 71's) in the summer of '88.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 32):
I used to get a thrill observing the inboard engine's thrust reversers deployed inflight

What?! Can anyone verify this practice?! Last time I heard of this taking place, a Russian bird plummeted out of the sky killing a couple hundred...
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 33):
Last time I heard of this taking place, a Russian bird plummeted out of the sky killing a couple hundred...

You're referring to the flight where captain let his 11-year-old son sit in the pilot's seat and he accidentally pushed the yoke forward disengaging the auto pilot.

Back to the topic, I think that this is a bit irrelevant at this point because the DC-8 is still in commercial service. The last time I checked, UPS was a US-based company. Although we don't usually see DC-8s in the passenger service, they are still around. Too bad we can't say the same about the B707, but I'm not here to start a B vs. McDD war  Smile

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:17 pm

I saw the MGM Grand DC-8-62 at YYZ (Terminal 1) the summer of 1994.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 34):
Too bad we can't say the same about the B707, but I'm not here to start a B vs. McDD war

I don't think you have to worry about that. The reason you don't see more 707's flying around is because Boeing made the mistake of making them time limited. (100,000 hours) The DC-8 has no limitations.(ATI has a couple of DC-8's with well over 100,000 hours airframe time) As long as the DC-8 operators keep up on the maintenance, heavy checks, aging a/c inspections, and engine noise requirements they could technicialy fly the DC-8 forever. I have to give MD credit they did build one hell of a stout aircraft!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:04 pm

How many airlines even had the Dc-8. I know that Delta and United had them but are there any others. I dont think that American Br Continental had any, please correct me if im wrong. but what I know I beleve that United was the last to retire their DC-8 from their fleet.


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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 26):
UPS has quite a few DC-8's actually...not sure of exact numbers but im sure it would be easy to find.

Acording to UPS at http://www.pressroom.ups.com/mediakits/factsheet/0,2305,858,00.html
they currently operate 21 DC8-71's

Also, check Airguideonline here http://www.airguideonline.com/aircr_DC8fleet.htm

it shows the current airlines that own or are leasing DC8's....not too sure how current it is though.
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:05 pm

I flew a UA DC-8 ORD-SAN on 17 March 1990 and then SAN-ORD on the 25th of March 1990.

The last leg of that trip was ORD-LGA on a 757 and it was a pretty stark contrast in a/c. On the DC-8 you could see all of the rivets and the 757 was almost brand new...

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting Jwb20 (Reply 37):
I dont think that American Br Continental had any

American never bought any brand new from the manufacturer, but for a short time, one year or so if not less, American had in its fleet a few DC-8's coming from Trans Carribean way back in the early 70's. But you're right no DC-8 ever flew in the AA livery.

Br: Do you mean Braniff? Braniff I flew DC-8's for a long time back in the 60's and 70's. Braniff II and III never flew any.

Continental never had any. That is correct.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 26):
UPS has quite a few DC-8's actually...not sure of exact numbers but im sure it would be easy to find.

UPS has a total of 47 DC-8-71's and 73's
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:46 pm

Checkraiser, waohhh I'm very impressed by those pictures of this BAX 8, just look how clean (almost new) that cockpit and Aircraft looks.  bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup  for BAX Air Cargo to maintain those 8's so well!!! I flew several times but years back of course with Icelandair's DC8 and it was always a pleasure to ride on those beasts. I remember well when I was a child seeing those Loftleidir or Bahamasair DC8's taking off with a lot of black smoke and a breathtaking sound at ELLX heading for the US in fact it was that Aircraft who made me the nuts for aviation I'm today!!!

BTW I was on this 8 that day (It was a diversion to Cologne due to heavy smog in Luxembourg)


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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:17 pm

Here's all of the airlines that took "NEW" delivery of DC-8's from Douglas,

Air Canada, JAL, Saturn,
Aeromexico, Iberia, Seaboard,
Atlantis, KLM, SAS,
Finnair, NATIONAL, Swissair,
Alitalia, Northwest, Trans Caribean,
Braniff, ONA, Air New Zealand,
Air Congo, Pan-Am, Trans International,
Capitol, PanAir do Brasil, United,
CP Air, Pam-Am Grace, UTA,
Delta, Air Zaire, Universal,
Eastern, Philippine Air, Viasa,
Tigers, Airlift, World,
Garuda, Air Afrique, American Flyers,
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Jwb20 (Reply 37):
but what I know I beleve that United was the last to retire their DC-8 from their fleet.

I'm pretty sure UA was the last original DC-8 operator to retire the type from passenger service. I know for a fact AC was the last original DC-8 operator to retire the 8s in late 1993 early '94, but AC's last decade as a DC-8 operator was purely as freighters.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:06 am

Off-topic, I heard that Lufthansa used the DC8 as a Cargo plane, is that true? When?

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Luxair (Reply 45):
I heard that Lufthansa used the DC8 as a Cargo plane, is that true? When?

There was a pic in Flight International-- offhand guess the 1960s. Don't recall who they were leasing it from. It was in LH paint, tho.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 8):
those DC-8s are huge.

yep, longer than the 753. The 753 was the longest twin jet single aisle ever built, but the DC8 was the longest single aisle period.

If I recall correctly, DL had 259 seats in their -71s, largest in their fleet at the time, except for the L1011-1s, which sat 302. May be pretty close to their current capacity on the 764s (2 class) and 777s (which are larger, but 3 class)

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 32):
The majority of EA's original fleet of (short-fuselage) DC-8's were gone by the end of 1973. The "Super 63's" went between 1972-1974. Surprisingly, some of the "Super 61's" were not sold off untill 1980, but they had been out on lease and had not been seen in EA colors for years.

An odd business decision...selling off airplanes that were only a few years old at the time...Col Frank Borman's perhaps? Of course, hindsight 20/20, but if they had kept the -61s/63s and gone for the reengine mod when the time came, instead of buying so many TriStars, would they have lasted longer?

Food for thought.

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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 13):
recent scan of AMC charters shows them used in the south pacific in a PAX/cargo config. No idea what the service is like...

There are quite a few photos of the passenger compartment of ATI's combi DC8s at: http://www.airtransport.cc/BlueTails/BT_FrameSet.htm If you go back to the home page, you can also look at fleet information, which includes some PDFs of load planning charts, config, etc.
 
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RE: Last U.S. Airlines To Fly The DC-8?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 48):
There are quite a few photos of the passenger compartment of ATI's combi DC8s at: http://www.airtransport.cc/BlueTails/BT_FrameSet.htm If you go back to the home page, you can also look at fleet information, which includes some PDFs of load planning charts, config, etc.

Thanks. Looks like a very pleasent service, complete with the AMC seat covers also seen on TZ (and perhaps other charters). I'd somehow imagined something more like this, although probably a bit cleaner:


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