mattnrsa
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Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:22 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11127871/

Makes you remember how much trouble UA was in, especially given the difficult environment in which UA had to restructure. SARS, the recent events of 9/11, the start of the Iraq war, the dramatic rise in oil prices, and yet no strikes or litigation, with two rounds of consensual givebacks, consensual agreement with the PBGC, and negotiated pension replacement plans for all groups.

While challenges remain that affect the whole industry, we are competitive with our peers and have advantages others don't, including a great route structure, strong brand recognition and loyalty, and margin improvements outpacing the US industry average.
 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:21 am

What is this? Press release day for the Airlines?

Seriously, I have been a big a defender as anyone from the rabid union-junkies of Tilton. But this is really him tooting his own horn. He wants to pretend that UA ditching it's pension was agreed to by all parties? He seriously wants you to think that UA would have considered liquidation? It sounds much more like he wants to justify the bonuses that his staff has received.

UA is going to be judged on one thing, which is their ability to compete with the rest of the market in high fuel cost economies. As long as UA is flying older (less fuel efficent), bigger (more wasteful seats), dirtier (have you flown on FL or F9 lately) planes then their competition they are at a huge disadvantage.
 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 1):
UA is flying older (less fuel efficent),

With its large fleet of 777s and Airbuses, UA's fleet is relatively young compared to other US majors. In 2000-2001, UA retired DC-10s, 747-100/200s, 737-200s, and 727s. UA was fortunate to have done some fleet refreshing and upgrading in the 90s before the downturn, and doesn't have the huge need other airlines (i.e. NW) have to upgrade their fleet.

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 1):
bigger (more wasteful seats),

UA's load factors continue to set company records, and are generally only beat by NW.
 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 1):
It sounds much more like he wants to justify the bonuses that his staff has received.

I agree 100%, If you didn't say it I would have. He wants to give a fresh list of HIS accomplishments.

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 1):
As long as UA is flying older (less fuel efficent), bigger (more wasteful seats), dirtier

Less fuel efficient? What plane is less fuel efficient? Well I guess their 747's are compared to F9's A318's
 Yeah sure
More wasteful seats? What is a wasteful seat? I don't get your terminology.
 
HunUtazo
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:51 am

...it was conditional biggrin 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 1):
He seriously wants you to think that UA would have considered liquidation?

In the absense of pension reform, liquidation probably would have been inevitable.
 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 3):
Well I guess their 747's are compared to F9's A318's

Oh. Gosh. So how come Frontier's A318 trip costs are lower than the A319?

cheers

mariner
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 1):
As long as UA is flying older (less fuel efficent), bigger (more wasteful seats), dirtier (have you flown on FL or F9 lately) planes then their competition they are at a huge disadvantage.

airfrnt,
what are you smoking?????i guess FL and F9 are the bench mark on when it comes to who has the dirtier planes...have you ever flown dl or aa????dont make me throw in the beloved nwa....those fuel efficient dc9s run circles around those busses when it comes to trip costs... Smile try comparing united to something else you actually know about next time
bus driver.......move that bus:)
 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 3):
Well I guess their 747's are compared to F9's A318's

Oh. Gosh. So how come Frontier's A318 trip costs are lower than the A319?

What does your comment have to do with a UAL 747 vs a F9 A318?
 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 8):
What does your comment have to do with a UAL 747 vs a F9 A318?

Why would you compare a United 747 to a Frontier 318?

cheers

mariner
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IceTitan447
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 1):
UA is going to be judged on one thing, which is their ability to compete with the rest of the market in high fuel cost economies. As long as UA is flying older (less fuel efficient),



Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):
Why would you compare a United 747 to a Frontier 318?

I know you bleed F9 blood, so that may have been a bad airline to use as an example. I see that now, I could have used ANY airline, and I should have remembered you were always lurking, waiting to pounce. Smile

"Compete with the rest of the market". Sorry to use F9 as an example. I was using the fact UAL has a pretty new fleet, maybe 11 years old I believe?

You cant compare a fleet of UAL widebodies to the rest of the industry, nor can you compare UAL's relatively new narrow body fleet(airbuses) to others. Their 737's are getting up their, but so are AA's Md-80's, NWA's DC-9's and so on. So to say less fuel efficient fleet makes no sense. I used a whatever face  Yeah sure I am sorry for the trouble I caused you.
 
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 10):
"Compete with the rest of the market". Sorry to use F9 as an example.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I made no comment about the rest of the market or about anyone competing in it.

I am totally lost as to why you would compare a United 747 to a A318 - or A319 - from any airline, whether it be Frontier or not.

So I am completely confused by this statement:

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 10):
I know you bleed F9 blood, so that may have been a bad airline to use as an example. I see that now, I could have used ANY airline, and I should have remembered you were always lurking, waiting to pounce.

If you had compared a United 747 to a Midwest 717, I would have been equally puzzled.

cheers

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IceTitan447
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RE: Interesting UA Article/Tilton Interview

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 11):
If you had compared a United 747 to a Midwest 717, I would have been equally puzzled.

We'll just move on. I am sorry to have used the airline code F9 in my post. IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN!

Anyways

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