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flybynight
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How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:47 am

I read that Boeing might shut down the production of the C17 after the 180 US military production has ended.
I wonder if a cargo or maybe even a passenger version makes any sense (probably cargo version more than a passenger version).
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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I read that Boeing might shut down the production of the C17 after the 180 US military production has ended.
I wonder if a cargo or maybe even a passenger version makes any sense (probably cargo version more than a passenger version).

there are still to many IL76 arround that you can charter for cheap... so I personally do not see any chance for a cargo version of the C17

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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:54 am

Never thought about the possibility of one of those beasts going into the civilian sector. I doubt any cargo airline out there (UPS, FedEx, etc, etc) would go to a 17 in my opinion, only because they already have the aircraft that will carry more cargo farther (MD-11, DC-10, 747, DC-8). The C-17's big selling point is it's STOL capabilities, which I doubt FedEx is going to need anytime soon. (Have you seen the number of C208's running around with FedEx paint jobs? LOL)
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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:00 am




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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:06 am

All I can say is my dad's company would love the prospect... A very significant portion of his division's business is due to the C17, and he is afraid of what will happen if C17 production is shuttered.

On the brighter side, it did make him think twice about shelling out $80,000 for a country club membership, so...

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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:14 am

The C-17 will never become attractive to commercial customers based on its very excessive cost. With a price tag over $250 million a cargo airline could get significantly more bang for their buck via existent commercial designs.

As far as oddsize loads, as mentioned in prior post there are very reasonable leases available on Russian types available on the market.

Several years back I took part in an airline presentation in Long Beach. It became very clear that unless Uncle Sam was willing to extensive subsidize the operations of a commercial C-17s, the type really did not have a business case for airlines.
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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:20 am

It's built to haul an all up M1 Abrams in and out of a 5,000 foot field. You don't need a floor and a ramp like that to carry broccoli or DVD players.

Anyway, the time to start thinking about what to do with the C17 outside of military applications was fifteen years ago.

The building is probably, and the tools inside it are for sure owned by Uncle Sam, including what was the largest Drivematic machine in the world at the time. Boeing had no proprietary interest in the program as none of their money was on the line. Boeing's interest in the program was only in milking out every nickel from the order book, and not developing or promoting what they bought down in Long Beach.

Building heavy aircraft is like a lot of other technology and resource dense enterprises-it is far easier to start with a going operation than to build it from the ground up.

It is common in such industries to buy up and idle potentially competitive production facilities, because it raises the bar for any potential entrants in the market. Douglas was on the market, had been offered to Taiwan, and others may have been interested. We see such things in the midwest, as the larger meatpackers buy up and idle productive capacity as a bar to entrance of local folks when they get too big for their britches. One of my clients did this in a specailized metalworking trade.

When the order book runs out and the place is turned into golf condos, the expertise and infrastructure that could support heavy aircraft manufacturing in the area will be long gone.

It's quite clear that the reason they bought Long Beach was to make damned sure that heavy jets were not built anywhere in this country but north of the Columbia River.
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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:05 am

Although the C-17 is a multi use cargo and troop carrier. It's primary mission is a flying hospital.
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RE: How About A Non-military C17

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:30 pm

yep...sign me up. I took a MAC flight from ATL to SEA in the mid 80's fo $5. Food was'nt all that great..but it was a cheap non-stop....
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